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Old 07-11-2013, 11:04 AM   #1
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Is this possible?!

Not that long ago I decided to come out of NK. Mostly because people were telling me I looked too thin and because I weigh so little. And people were saying I didn't have enough bodyfat. Ok fine. So I tried following the Atkins protocol for upping the carbs slowly and adding back more of the higher carb foods. Quite honestly, I didn't get very far. I think I made it up to 60g of net carbs a day and only added some more vegetables and started using whole milk instead of cream in iced coffee. All of the sudden many of my old symptoms started coming back: Fanticizing about high carb foods, out of control bingeing and overeating which put me in this mess in the first place. Ie. of being overweight and having to lose a ton of weight. I decided to go back into NK because I really don't want to become a yoyo dieter again. So now what? Does this mean I have to stay in NK forever? How is it that some people can eat a lot of carbs and maintain their weight? Has anyone ever experienced anything similar? I am frusterated because I have no idea what to do. I told my husband the other day that my goal is to be able to eat veggies again. And that just sounds so wrong considering that I am not even close to being able to eat anything else on the carb ladder of atkin's foods. I am so frusterated at this point.
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I have no experience of binging nor insight to it but didn't want to read and leave no comment.

In a different context, Layne Norton discussed transitioning from one WOE to another and he advises that people have to build up their carb levels by 5g at a time and a week at a time before moving up another 5g and seeing if that is OK. Did you move up by more than 5g at a time? I don't know if it's relevant but in the context he was discussing (moving from bodyfat loss mode to maintenance) it made a lot of sense.

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How is it that some people can eat a lot of carbs and maintain their weight?
As for other people's metabolism, who knows? There are some theorists/clinicians such as Rosedale and Gegaudas who take the pessimistic view that if we all live long enough, all of us will develop metabolic derangement - for a variety of reasons, some develop it earlier. (tbh, I don't know what I think about that level of pessimism.)

Would reducing your carb level again and then bumping it back up by Layne Norton type babysteps be something that you feel would be worth an experiment?
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I really have no idea, as you are the one blazing a new path.
I am curious, though, if there is a way to sort out the effect of veggies v. whole milk?
What other foods have you added? Fruit? Nuts?
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Not that long ago I decided to come out of NK. Mostly because people were telling me I looked too thin and because I weigh so little. And people were saying I didn't have enough bodyfat. Ok fine. So I tried following the Atkins protocol for upping the carbs slowly and adding back more of the higher carb foods. Quite honestly, I didn't get very far. I think I made it up to 60g of net carbs a day and only added some more vegetables and started using whole milk instead of cream in iced coffee. All of the sudden many of my old symptoms started coming back: Fanticizing about high carb foods, out of control bingeing and overeating which put me in this mess in the first place. Ie. of being overweight and having to lose a ton of weight. I decided to go back into NK because I really don't want to become a yoyo dieter again. So now what? Does this mean I have to stay in NK forever? How is it that some people can eat a lot of carbs and maintain their weight? Has anyone ever experienced anything similar? I am frusterated because I have no idea what to do. I told my husband the other day that my goal is to be able to eat veggies again. And that just sounds so wrong considering that I am not even close to being able to eat anything else on the carb ladder of atkin's foods. I am so frusterated at this point.
There's so much in this post. Do you think you are too skinny and your body fat too low, or is this just what others are saying? Do you want to share your stats?

When I lost a lot of weight I heard that all the time. Yet I still weighed quite a bit more than when I was younger, and even as an adult I had lost to a lower weight.

You were up to 60 net carbs with only veggies and some milk in your coffee? That sounds like an awful lot of veggies. I always find it fascinating to see how others eat.

Obviously the 60 grams is too high of a number for you, I don't see that as a problem, it's just finding the right combination of foods that don't cause the cravings to come back.

Maybe your carb number is 40 to 50.

