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Old 05-31-2014, 06:59 AM   #1
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Back to binging

How I hate my weakness. After about six months of low carb 20-30 carbs daily I have totally lost my commitment. I know what I need to eat or rather not eat. I think I am probably very carb sensitive. Many years of binging and purging, I am pretty sure carbs contributed heavily to that. I am falling back into my old ways and can persuade myself that I need that bread or sweet to make me feel better. Of course long term it makes me feel worse. Lost a stone when following low carb but just over half that is back on.
I can even manage to persuade myself that I need a lot of fruit and veg as I need the nutrients.
Is anyone else on here as sensitive is it just weakness. How do you cope on a day to day basis.
Shouldd I take supplements, my brain always tells me I should get all that from the food I eat!
Any advice greatly appreciated. I need to conquer my inner voice.
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Old 05-31-2014, 08:32 AM   #2
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I totally hear you. I'm VERY carb sensitive, and eating too many veggies can send me into a tail spin of cravings and binging. I think the key for me is to eat almost primarily meat, and make sure to limit vegetables. The hardest part is accepting that my body isn't like so many others. That I can't just eat "normally" or even normal lc and that vlc is the only way for me. The more I accept that the easier it is to eat the foods that I know will not harm me and stay away from foods that act like poison in my body.
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Old 05-31-2014, 08:53 AM   #3
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Shouldd I take supplements, my brain always tells me I should get all that from the food I eat!
Any advice greatly appreciated. I need to conquer my inner voice.
I am one that believes we should take supplements. In theory all we need should come from our food, but our food isn't what it used to be. Our soils are depleted and modern fertilizers don't put back the mineral and all the other stuff plants (and down the line meat) are meant to have. Which means we are missing things in our food.

Our bodies can't politely knock and say, "Hey, I'm low on magnesium. Please go get a bottle of liquid and mix it in your coffee." All it can do is make you hungry or give you cravings. I am no expert on binge eating, and there may well be an emotional component to deal with, but I wouldn't underestimate the body's drive to get the nutrition it needs.

There are many books and websites about amino acids and other things to take to help binging. It couldn't hurt.
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Old 05-31-2014, 08:27 PM   #4
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I know, I know, fruit is healthy. But it's also full of sugar. If you lay off the fruit, and to some extent the veg, you won't have cravings as bad. Everyone is different, but if you can get into ketosis you'll feel better and won't crave carbs. Otherwise it's really hard to tough it out.
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Old 05-31-2014, 11:01 PM   #5
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Thank you for your thoughts! I really don't know of anyone personally who seems to react like I do to carbs, so it's great to be able to discuss it with those who have the same response. I need to accept that they do affect me in an unhelpful way. KetoMama I think I do need to do what you suggest and try to get into ketosis. I know this is pathetic and sounds like an excuse but my family think I am wrong and unhealthy eating like this, that does make it a bit harder. Also eating out is so uncomfortable, I draw attention/comments when eating (keto) and I just want to be left to get on with it. I attend meetings with sandwiches for lunch or go out to visit and if I don't eat enough I go off the rails and binge. Also two family weddings coming up with lots of public socialising, how do others cope in those situations?
So rather than that or draw attention I just eat what's there quietly and "fit in"! I know I should rise above what they think and be my own person, not caring what others think. I will look into supplements GME, I took magnesium before. Need to get my head to accept that fruit veg in large amounts are not obligatory RyeBaby. I hate the uncontrolled way of eating carbs trigger and have got to try and accept keto is the way forward to a sane satisfying life. Started again yesterday so that's progress.
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Old 06-01-2014, 05:34 AM   #6
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.. Also eating out is so uncomfortable, I draw attention/comments when eating (keto) and I just want to be left to get on with it. I attend meetings with sandwiches for lunch or go out to visit and if I don't eat enough I go off the rails and binge. Also two family weddings coming up with lots of public socialising, how do others cope in those situations?

So rather than that or draw attention I just eat what's there quietly and "fit in"! I know I should rise above what they think and be my own person, not caring what others think. ...

I hate the uncontrolled way of eating carbs trigger and have got to try and accept keto is the way forward to a sane satisfying life. Started again yesterday so that's progress.
Lots of good responses, but let me point out something key. In ketosis, you won't have that urge to go off the rails. Your natural appetite is suppressed. IF YOU ARE IN KETOSIS WHEN GOING TO THESE EVENTS, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO NOT EAT OR BE VERY SELECTIVE ABOUT WHAT YOU DO EAT. It's easier to resist that: "just one bite".

