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Maddyg2014 10-16-2013 08:08 AM

Ketosis Question
 
I was on Atkins Fat fast diet a while ago and lost 5 lbs in about a month. It is really easy for me to get into ketosis. In the past few weeks I have not been dieting, having my wine at night and eating what I want. I don't tend to eat a lot of bread, rice etc anyway but I have been to a couple of Mexican restaurants this past week. Anyway, I am still in ketosis. I check throughout the day and I am surprised this is still going on. (Btw, I am using the Reli-o test strips purchased from Wal Mart). However, I am not losing weight but neither am I trying. Here is the question: Does the process of ketosis come from your fat stores, exclusively? Or, does the dietary fat that you eat be converted into ketones?

I have been testing blood sugar and I range from 80- 100 (after a meal).

Mistizoom 10-16-2013 08:49 AM

:welcome: A person can be in ketosis and not lose weight. If a person is losing weight on a ketogenic diet, the fat is coming from body stores and diet. If a person is on a ketogenic diet and not losing weight, the fat is likely coming from diet alone, unless said person is building lean body mass/muscles while simultaneously losing body fat. If so, then fat would be coming from both body stores and diet.

Maddyg2014 10-16-2013 10:04 AM

Ketosis.
 
Then all of my ketone production must be coming from the dietary fat that I am consuming. Therefore if I restrict the dietary fat from my diet then I would be dropping pounds like crazy because the ketones would be coming from my fat stores. However, I have read that we need to keep our dietary fat high to produce ketones from our stored fat. This is so confusing. Btw I am not exercising so I am not gaining or losing muscle. Just maintaining my weight in Ketosis.

cherylockholmes 10-16-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Maddyg2013 (Post 16645595)
I was on Atkins Fat fast diet a while ago and lost 5 lbs in about a month. It is really easy for me to get into ketosis. In the past few weeks I have not been dieting, having my wine at night and eating what I want. I don't tend to eat a lot of bread, rice etc anyway but I have been to a couple of Mexican restaurants this past week. Anyway, I am still in ketosis. I check throughout the day and I am surprised this is still going on. (Btw, I am using the Reli-o test strips purchased from Wal Mart). However, I am not losing weight but neither am I trying. Here is the question: Does the process of ketosis come from your fat stores, exclusively? Or, does the dietary fat that you eat be converted into ketones?

I have been testing blood sugar and I range from 80- 100 (after a meal).

Using keto-stix is not a reliable way of telling if you are in ketosis. The only real measure is through testing with a blood ketone meter.

AnnetteW 10-16-2013 03:17 PM

I'm in nutritional ketosis right now, but I'm not really losing. In other words, I'm eating at maintenance levels. There are a certain amount of calories that are taken in to consideration here. We can't believe otherwise.

Being in ketosis doesn't mean all ketones are coming from current body fat. Fat in the diet, from what I've read, is very fluid, going in and out of our blood stream. The fat in our body goes in and the fat we in goes in, and out, etc.

We can't worry about whether or not it is specifically one fat or the other turning in to ketones, it's all just fat (or triclycerides actually, correct me if I'm wrong here.)

If you aren't losing, eat a bit less fat, use more of your own fat stores.

Just watch the carbs and proteins.

Anjikun 10-17-2013 08:08 AM

Trying keeping your percentages of fat/carbs/protein the same but cutting calories. One of the online trackers will help you do this.

Maddyg2014 10-18-2013 09:22 AM

Nova max meter
 
Finally got my nova max ketone test strips. Tried it just now after eating a bowl of trader joes blueberries and yogurt plus almonds. Tested at (.3). Last night we went out to dinner and I ate and drank what I wanted.

So I am in Ketosis. Does this mean that the ketones that have been detected our coming from my fat stores as oppose to the fat I am consuming? The urine strips are testing a moderate range.

I have to say ever since I tried the Fat Fast it truly changed the way my body is burning fuel. In the past the minute I changed to my regular diet I would not be in Ketosis. Anybody experience this?

