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Old 01-01-2014, 01:29 PM   #1
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IF for pre-menopausal women

So question for you. I have been doing this a short time, only a week. But my appetite is nothing (love it as this is totally unusual for me). I literally had to force myself to eat around 3 because I did exercise today. My question- are there any women around my age (45ish) that have had success with IF (intermittent fasting)? I have read that it may not be the best for pre-menopausal women and don't want to do it if it's going to screw me up. If I'm not hungry and it's not going to mess me up if I don't eat, I would rather not!
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:10 PM   #2
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Right now, I do IF a few days a week and a modified fat-only IF (bulletproof coffee only) on most other days until 1 or 2pm. I've heard that too much straight up IF can be too stressful for women and mess with hormones.
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:15 AM   #3
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Green, how does it mess with hormones? I'm experiencing some weird stuff hormonally, and it started around the same time that I started IF. It never would have occurred to me that it might be related....
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I'm not totally sure but I've read that it involves stress on the body. You may want to google it and see.
I think mark's daily apple did a post on women on IF.
What sort of weird stuff?
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To answer the original question, it depends on what your goals are. Some people use I.F. for things other than weight loss and if it is weight loss, it is entirely individual. Try it and see.

Messing with hormones is referring to those stress hormones like cortisol. The theory is that it can cause too much stress on the adrenal gland and get a 'fatigued adrenal' which can be a problem. I think the information is theory and has more to do with a combination of things but I.F. in combination with high intensity aerobics seem to be what is being identified as the culprits.
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Thanks for that info Cathy. Yeah it all seemed like theory from what i read.
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Thanks for that info Cathy. Yeah it all seemed like theory from what i read.
Yes and it really depends on who you ask.
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[QUOTE=clackley;16738286Messing with hormones is referring to those stress hormones like cortisol....I.F. in combination with high intensity aerobics seem to be what is being identified as the culprits.[/QUOTE]

Well, no worries then...I avoid high-intensity aerobics. I never did like doing them, and once I learned that weight training has more benefit in conjunction with a low-carb diet, I dropped them. Mostly I walk for exercise, for fun and stress relief.

The weird hormonal stuff I've been experiencing could very well be the start of menopause. After 7 years of dealing with a slowly intensifying emotional roller-coaster, I'm ready to be done, but the fun isn't over yet!
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I'm still on the fence about IF.

From my personal experience, it didn't exactly lead to weight loss. However, it was nice to eliminate breakfast and sometimes lunch, because that leaves you with a very even, stable blood sugar (for me) and a steady flow of energy throughout the day.

I would seriously test the IF out on yourself, and then draw conclusions. In the blogosphere, esp. the paleosphere, it is trendy to argue that low carb diets and IF are bad for women. From an evolutionary perspective, these non-specialist paleo-bloggers like to say that b/c women are "the gatherers", they probably often snacked on carbs like fruit and tubers and ate small meals throughout the day.

This may or may not have been true. There is no evidence for or against whether the female diet was drastically different in macronutrients than the male diet. For instance, I could present the counterargument that women actually spent a good amount of time catching fish, and one of the most important fishes was the eel - which was very fatty.

My point is: don't trust the paleosphere bloggers for your information. They all latch onto the same trendy ideas and reblog and reblog them.

You will be more successful if you close your eyes and contemplate the best way for you to eat. Ask yourself, When do I feel the best? If you feel good with IF at the moment, then you should continue. But our bodies are not static, they are constantly in motion, changing. So, there may be a time where you feel that you should eat instead of IFing.

At the moment, I feel really good if I do some sort of physical activity before my first meal.
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Old 01-03-2014, 05:59 AM   #10
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Really agree with Unna. Particularly the issue of changing bodies. It is a moving target and that needs to be considered always.
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I prefer IF as a lifestyle-- it's best I find if I eat a main meal midday and don't eat late (avoids heartburn/indigestion) anyway. But I can't push this main meal to 6 or 7 at night.

I'm happier to have to prepare only one meal a day.

When this doesn't work for me is midcycle and during pms... I seem to need more food more often then to keep my blood sugar and mood stable, and cope with hunger and cravings (which I don't have at other times).

What screws me up mentally anyway is to fight the cravings and hunger and try to stick to my "normal" food schedule, when my body is so different at midcycle and during pms.
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I'm in menopause. 52 with a hysterectomy. Just started low carb with IF a week ago so will be following this thread too. Love learning from you all.
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Old 01-10-2014, 05:14 PM   #13
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As a follow-up, I finally got more precision xtra strips, so I've been tracking my blood ketones this week. I started out at 0.8 ketones Monday and they've risen steadily every day, up to a late-morning reading of 1.6 today. That's more than I usually get with a straightforward LCHF diet. I'm also finding my hunger is significantly reduced and so is my food intake as a result.
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Old 01-12-2014, 08:24 AM   #14
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That makes total sense MaryKate! I don't know why I don't i.f. daily. It really is great on so many levels.
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I IF daily at the moment, but modified. I drink two BPC's during the day (for what you'd call breakfast and lunch) and then break my modified fast with one meal at dinnertime.

I do this because it's easy, I feel clearheaded when I fast and I want to see the scale move down. I also read a lot about fasting being a healing process, and I have a lot of healing from inflammation to do. Hopefully, even though I do a modified fast this will be the case for me.
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I also read a lot about fasting being a healing process
I'm interested in this - do you have any links for the information? How long do you need to fat fast to be effective for healing? I like your idea of having two BPC for breakfast and lunch, but my stomach would rebel with that much coffee.
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Dr Johnsson talks about it in his Up Day Down Day Diet, and there's a BBC Horizon documentary regarding fasting, as well as the 5:2 diet book that was written by the journalist Michael Mosley who made the documentary. Interesting stuff! Also, there's tons of information floating around on the JUDDD board here... Not sure how long you need to fast for it to be effective though. I am at work at the moment, so don't have all the information here. I think I read somewhere that anything more than 16 hours is beneficial.
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Dr Johnsson talks about it in his Up Day Down Day Diet, and there's a BBC Horizon documentary regarding fasting, as well as the 5:2 diet book that was written by the journalist Michael Mosley who made the documentary. Interesting stuff! Also, there's tons of information floating around on the JUDDD board here... Not sure how long you need to fast for it to be effective though. I am at work at the moment, so don't have all the information here. I think I read somewhere that anything more than 16 hours is beneficial.
But here is the million dollar question....'is it the fasting per say or is it actually the carbohydrate restriction? Or is it the carbohydrate and protein restriction?' I have read that bpc do not technically break a fast because they are all fat and don`t cause the reactions that the other macros do. I really hope some good studies are done on this subject.

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I agree, Cathy. Some good studies need to be made regarding this. I am not sure about the science behind this, but there seems to be a lot of anecdotal evidence that supports fasting. Reading on the JUDDD board, it does not necessarily have to be carb restricted for the benefits to be had.

According to Dave Asprey, doing IF with BPC is actually beneficial, especially for women. Something to do with supporting adrenals or such. I am at work, can't look it up, sorry! He wrote a blog post about it. But again, no real research on a larger scale, just anecdotal I think.
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