I do agree that one of our goals is to keep the cravings/munchies at bay. To be honest though, the thought of eating VCL for ever is quite scary and daunting. I don't think I mind eating low carb, but I'd sure like to be able to eat more than 20 in the future.

Hopefully someone has some experiences to share.

Congrats on reaching your goal. I find that very exciting and I hope to be there again sometime soon.
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Don't P&V recommend keeping to your carb and protein allowances and upping or lowering fat depending on whether or not you want to maintain or lose?

If 60 carbs caused problems, back down to 50 and see how that goes. I think you should still be able to get quite a few veggies for 50 carbs.

Or.... you could raise carbs 2-3 days a week and keep to the lower amounts the other days. I am no expert, but I have the most success when I stick to food as fuel only most of the time and loosen up when it is more "entertainment" like going out for dinner with friends.

I also second what Annette said about really evaluating what others are telling you. People have skewed perceptions of "normal" these days, especially if they are used to seeing you heavy.
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Not that long ago I decided to come out of NK. Mostly because people were telling me I looked too thin and because I weigh so little. And people were saying I didn't have enough bodyfat. Ok fine. So I tried following the Atkins protocol for upping the carbs slowly and adding back more of the higher carb foods. Quite honestly, I didn't get very far. I think I made it up to 60g of net carbs a day and only added some more vegetables and started using whole milk instead of cream in iced coffee. All of the sudden many of my old symptoms started coming back: Fanticizing about high carb foods, out of control bingeing and overeating which put me in this mess in the first place. Ie. of being overweight and having to lose a ton of weight. I decided to go back into NK because I really don't want to become a yoyo dieter again. So now what? Does this mean I have to stay in NK forever? How is it that some people can eat a lot of carbs and maintain their weight? Has anyone ever experienced anything similar? I am frusterated because I have no idea what to do. I told my husband the other day that my goal is to be able to eat veggies again. And that just sounds so wrong considering that I am not even close to being able to eat anything else on the carb ladder of atkin's foods. I am so frusterated at this point.
You made the mistake of listening to other people about your weight instead of sticking with what makes you feel well. I cannot eat like the new Atkins either. I cannot eat all those vegetables. Everyone is different. Some people can eat more carbs than others. My husband can eat more than I, but not even close to what he used to eat. He has lost 32 pounds eating this way, and I have lost about 20. I do not plan to ever eat like I use to. I just did not feel well eating all those carbs.
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I would up the calories of fat instead of trying to add in carbs.
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I am another who thinks upping fat is what you want to do rather than upping carbs and 50g of carb from veggies is quite a lot if they are not the starchy type which you probably want to avoid anyway.
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If you are truly underweight at this point, upping the fat will normalize your weight. Fat will help under or overweight people. The book Life Without Bread talks about this.
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I,m going to read that book, thankyou. The reason I weight so little (95lbs) is because I only have subcutaneous fat cells in one location of my body. My thighs. So my body doesn't store a lot of fat. When I gain weight, I turn into a pear. literaly, it is more exaggerated on me than any other woman I have ever seen. With perfect genetics you are supposed to store body fat fairly evenly all over your body, so people with those type of genetics can carry and store a lot more body fat. The condition is called lipodystrophy which is just a fancy name for a fat storage disorder. If I tell people I weigh 95lbs. Their voice gets quieter and they start talking to me like I am a four year old that just fell down and hurt themselves. And then the conversation turns towards the topic of eating disorders. I guess the reason why I wanted to up my carbs was so that I could maintain my weight, because that is what the atkins book says to do. But when I upped the carbs all my old symptoms started to reoccur. Out of control bingeing and food fantacies. Things that turned me into a pear and a yoyo dieter in the past. I seem to do well at 40 to 50g, which still qualifies me for NK. Recently I dropped the carbs back and tried upping the protein instead and so far that seems to be working. I still have some minor issues, but I think it has to do with insulin spiking after meals. I notice a reaction shortly after eating a higher carb meal (10 to 20g). I think I better read that book you recommended cfine, because I think I am one of those people that is going to have to remain low carb if I want to maintain my weight. I like upping the calories and eating more, but I don't think carbs are the way to do it for everyone (aka atkins protocol). I think when I eat meals that are higher in carbs the insulin response drives too much of the nutrients into storage and it starves my brain. Which is the reason I have the bingeing and food fantacies. In my mind upping the calories should be the result of a controlled addition of extra food, not a binge. Carbs for me seems to be what causes the bingeing.
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Punkin, it definitely sounds like increasing the protein is what will work for you, and you figured that one out on your own. So many of the low-carb experts out there, though they talk about raising the fat, never talk about raising the carbs, so why not raise the protein instead of fat. Yes, I understand about the gluco..... (whatever it's called) but we do have to eat what we can handle or tolerate.

