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Old 05-12-2014, 07:40 AM   #1
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We need a better word...

I hate the term "cheat" and don't think "eating off plan" is much better. I think for the majority of us, there will be times when we eat or drink something that is not part of eating a ketogenic diet.

For me personally, calling it a "cheat" is so negative, instead of intentionally eating something and knowing there could be consequences. As has been said many times......you can't really cheat yourself. I'm an adult and take full responsibility for what food I put in my body.

So what else can we call it?
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Old 05-12-2014, 08:13 AM   #2
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Alternative day/night/time/meal? Only thing I could think of.

For me I would call it a cheat though if I gave in because of the environment in the moment rather than it being planned. If it is a part of the plan though it doesn't matter what it is I'm having, it's a part of a plan and not a cheat. I do not feel bad about it as long as it's a part of a plan that works, why should I then?

But yes up until very recently I did call it cheating and it's amazing how that one word can have negative effects on you and bring you down.

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Old 05-12-2014, 09:12 AM   #3
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I learned at some point to call it "treating" myself, but do not feel comfortable doing it at this point in this WOE because my body has been a little finicky.
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Old 05-12-2014, 09:15 AM   #4
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I am glad I waited 5 months. I think it might have made me fall off the wagon if I had done it right away in the first month.

"Wheat and sugar night" once a month. A part of my plan now
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How about Indulgement Day?
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How about Indulgement Day?
That sounds about right. An indulgence.
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Old 05-12-2014, 12:08 PM   #7
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Old 05-12-2014, 12:22 PM   #9
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I think Indulgement is good. Not sure I want to add Day to it. Maybe just....I had an Indulgement today. Or I had an Indulgement Meal. Yeah, I like it. I'm going to try it out for awhile and see how it feels.

Thanks for all the great ideas. And a thump on the head to you Shaselai....brain fart
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I like indulgence. I haven't had one yet. I do plan on having a piece of low carb cheesecake from The Cheesecake Factory for my birthday on Friday. I consider it an indulgence since it is more carbs than I usually consume all day and I avoid artificial sweeteners like the plague, but I'm going to go ahead and indulge for my birthday.
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I agree - you're not cheating anyone. Food is a decision, not a game.

I personally like "off plan" - because it suggests that it's not on your regular menu. Off plan can be intentional. It also keeps the word "plan" in the forefront.

That said, people have planned off-plan days, so it's a bit of a contradiction, but at least the term suggests plan and control.

Or no....
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I like indulgence. I haven't had one yet. I do plan on having a piece of low carb cheesecake from The Cheesecake Factory for my birthday on Friday. I consider it an indulgence since it is more carbs than I usually consume all day and I avoid artificial sweeteners like the plague, but I'm going to go ahead and indulge for my birthday.
Indulgence, thank you. I knew I was spelling it wrong and was too lazy to look it up. My IPad was kind enough to shame me for the incorrect spelling, but hadn't a clue about what I was trying to spell.
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Old 05-12-2014, 02:49 PM   #13
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I agree - you're not cheating anyone. Food is a decision, not a game.

I personally like "off plan" - because it suggests that it's not on your regular menu. Off plan can be intentional. It also keeps the word "plan" in the forefront.

That said, people have planned off-plan days, so it's a bit of a contradiction, but at least the term suggests plan and control.

Or no....
I use off plan too, for similar reasons, but indulgence is okay. I don't use cheat either. It's not a cheat, I'm not cheating. I'm thinking about it ahead of time, acknowledging possible repercussions, limiting the fallout, and deciding accordingly.

I plan my very rare off plan indulgences, and they're also limited to a one serving. I allow myself up to three "indulgences," or off plan servings per year. I don't even always eat my three, because I so often decide it's not worth it, but when I do, I have no regrets.
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Old 05-12-2014, 03:20 PM   #14
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recently my "indulgence" is a salad bowl from chipotle.... lettuce, half carnitas half steak, sour cream, more lettuce, cheese and guac.... ~600 calories and totally yum! this is my go to "indulgence" after 4-5hour hike.
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Old 05-12-2014, 04:41 PM   #15
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I like carb night or simply, planned carb food.
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carb night - that sounds good....
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I'm still skeptical about the idea of carb night and you gaining from doing that weekly. I'm at least not thinking that far right now.
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Carb night does not sound good or applicable to me. To each her own.
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I have never used the word cheat. It is negative and suggests one should feel bad and guilty about what one ate.

As used regarding one's diet it is not a cheat, IMO, but a decision. Call it an indulgence.

When one decides to indulge one should enjoy guilt-free.
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Carb night does not sound good or applicable to me. To each her own.
I'm with you.

I indulge at times but I have no interest in carb nights. There are other ways to indulge.
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I agree - you're not cheating anyone. Food is a decision, not a game.

I personally like "off plan" - because it suggests that it's not on your regular menu. Off plan can be intentional. It also keeps the word "plan" in the forefront.

That said, people have planned off-plan days, so it's a bit of a contradiction, but at least the term suggests plan and control.

Or no....
Yes, but... to me "off-plan" suggests that one is following a diet plan rather than making it a lifestyle.

Just having a treat or indulgence makes more sense to me - even if it is planned. That is more along the lines of what seems normal to me. I don't think it should be a huge big deal. It is just a food choice.

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Dana Carpender distinguished between a "cheat" and a "planned indulgence". A cheat is harmful. It's going Astray due to failure to plan, and usually it means going way off plan without a thought to how to do it carefully so you can control the damage.

A planned indulgence is planned for, anticipated, and you are not going to derail your progress. I try to have planned indulgences.

I eat heartily from good low carb fare, enjoy my "indulgence" and I'm right back on plan the very next meal. I don't save calories or starve myself before or after. I "heal" the damage by eating extra fat to satisfy any cravings the indulgence may trigger. And often my careful indulgence pays off with an unexpected whoosh
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Boy, I hope I get that. I went on an unplanned cheat last night, and while I was still low-carb, it wasn't ketosis-friendly. :/ I've felt miserable and bloated all day today as a result.
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I like Feast (meal/day) for a planned indulgence, and Fast day for an intentional lower cal/fat day, also known as intermittent fasting.

If it's unplanned, for me it would be a slip-up.
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I like Feast Day. That sounds joyous. And shouldn't this choice be joyous? I don't want to feel guilty/miserable if I've made that choice.

In fact, what about Choice Day? All of this we are doing is about choices at the core of it all yes?
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I have never used the word cheat. It is negative and suggests one should feel bad and guilty about what one ate.

As used regarding one's diet it is not a cheat, IMO, but a decision. Call it an indulgence.

When one decides to indulge one should enjoy guilt-free.
I couldn't agree more. You can't possibly cheat: your body will know!!

I think of it as an off plan event. I would not think of it in terms of "a day". That give my body too much leeway and it would know...

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