AnnetteW 10-18-2013 03:38 PM

The best time to test is in the morning before eating, in a fasted state. That is the lowest ketone reading of the day and it should only go up.

0.3 is not considered in Nutritional Ketosis, Phinney and Volek say it starts at 0.5, so that's your first number to aim for.

Let us know what happens, though you might want to eat very low carb for a few days to make sure you are in ketosis. It stinks to waste the strips. But it's a great learning opportunity.

cherylockholmes 10-18-2013 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnetteW (Post 16649216)
The best time to test is in the morning before eating, in a fasted state. That is the lowest ketone reading of the day and it should only go up.

0.3 is not considered in Nutritional Ketosis, Phinney and Volek say it starts at 0.5, so that's your first number to aim for.

Let us know what happens, though you might want to eat very low carb for a few days to make sure you are in ketosis. It stinks to waste the strips. But it's a great learning opportunity.

Jimmy Moore says, and other places I've read say that ketones are actually at their highest in the evening.

Mistizoom 10-18-2013 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cherylockholmes (Post 16649244)
Jimmy Moore says, and other places I've read say that ketones are actually at their highest in the evening.

I think that's the point, you want to test when they are lowest. If it is 0.5 mM in the morning when they are lowest, you know you are in NK, as they they will be higher later in the day.

I also have heard that the lowest in the morning/highest in the evening is true for people eating low carb (in ketosis). For people eating higher carbs, the reverse is true, as they are in a fasted state overnight, and that is the only time someone not eating low carb would generally produced ketones, thus any ketones showing up in a non-LCer would highest in the morning.

RebeccaLatham 10-18-2013 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistizoom (Post 16649427)
I think that's the point, you want to test when they are lowest. If it is 0.5 mM in the morning when they are lowest, you know you are in NK, as they they will be higher later in the day.

I also have heard that the lowest in the morning/highest in the evening is true for people eating low carb (in ketosis). For people eating higher carbs, the reverse is true, as they are in a fasted state overnight, and that is the only time someone not eating low carb would generally produced ketones, thus any ketones showing up in a non-LCer would highest in the morning.

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cherylockholmes 10-19-2013 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mistizoom (Post 16649427)
I think that's the point, you want to test when they are lowest. If it is 0.5 mM in the morning when they are lowest, you know you are in NK, as they they will be higher later in the day.

I also have heard that the lowest in the morning/highest in the evening is true for people eating low carb (in ketosis). For people eating higher carbs, the reverse is true, as they are in a fasted state overnight, and that is the only time someone not eating low carb would generally produced ketones, thus any ketones showing up in a non-LCer would highest in the morning.

Oh duh. Sorry...this readhead was having a blonde moment :o

Maddyg2014 10-20-2013 05:49 AM

I tried again yesterday at 2:00 pm. I had been out all day so the last time I had eaten was breakfast 9:00am. For breakfast I had cup of coconut and avocado soup. The reading came in at 1.5.

I have a girls reunion coming this week so I am not going to bother with the diet. However, I will be back in force this November. Started at 169.8. Currently 162. Goal weight 130 but I will be happy reaching 140. I am 5.7 and 55 years young!

Kvalmera 10-26-2013 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mistizoom (Post 16649427)
I think that's the point, you want to test when they are lowest. If it is 0.5 mM in the morning when they are lowest, you know you are in NK, as they they will be higher later in the day.

I also have heard that the lowest in the morning/highest in the evening is true for people eating low carb (in ketosis). For people eating higher carbs, the reverse is true, as they are in a fasted state overnight, and that is the only time someone not eating low carb would generally produced ketones, thus any ketones showing up in a non-LCer would highest in the morning.

Oh thanks for that info!! I was wondering why my strips show light pink in the mornings but dark purple in the evening. Now that makes sense! And yes, I am using the urine sticks until I run out.


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