Do multiple smaller meals work (with carb count under 10) work better for you? Or can you experiment with timing, when your body is most able to handle the higher carb meal. Can you get the bulk of your exercising in after the higher carb meal?

Just a few more thoughts to toss at you.
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Punkin, you have said that you are 5'3" tall and at 95lbs that is going to make you pretty underweight. You said this in a thread about calories. Are you sure that you don't have some body image issues? It just seems to me that you are struggling.

I think N.K. is great for maintenance as well but if you are underweight, it will have the natural effect of bring up your weight as Cfine was saying. According to Dr. Lutz of 'Life Without Bread', low carb will basically regulate weight. He has had underweight as well as overweight patients whose weight becomes 'normal'.
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Appropriate weight over and under is subjective and I give much more clout to overall health HOWEVER I had the same question initially. Already A month into NK I have gained a few pounds or at least "filled out" a bit because I believe added calories. I'm good with that! I know it's hard to wrap our minds around calories and fat counts after believing losing so well trying to prove that they didnt! Lol! It's a dance! But really- keep your fats or protein high enough so you don't waste muscle at your low weight. Also, you may initially lose some water weight as you know cutting carbs again is diuretic but not reAlly fat. I initially dropped to 99 pds now am back up to 102/103 though think I look better with more "real weight ." But like I said , that's personal Opinion.....
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Punkin, I hope you find something that works for you soon. I didn't know what lipodystrophy was, so I looked it up and it sounds like a lot of your issues with insulin and hyopglycemia may be related to this disorder. Have you seen any kind of specialist for it? It seems like there are some possible treatments but some of them may be experimental at this point in time.

Here's a list of clinical trials related to lipodystrophy: http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/result...&Search=Search