Some examples:

Work meetings - can eat the sandwich fillings and/or go for a walk the way some people smoke. If you're busy talking, I don't think people pay that much attention to your plate. If you were to open the sandwich, remove the fillings and casually make a salad, I doubt anyone would even notice, except maybe to say: "good idea".

At weddings, have some salad and maybe some meat - not really that much different than you would if you were doing any other type of dieting.

As Epiticus wrote: "Eat as becomes you and be silent"

Bottom line when in ketosis, I find that I'm much stronger and it's easier to say: no thanks.
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Old 06-01-2014, 08:24 AM   #7
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Thank you for your thoughts! I really don't know of anyone personally who seems to react like I do to carbs, so it's great to be able to discuss it with those who have the same response. I need to accept that they do affect me in an unhelpful way. KetoMama I think I do need to do what you suggest and try to get into ketosis. I know this is pathetic and sounds like an excuse but my family think I am wrong and unhealthy eating like this, that does make it a bit harder. Also eating out is so uncomfortable, I draw attention/comments when eating (keto) and I just want to be left to get on with it. I attend meetings with sandwiches for lunch or go out to visit and if I don't eat enough I go off the rails and binge. Also two family weddings coming up with lots of public socialising, how do others cope in those situations?
So rather than that or draw attention I just eat what's there quietly and "fit in"! I know I should rise above what they think and be my own person, not caring what others think. I will look into supplements GME, I took magnesium before. Need to get my head to accept that fruit veg in large amounts are not obligatory RyeBaby. I hate the uncontrolled way of eating carbs trigger and have got to try and accept keto is the way forward to a sane satisfying life. Started again yesterday so that's progress.
I totally get where you're coming from with all this. When I first started drastically reducing carbohydrates and pretty much stopped eating vegetables as a lifestyle and not as a quick fix diet, I was 19 years old and living at home. My parents were totally freaked out. They couldn't believe that I wasn't eating vegetables and basically tried to force me. I realized that I needed to educate them. I was reading all this great information, but I was only sharing my conclusion with them, not all the premises that were getting me to that conclusion.

I shared with them Good Calories, Bad Calories, The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living, and various online articles. Once they understood the science behind it, they not only stopped fighting me, but actually encouraged me.

If your family is willing to be educated then share the information with them. If they don't even want to learn why you are eating this way then I think it's perfectly acceptable to politely tell them that they cannot comment on what you eat or discourage you if they aren't willing to learn the why behind what you are doing.

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Thank you for your thoughts! I really don't know of anyone personally who seems to react like I do to carbs, so it's great to be able to discuss it with those who have the same response. I need to accept that they do affect me in an unhelpful way. KetoMama I think I do need to do what you suggest and try to get into ketosis. I know this is pathetic and sounds like an excuse but my family think I am wrong and unhealthy eating like this, that does make it a bit harder. Also eating out is so uncomfortable, I draw attention/comments when eating (keto) and I just want to be left to get on with it. I attend meetings with sandwiches for lunch or go out to visit and if I don't eat enough I go off the rails and binge. Also two family weddings coming up with lots of public socialising, how do others cope in those situations?
So rather than that or draw attention I just eat what's there quietly and "fit in"! I know I should rise above what they think and be my own person, not caring what others think. I will look into supplements GME, I took magnesium before. Need to get my head to accept that fruit veg in large amounts are not obligatory RyeBaby. I hate the uncontrolled way of eating carbs trigger and have got to try and accept keto is the way forward to a sane satisfying life. Started again yesterday so that's progress.

I just tell people that I don't eat that stuff and walk away. It is your body and you have a right to eat how ever makes you feel well. Don't let people pressure you into eating the things that you know are not good for you. They are not going to change their eating habits for you, so why should you do so for them.
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Old 06-01-2014, 09:46 AM   #9
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In principle I agree with Carolyn, but I find some situations more difficult to handle than others. Getting into ketosis will be your first line of defense, followed by never going to events hungry. You could have a number of "lines" available for when just walking away doesn't seem politic. I sometimes say, I am sorry I just ate and am not hungry right now. Or simply I am not hungry now. Or not not, maybe later. I've been known to tell white lies too. I forgive myself if they give me some protection.

Under the addictions board, there is a food addicts thread and a binging thread (if I recall correctly). I post on the no drinking thread, which I find useful as a regular check in. May be some of those other threads would be useful to you.

