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Old 11-23-2013, 12:35 AM   #91
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I have be in Ketosis doing LCHF since October 19th. Am a type 2 diabetic was on metformin and BP meds. for the last 3 weeks have been off all my meds. with a fasting BS of around 5.2 -5.6 and BP running around 12879 with out meds. Weight is down 7 lb.
This is great! My father is diabetic 2.

The first dietition that came to visit told him he needed to eat at least 60-80 carbs per meal and 2 snacks with about 20 carbs. My father told his diabetes specialist doctor this, and the doctor literally said "That's stupid. You'll gain tons of weight if you do that. Eat about 30-40 carbs per meal and don't snack".

Then, the second dietition came to the house. She decreased the carbs, but they were still all she could talk about. She was obviously afraid to talk about fat or fatty meat. This then left my mother with the impression that her main focus in cooking all foods should be the "healthy carbs".
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Old 11-23-2013, 12:21 PM   #92
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Green: "itsthewooo" also writes in detail about how eating in an NK style helps her depressive tendencies. Have you read her blog?

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Nice I just checked it out! Some good info on there. Thanks Unna
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Old 11-24-2013, 08:53 PM   #93
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Carolyn: interesting that you've also came to this conclusion! I find this topic is not often discussed on the forum. But, maybe it should be....

I mean, we could be defeating all out low carb efforts by overeating, producing insulin anyway (and storing fat).
So true. Our goal is to eat until satisfied and not more than that. It is so much easier to do this on NK. It is very hard to do on a high carb low fat diet. No eating plan should be all you can stuff yourself.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:07 AM   #94
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Old 11-25-2013, 09:10 AM   #95
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Really great Green. Now the challenge is to stay in ketosis. I find it easybut others seem to find it more challenging.

My challenge is to lose weight....but that is another subject.
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Old 11-25-2013, 02:13 PM   #96
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This then left my mother with the impression that her main focus in cooking all foods should be the "healthy carbs".
Sadly, that's the attitude of the American Diabetes Association as well. They really resist the idea of people giving up eating carbs in order to maintain a healthy blood sugar level. I guess they'd rather push drugs.

My mom is also type II diabetic, and after 10 years of steadily gaining weight, increasing oral medication levels and finally getting onto injectable insulin, with the accompanying occasional blood sugar crash, we discovered the low-carb diet. She lost 65 lbs. and has slowly dropped her insulin (she's now using 1/3 the amount she did before LC). She hasn't had a blood sugar crash in more than a year, which is a relief. It was frightening thing to see her looking like death because her BS was down to 40 at 3 a.m. This WOE is so much better for diabetics!

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Old 11-25-2013, 11:29 PM   #97
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My mother is newly diagnosed type II diabetic... She was told she needs sugar and carbs in certain amounts so she keeps her numbers at a certain level....

Really, most people believe blindly what they are told at the Dr's office: because they are Dr's, you know?
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Old 11-26-2013, 12:30 AM   #98
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I do believe that this way of eating is optimal for Diabetes II.

I directly addressed my Father's dietitician (the first one) about carbohydrate levels when she arrive for a home counseling visit.

She said, "I find that EVERYONE thinks they need to cut carbs when they find out they are diabetic, and this is simply NOT TRUE". Actually, she seemed to think I was one of the "stupid masses" for even asking such a question.

In German, the word diabetes is "Zuckerkrank". If I literally translate this word, it means "Made Sick from Sugar".

So, essentially, this dietition believes that we should continue to feed my father exactly that which made him sick in the first place. She must have skipped her "Fundamentals in Biology" course, where one learns that her "healthy carbohydrate" is in fact a saccharide (sugar) of sorts.

I also found her dismissive attitude of my question very disheartening. But she simply talked to me like she does all her patients, like I was stupid. As I accompanied my father on his doctor's visits, I found that most did this. And my father even tried to do his own research, presenting information to his doctors, and they shot him down immediately.

Apparently, in the medical world, they do not believe it is important for their patients to want to learn anything themselves about their own illnesses. They should just listen to their doctor or nurse like a robot and take their medicine.

Quite frankly, this scares me.

While I don't think that all information on the internet is valuable, I do think it is a wonderful start. It is a place for people to start to learn how to ask and answer their own questions. Most importantly, the internet provides a place for one to learn that there are always competing viewpoints, and that he or she must learn to weigh the pros and cons of each viewpoint to come to a conclusion.

That many medical personnel totally disregard patients when they start talking about something they read on the internet is utterly disgusting. Why not give the patients a book instead? Or give them some websites to read which you feel displays proper information?

Oh wait, because their education never included "reflection and contemplation". Instead, they spent years in school memorizing what people told them to memorize, marking bubbles on a test.

Anyway, my rant is not addressed to everyone in the medical community, really just the ones I met that are dealing with my father.

Quite honestly, I believe my father's medical staff did not want to take the time to explain how insulin therapy really works. It is easier to just keep his levels semi-high all the time.
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Old 11-26-2013, 01:49 AM   #99
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In other news.... last night was my husband's birthday.

I had one beer and 3 shots of some kind of dark Italian liquor (they like to take shots together to celebrate). Anyway, b/c the alcohol was spread over a longer period of time, I wasn't even remotely effected by it (not tipsy).