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I,m going to read that book, thankyou. The reason I weight so little (95lbs) is because I only have subcutaneous fat cells in one location of my body. My thighs. So my body doesn't store a lot of fat. When I gain weight, I turn into a pear. literaly, it is more exaggerated on me than any other woman I have ever seen. With perfect genetics you are supposed to store body fat fairly evenly all over your body, so people with those type of genetics can carry and store a lot more body fat. The condition is called lipodystrophy which is just a fancy name for a fat storage disorder. If I tell people I weigh 95lbs. Their voice gets quieter and they start talking to me like I am a four year old that just fell down and hurt themselves. And then the conversation turns towards the topic of eating disorders. I guess the reason why I wanted to up my carbs was so that I could maintain my weight, because that is what the atkins book says to do. But when I upped the carbs all my old symptoms started to reoccur. Out of control bingeing and food fantacies. Things that turned me into a pear and a yoyo dieter in the past. I seem to do well at 40 to 50g, which still qualifies me for NK. Recently I dropped the carbs back and tried upping the protein instead and so far that seems to be working. I still have some minor issues, but I think it has to do with insulin spiking after meals. I notice a reaction shortly after eating a higher carb meal (10 to 20g). I think I better read that book you recommended cfine, because I think I am one of those people that is going to have to remain low carb if I want to maintain my weight. I like upping the calories and eating more, but I don't think carbs are the way to do it for everyone (aka atkins protocol). I think when I eat meals that are higher in carbs the insulin response drives too much of the nutrients into storage and it starves my brain. Which is the reason I have the bingeing and food fantacies. In my mind upping the calories should be the result of a controlled addition of extra food, not a binge. Carbs for me seems to be what causes the bingeing.
I think that you really need to up your fat intake. Too much protein can make you gain weight. When you eat more fat, you will lose fat.
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I don't have body image issues, at least not in the traditional sense. I only store subcutaneous fat in one location on my body, there is no getting around it. I don't like posting nude pictures of myself on line but if I did you could see exactly what I am talking about. I am very thin everywhere on my body, except my thighs. Right now there is just loose hanging skin there because I have lost all the body fat that was once in this place. I look like one of those people who used to weigh 500lbs and now just has loose skin after losing a ton of weight. Except that on me, this loose skin is only on my thighs. I consulted a plastic surgeon to see what they said about it but because I only weigh 95lbs he sent me away. I guess because to them, I just have to cover it up. They probably spend their time more on people that they consider to have "real issues." I don't care all that much because I really don't want to have surgery anyways, I am just more interested in maintaining my weight. I have had a history of being a yoyo dieter. My heaviest I weight about 160lbs. I have gone up and down all my life and honestly I am tired of being in a cycle of either gaining or losing. I am happy being between 95 and 100lbs. And right now I look good in clothes, but just not naked (because of the loose skin). But I am also aware that if I don't wear a bathing suit in public, the only one who sees the loose skin is my husband.
My main goal right now is to avoid gaining weight and going back up to 160lbs! So I am experimenting with increasing the carbs and protein. Increasing the carbs seems to be an issue, I am not in ketosis right now, but I feel ok. But I haven't increased the carbs that much. I might be around 60g per day. I don't seem to have any problems with a meal high in protein and fat, even though I am not in ketosis. I think it might be because protein doesn't trigger an insulin response. The main issue with me though is fitting into our high carb lifestyle. I want to at least eat veggies because a meal consisting of a bowl of oil just isn't realistic. And because my daily intake is so low (around 1400cal a day), I can't really afford to eat too much protein so it ends up being a veggie based meal sometimes. Otherwise it looks like all I eat is snacks. That is when I get the "eating disorder" comments, when all I eat is a couple of hard boiled eggs for lunch. It is pretty frusterating.
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Maybe you'd be better off just putting a few pounds back on to make your upper body look better, not so skinny, and accept that you have the big thighs.

I've known people who have your condition and there really is no way around it.

But you probably have the most beautiful belly, am I correct?

Have you ever considered taking up an activity like belly dancing, which emphasizes the upperbody (as long as you aren't too skinny up there) and covers the lower body. In fact, the larger hips/thighs are the most attractive in belly dancing, but the skirts cover it. You get to wear beautiful outfits, and feel very pretty and feminine.

I used to take classes with my daughters and though I was never any good, it sure was fun (I have my fat in my belly though and didn't like that.)
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I am another who thinks upping fat is what you want to do rather than upping carbs and 50g of carb from veggies is quite a lot if they are not the starchy type which you probably want to avoid anyway.
I asked this same question a few days back. I was sticking to Bernstein's 4 oz of protein at a meal but on rereading his book, I noticed he actually clarified it as 1-1.5gm per kilo of *ideal* weight. All the charts say my ideal for my 5'3 small boned (not petite) frame is anywhere from 114-150. I stopped at 160 because I think I look good at this weight, although I *might* be ok with another 20 pounds...as long as I'm not gonna lose it from the 'girls'.

Okay so when I recalculated at the 1gm instead of 4 oz, it turned out I was eating double the protein I should be. Now that I'm eating 63gm or less, my calories have dropped down to about 1000-1100...and I refuse to add any more carbs in as 25gm or less and only from non-starchy vegies is all that keeps my BG stable and me off meds.

