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Old 03-13-2014, 04:38 PM   #61
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much of the saturated fat in coconut oil is lauric acid.
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Old 03-14-2014, 04:05 AM   #62
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Cathy, I'm so glad you asked this question. What a great thread.

I have experimented with keeping foodstuffs the same, protein and carb levels constant, and testing what happens if I eat more butter or beef fat drippings.

For example, going along rather constantly for a few days at ca. 60-65g PRO and 25g CHO, I do well at 110-130g FAT, if I stick to the primary foods in my food plan. No trigger foods. If I up the fat to even 140-150, using butter or beef dripping fat, something switches in my brain and metabolism. I feel off, go into weight-gaining mode, triggered appetite, thinking of eating things not in my primary food group, etc. (Using hwc is worse. But my tests with hwc have been with ultra-pasteurized commercial hwc, containing carrageenan. Raw hwc might be different.) Upping the fat grams to Dr. Kwasniewski's 3 or 3.5 times the grams of protein dramatically exacerbates that unpleasant direction of weight-gain, feeling unwell, and triggering appetite for foods not in my primary food list. I just do better at about 1.5 - 2 FAT grams per gram of PRO, keeping carbs under 30.

Keeping the black tea intake restricted is vital for me, too.

For me, it is not only how much of each of P, F, and C, but very much what kind of protein, what kind of fat, what kind of carb.

Also, if I eat ca. 12 g PRO at a time and one Tablespoon of butter or CLO, that seems to keep my brain feeling smooth, clear and cheery, and, the small amounts of meat don't trigger that insulin surge near or at the end of the meal, or thereafter. Four tiny meals, lots of fat in the morning, and my gelatin-and-yoghurt snacks in between, seem to be a good food timing for me.

Thank you for a very helpful thread!

I find what Jem51 posted about the Critical Fat Level to be true.
Good to see you AuntieEm and love that you can share so clearly what works for you.

For some people it is a moving target so to speak and this adds an element of challenge. But if a person knows that a certain amount of macro has an effect that is undesireable- that is ideal.

As for a 'critical fat level' is concerned, it is the one of the macro nutrients that can be adjusted in order to achieve fat loss according the Phinney and Volek. If carbs and protein are at the proper amounts and weight loss is not happening, then fat needs to be adjusted down.

The problem is that even with that adjustment, it still doesn't work for some. It then becomes about calorie counting. I rail against this method but am always aware of the # and tend towards the low end (1100) and if lowering fat further is the key, I can't do it.

I think that a lot of people who have not had the extreme difficulty with weight loss appear to think certain things that seem obvious and think those that are challenged just don't get it. This is not the case. Those that have been on the end of difficult weight loss have thought of it all and have done a lot of research and different approaches such as lowering fat and all the other fiddling with macros. It just doesn't work and to have someone tell someone else (or to imply it) is just plain maddening. It is obvious. Please give some credit and also understand that no one wants to be in an endless weight loss stall. Those that hang around here for year after year are often those that are still trying to find the solution and it is not as simple as some people imply.

In the meantime, losing very slowly or maintaining losses is a win and learning about the physiology is a win. I only wish that those that have not had this struggle would give the credit due to those in this situation.
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Old 03-14-2014, 06:04 AM   #63
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Good to see you AuntieEm and love that you can share so clearly what works for you.

For some people it is a moving target so to speak and this adds an element of challenge. But if a person knows that a certain amount of macro has an effect that is undesireable- that is ideal.

As for a 'critical fat level' is concerned, it is the one of the macro nutrients that can be adjusted in order to achieve fat loss according the Phinney and Volek. If carbs and protein are at the proper amounts and weight loss is not happening, then fat needs to be adjusted down.

The problem is that even with that adjustment, it still doesn't work for some. It then becomes about calorie counting. I rail against this method but am always aware of the # and tend towards the low end (1100) and if lowering fat further is the key, I can't do it.

I think that a lot of people who have not had the extreme difficulty with weight loss appear to think certain things that seem obvious and think those that are challenged just don't get it. This is not the case. Those that have been on the end of difficult weight loss have thought of it all and have done a lot of research and different approaches such as lowering fat and all the other fiddling with macros. It just doesn't work and to have someone tell someone else (or to imply it) is just plain maddening. It is obvious. Please give some credit and also understand that no one wants to be in an endless weight loss stall. Those that hang around here for year after year are often those that are still trying to find the solution and it is not as simple as some people imply.

In the meantime, losing very slowly or maintaining losses is a win and learning about the physiology is a win. I only wish that those that have not had this struggle would give the credit due to those in this situation.




I, too, am "happy" with the maintaining thing, I think.


As we search and reach out for some hope and information, it gets discouraging to hear the same things each time we put our struggles out there for the world to dissect.

As determined as we are, it is maddening to be stalled for YEARS!

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Cathy, thanks for your kind words.

The puzzle to find what works and what doesn't, is an ever-changing puzzle for me. Getting older, allergies, new stresses, and surprise reactions to foods. I can only do the 1100-ish kCals for a short time, and live more often at that uneasy compromise which Jem51 wrote about, eating more for happy brain function, but not being as sleek as my vanity would prefer. I do the strict, eat-less version of my food plan in the summer, and find it works well with sunshine, being outdoors, and the "happifying" effects of sunny living. But the colder months are more challenging.

I find that I have to keep making cleaner food choices, only have indulgences which are in the primary food list, be line-in-the-sand diligent about exercise, rest, meditation/prayer, sunshine, food plan, and avoiding stress factors which I have found disrupt my metabolism. If one of those factors "falls through the cracks", it can take a good while for me to get back on an even keel.

I look forward to the next posts in this thread.
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