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Old 06-02-2014, 07:24 AM   #10
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I agree with what many others said. While in ketosis you shouldnt have a huge urge to binge, carb or noncarb. I used to binge as well - eating whole pizzas, 4-5 burgers (remember hitting mcdonalds+BK just to separate the items bought) but i dont do that anymore. Do i still have the urge once in a while for some food i missed? I would be lying if i said ABSOLUTELY NOT but i control it by eating more meat as a substitute. I figure at least it wont break my keto if i eat a sausage patty with eggs than pizza.

I was never addicted to fruits but i certainly had a soft spot for korean pears and the berries so coming off of it (been 4 months since i had a single fruit) wasn't too bad....

I think another added motivation to resist is to look at your weight - if you see the decreasing trend and get on the scale and then think about what you are about to do maybe that will pull you back?

I am also one to admit i have tried many different types of diets prior - medifast, weight watchers, needles with some nutrient, la diet, nutrisystem, tuna/beets/soup and none i did i remained as long as Keto. The main difference i see is A. I LOVE THE FOOD CHOICES, it is restrictive but not to the extent i frown upon seeing the food i eat- i am actually looking forward to eating my meals and enjoying cooking them. B. it is more of a lifestyle change and i dont feel "pressured" into making it. I can totally see myself not eating much carbs at all, maybe i will sneak in an occasional desert whatnot if i am in maintain mode but i dont think i ever go back to eating a ton of carbs...
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I think it's important to make a distinction here lest we mislead people.

Many overweight people have suffered from compulsive overeating that's usually stimulated by the insulin surge in consuming carbs--pizza, cake, etc. That type of overeating is usually resolved with a low carb WOE that diminishes insulin levels and keeps them fairly constant. This might be termed 'physiological binge eating.'

However, there are many binge eaters whose disordered eating is classified as a true ED, and in that case, the binge behavior is part of a mental disorder, just as anorexia. No specific WOE will 'cure' it, and, in fact, any form of dietary restriction is discouraged (dieting) because it typically stimulates binge behavior.
This is 'psychological binge eating.'

The latter is extremely complex, and the book Brain Over Binge recounts one woman's successful recovery. It has been very helpful to many people whose ED involves binge eating.
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Old 06-02-2014, 10:48 AM   #12
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In principle I agree with Carolyn, but I find some situations more difficult to handle than others. Getting into ketosis will be your first line of defense, followed by never going to events hungry. You could have a number of "lines" available for when just walking away doesn't seem politic. I sometimes say, I am sorry I just ate and am not hungry right now. Or simply I am not hungry now. Or not not, maybe later. I've been known to tell white lies too. I forgive myself if they give me some protection.

Under the addictions board, there is a food addicts thread and a binging thread (if I recall correctly). I post on the no drinking thread, which I find useful as a regular check in. May be some of those other threads would be useful to you.
I agree, Patience. This WOE is actually not that strange, if you think about it: you choose meat or fish or anything else, and certain fatty foods. What if you had celiac disease? What if you were lactose intolerant or diabetic? When in social situations where you don't know people well, you can always say "no I can't eat that" or "no I don't eat that." I don't understand how people can be so weird about what I eat. I'm not a child and frankly I don't need anyone's advice (current company excluded ). I know certain family and social situations can be full of pressure, but tell yourself that you are taking charge and don't give yourself the leeway to make excuses. Plan ahead, and if you will be eating out and menu doesn't suit you, eat before you go, or pack things you can eat-there are plenty.

And do read through the board. There is so much information here, and so many helpful threads and people.
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:40 PM   #13
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I have a binge problem too and I find it hard to get back on track after a binge.The longer the binge,the longer it takes to completely get on plan.NK hasn't helped completely not even higher fat .But sometimes I have found L-glutamine helps.
Even that ,I have to be consistent in taking otherwise it doesn't help too.I also have felt a good multi taken consistently helps with cravings.

As for motivation I hear you.When I was hugely overweight,I couldn't wait to lose.Now I am in a comfort zone,mostly overweight,and I find my motivation withering.my thinking is just this bite or that won't hurt,but the problem is it never stops with one bite.
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Old 06-03-2014, 12:38 PM   #14
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I am so glad I started this thread it has been helpful in accepting some things and understanding others. I think Leo41 has possibly hit the nail on the head! There is a lot of diabetes in my family and I think my blood sugar out of balance is a major player in my circumstances. There is possibly also an element of ED which is mostly conquered but always waiting quietly in the background for an excuse! What others others think/say is maybe just an excuse to go off plan, I am very good at excuses. No question the more I eat carbs the harder it is to stop.
Really appreciate all the input and wish you well in your own personal journey!
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