The advice I was given was to increase my fats by eating small amounts of nuts, adding flavored (garlic) butter or olive oil to vegies and meats, etc. so that's the plan at some point. I worry a bit about taking my fats up to around 80% even though I know that a higher fat is possible on very low carb without the negative side effects.

Guess we get to be guinea pigs since it seems like many people just add carbs back in. Not an option for me...or you, apparently.

I also have a question for the NK'ers out there since this is all new to me...is there a reason I should drop my protein under 50 vs the Bernstein's 63?
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If you are wanting to stay in ketosis and lose weight, then monitoring protein and even lowering it a bit may be necessary. Each person is different and the formulas and ranges are like a BMI.... doesn't always fit everyone.

If your goal is to maintain weight then the idea is to up the fat. Sort of simple, once the protein issue is resolved.... if weight loss is still not happening then the advice is to reduce fat intake so the body will access it's own stores. If weight loss is done then, up the fat until weight loss stops.

I would like to add that it doesn't always work that way for everyone. And the notion of adding carbs is for those that feel they want more in their woe and are at goal and adding more protein can work the same way as excess will convert to glucose.

And there is never any need to eat a bowl of oil. I really object to that description of n.k.. People seem to get really messed up over the whole calorie counting, old school thinking. Forget the calories and count the grams of macros. Here is a sampling of what I eat on N.k. and I don't think any of them look like bowls of oil. It is just good health food that tastes fantastic.
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If you are wanting to stay in ketosis and lose weight, then monitoring protein and even lowering it a bit may be necessary. Each person is different and the formulas and ranges are like a BMI.... doesn't always fit everyone.

If your goal is to maintain weight then the idea is to up the fat. Sort of simple, once the protein issue is resolved.... if weight loss is still not happening then the advice is to reduce fat intake so the body will access it's own stores. If weight loss is done then, up the fat until weight loss stops.

I would like to add that it doesn't always work that way for everyone. And the notion of adding carbs is for those that feel they want more in their woe and are at goal and adding more protein can work the same way as excess will convert to glucose.

And there is never any need to eat a bowl of oil. I really object to that description of n.k.. People seem to get really messed up over the whole calorie counting, old school thinking. Forget the calories and count the grams of macros. Here is a sampling of what I eat on N.k. and I don't think any of them look like bowls of oil. It is just good health food that tastes fantastic.
Your food looks really tasty. Thanks for sharing. You are so right that this is just healthy eating.
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I asked this same question a few days back. I was sticking to Bernstein's 4 oz of protein at a meal but on rereading his book, I noticed he actually clarified it as 1-1.5gm per kilo of *ideal* weight. All the charts say my ideal for my 5'3 small boned (not petite) frame is anywhere from 114-150. I stopped at 160 because I think I look good at this weight, although I *might* be ok with another 20 pounds...as long as I'm not gonna lose it from the 'girls'.

Okay so when I recalculated at the 1gm instead of 4 oz, it turned out I was eating double the protein I should be. Now that I'm eating 63gm or less, my calories have dropped down to about 1000-1100...and I refuse to add any more carbs in as 25gm or less and only from non-starchy vegies is all that keeps my BG stable and me off meds.

The advice I was given was to increase my fats by eating small amounts of nuts, adding flavored (garlic) butter or olive oil to vegies and meats, etc. so that's the plan at some point. I worry a bit about taking my fats up to around 80% even though I know that a higher fat is possible on very low carb without the negative side effects.

Guess we get to be guinea pigs since it seems like many people just add carbs back in. Not an option for me...or you, apparently.