First, I woke up after only a few hours of sleep with a super fast heart rate and feeling extremely anxious. I felt like my heart was going to leap out of my chest.

Second, after having a bad night of sleep, I found myself super/unnaturally hungry this morning.

I try to "play along" with my German family during special occasions and holidays - as they LOVE their alcohol and sweets, but I notice that I tend to have severe problems later: with alcohol I experience anxiety, increased heart rate, depression, and extreme hunger; with sugary treats, I experience an insatiable appetite that lasts for days - I basically feel like I'm starving, even though I have literally just eaten.

The longer I feel really good on the NK diet, the less I want to engage in all of these "festive" activities.... I never wanted to be the anti-social dieter at the party, but I think I am slowly becoming one. The repercussions never seem to be worth it for me.
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Unna, I'm the anti-social dieter at my German in-laws' parties, LOL!
They try to understand how I eat, but still don't really grasp the whole concept of it.
They are good sports for trying to accomodate me but I never know if they sneak in sugar or flour into their foods by accident (because they don't understand my WOE). I have had a wonderful miracle whip experience once, so now I stick to the basics when I go eat there and make sure I've eaten beforehand.

I will drink a glass of red or white wine (always dry wine) or sekt or champagne, but I don't do the schnapps anymore. They give me killer hangovers anyway, not to mention the hunger.

ETA: the Dutch word for diabetes is 'suikerziekte' which is translated into sugar sickness... Enough said...
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Old 11-26-2013, 02:45 AM   #101
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Based on your stats and goals and assuming you're not exercising a great deal, my ketosis calculator returns the following numbers for weight loss:

Calories: 1380
Fat: 117 grams
Protein: 65 grams
Carbs: 20 grams
Just thought I'd check in. Since the 18th, following the above goals I've dropped 3.25 pounds. I'm at a new low now and have hope my body CAN release these extra pounds. Thank you again for the help!
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Old 11-26-2013, 04:42 AM   #102
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Really great Green. Now the challenge is to stay in ketosis. I find it easybut others seem to find it more challenging.

My challenge is to lose weight....but that is another subject.
Thanks! I wonder how it will be for me. Do you check BK often? I know you were saying on a different thread that you'd like to stop tracking.

I imagine since doing NK for 4 years, you've looked into the issues presented on the long-term stalls thread. Have any of those tweaks seemed to help the weight go down?
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Old 11-26-2013, 05:30 AM   #103
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Ice, congrats!! KUTGW!!!

Green, I was talking about tracking my macro nutrients. I do plenty of other tracking such as weight and ketones but the daily grind of inputting my food into a tracker was getting to me. I am on a break with that.

I test for blood ketones about once or 2x a week. I am always around 1 to 1.5 and very occasionally just below 1 but never out of ketosis.

I have tried most everything. I am losing but just so slowly that it is barely detectable. Seems that my thyroid may be the culprit and I am getting that optimized. Just takes a long time....
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:44 PM   #104
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I was down .75 lbs this morning.....may the loss continue... lol.
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:21 AM   #105
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I was mindlessly searching random keto blogs the other day, there really aren't many, and I ran across a lot of blogs by moms with epileptic children.

A few of the moms were in the process of slowly 'weaning' their children off of keto. It was quite interesting, as these children on the keto diet looked healthy and naturally thin. But each mom noted that their child was really starting to gain weight now that they were able to eat carbs again!

Anyway, just interesting, as it goes against what we are taught about eating a fattening diet.

(btw, I am in no way saying that the children should stay on this diet to stay a healthy weight.... the children should be able to choose what they want to eat. I don't think a child gaining weight is necessarily a bad thing!)
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one more thing:

The doctors prescribe a pretty disgusting keto diet which includes copious amounts of mct oil and ensure w/ artifical sweetener.

Since there is so little info about keto diets, and because the moms wanted to follow the doctors orders exactly, a few of the children actually grew disgusted with the act of eating and had to get feeding tubes (as they refused to eat).

I really hope the healthier forms of nutritional ketosis (read: with real food) being practiced nowadays have some sort of influence on neurological dietary recommendations!
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Am popping in for a rant...

Had a weekend at my parents' house, and of course there was hidden wheat flour in some foods. My face looks awful, I've horrible eczema on my cheeks and it feels all itchy, hot and dry. Great. Now it will take ten days or so before I feel normal again. Yuk. They just don't get that a little bit is just as bad as a lot. And I find it irritating that they just don't care enough to pay attention. I mean, for themselves they do, but for me for some reason it doesn't matter. I am so mad right now! I am seriously considering cancelling Christmas or bringing all my own meals.

When they visit me, I take into account their dietary requirements, and nobody thinks thats weird. Why can't they do the same for me?

Enough whining, thanks for letting me, LOL! Back home now and back to eating good foods. I did stay LC but for the most part I just fasted because it was easier than having the food/wheat discussion once again.
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All I can think to say, you have your parents. Bring your own food next time and have a happy visit!
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Cathy, you are right of course!

I think they have a hard time accepting my choices sometimes. I love them really!!!
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