I also have a question for the NK'ers out there since this is all new to me...is there a reason I should drop my protein under 50 vs the Bernstein's 63?
I limit mine to under 60 grams. But it is all in how your body processes it. You really cannot absorb more than 4 oz of protein at a time. So spread your protein out with your meals. Everyone is different and you will have to find out what works for you.
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clackley. What are in those pictures? Can you describe what it is that is in them. It looks like lettuce, but I can't tell what else is in there.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:47 AM   #23
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Maybe you'd be better off just putting a few pounds back on to make your upper body look better, not so skinny, and accept that you have the big thighs.
Because of the lipodystrophy, Punkin is unable to put pounds on so as to make her upper body look better. Punkin looks thin in her upper body because she cannot store subcutaneous fat there at all. There are photos of this condition in Gary Taube's book Why We Get Fat.

Punkin, when you get comments from people who say you are too thin and should eat more, maybe you could state briefly that you have lipodystrophy, which means you cannot put on upper-body fat (which is why you look thin there) and that you are eating as prescribed by your doctor given your condition. If they keep on about it, you could say "Gee, I sure do wish I didn't have this condition and could eat/gain fat like you, but I do and that's life, so...let's change the topic!"

Also, you are totally not alone about the bingeing. That happens to me as well when I eat more carbs than I can handle. It always starts with fruit (fruit is the slippery slope for me!).
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Old 07-21-2013, 06:25 PM   #24
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Because of the lipodystrophy, Punkin is unable to put pounds on so as to make her upper body look better. Punkin looks thin in her upper body because she cannot store subcutaneous fat there at all. There are photos of this condition in Gary Taube's book Why We Get Fat.

Punkin, when you get comments from people who say you are too thin and should eat more, maybe you could state briefly that you have lipodystrophy, which means you cannot put on upper-body fat (which is why you look thin there) and that you are eating as prescribed by your doctor given your condition. If they keep on about it, you could say "Gee, I sure do wish I didn't have this condition and could eat/gain fat like you, but I do and that's life, so...let's change the topic!"

Also, you are totally not alone about the bingeing. That happens to me as well when I eat more carbs than I can handle. It always starts with fruit (fruit is the slippery slope for me!).
Fruit is definitely a problem for me. It always makes me hungry.
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Old 07-22-2013, 04:52 AM   #25
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Because of the lipodystrophy, Punkin is unable to put pounds on so as to make her upper body look better. Punkin looks thin in her upper body because she cannot store subcutaneous fat there at all. There are photos of this condition in Gary Taube's book Why We Get Fat.

Punkin, when you get comments from people who say you are too thin and should eat more, maybe you could state briefly that you have lipodystrophy, which means you cannot put on upper-body fat (which is why you look thin there) and that you are eating as prescribed by your doctor given your condition. If they keep on about it, you could say "Gee, I sure do wish I didn't have this condition and could eat/gain fat like you, but I do and that's life, so...let's change the topic!"

Also, you are totally not alone about the bingeing. That happens to me as well when I eat more carbs than I can handle. It always starts with fruit (fruit is the slippery slope for me!).
Yes. When I weighed 160lbs (65lbs ago) I still had scrawny arms and no breasts. I would rather weight 100lbs with scrawny arms and no breasts! At least I have a someone normal shape. I look good in clothes at 100lbs, better than when I weighed 160lbs. I look properly proportioned.

The bingeing is a problem and I am trying to learn to figure out why it happens. I have narrowed it down that it has to do with not giving your brain something to feed on. You can eat 500cal a day over your maintenance intake and still be susceptible to bingeing and hunger. I think if you are out of ketosis, you have to be giving your body regular doses of easily digestible carbs. If you are in ketosis, you have to have a decent amount of circulating ketones. I think for some people that is easier than it is for others. For people out of ketosis, you have to be eating at regular intervals and the carbs can't be things like veggies. If you drop out of ketosis, which probably happens when you eat too many carbs, you probably have to eat some easily digestible carbs every 2 hours. And I think because the brain requires roughly 600cal a day. I think equates to about 150g of carbs spread evenly through the day. Unless you have a great metabolism and can manage your blood glucose really well. If you are lower than that then you are probably in trouble unless you are in ketosis. And if you are in ketosis, you have to make sure your body is producing ketones. I am one of those people who seems to struggle making ketones. You can't feed your body ketones directly, like you can glucose. So you have to figure out a way to encourage your body to do it. So far I have only found that low intensity exercise, and MCT oil seem to work.

If anyone has any other strategies that help raise their blood ketones, please share.
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Yes. When I weighed 160lbs (65lbs ago) I still had scrawny arms and no breasts. I would rather weight 100lbs with scrawny arms and no breasts! At least I have a someone normal shape. I look good in clothes at 100lbs, better than when I weighed 160lbs. I look properly proportioned.

The bingeing is a problem and I am trying to learn to figure out why it happens. I have narrowed it down that it has to do with not giving your brain something to feed on. You can eat 500cal a day over your maintenance intake and still be susceptible to bingeing and hunger. I think if you are out of ketosis, you have to be giving your body regular doses of easily digestible carbs. If you are in ketosis, you have to have a decent amount of circulating ketones. I think for some people that is easier than it is for others. For people out of ketosis, you have to be eating at regular intervals and the carbs can't be things like veggies. If you drop out of ketosis, which probably happens when you eat too many carbs, you probably have to eat some easily digestible carbs every 2 hours. And I think because the brain requires roughly 600cal a day. I think equates to about 150g of carbs spread evenly through the day. Unless you have a great metabolism and can manage your blood glucose really well. If you are lower than that then you are probably in trouble unless you are in ketosis. And if you are in ketosis, you have to make sure your body is producing ketones. I am one of those people who seems to struggle making ketones. You can't feed your body ketones directly, like you can glucose. So you have to figure out a way to encourage your body to do it. So far I have only found that low intensity exercise, and MCT oil seem to work.

If anyone has any other strategies that help raise their blood ketones, please share.

I think a binge happens when we eat too much carbohydrate, which makes us hungry, or too much protein at one time. It is pretty hard to binge on fat. I haven't had any problems with that since I have lowered both. I definitely could binge on protein when I eat too much of it. I used to be able to eat a whole chicken. Not any more since I weigh my protein foods and keep the grams down.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:02 AM   #27
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I think a binge happens when we eat too much carbohydrate, which makes us hungry, or too much protein at one time. It is pretty hard to binge on fat. I haven't had any problems with that since I have lowered both. I definitely could binge on protein when I eat too much of it. I used to be able to eat a whole chicken. Not any more since I weigh my protein foods and keep the grams down.
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I agree with this. I find that certain foods make me want to eat more and they are low carb foods. The problem is the amounts. You often hear people claim that certain low carb foods tend to make them overeat but really, one should be looking at all the foods and their nutrient values to discover that it is the carbs or the protein that is the problem.

And of course, there are those that have other issues that may have a hand in binging.
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I limit mine to under 60 grams. But it is all in how your body processes it. You really cannot absorb more than 4 oz of protein at a time. So spread your protein out with your meals. Everyone is different and you will have to find out what works for you.
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How many grams of protein would that be? Chicken breast, pork picnic, and ribeye steak have different amounts of protein/ oz.

Wouldn't that also depend on the amount of muscle you are trying to feed? What happens to the excess?

There would be so many variables involved, how can that statement to be true?

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How many grams of protein would that be? Chicken breast, pork picnic, and ribeye steak have different amounts of protein/ oz.

Wouldn't that also depend on the amount of muscle you are trying to feed? What happens to the excess?

There would be so many variables involved, how can that statement to be true?
Dr. Bernstein and a few others believe that you should eat 1-1.5gm of protein for every kilo of your *ideal* weight. Some bodybuilding sites actually advocate .8gm...which seems really low for a bodybuilder.

Excess protein will turn into glucose. A particular problem for diabetics.
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:21 AM   #30
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It makes complete sense to me that the actual grams of protein consumed in a 'digestible' time span (like 4 hours) would have to be limited in the same way as consuming anything.

If your daily allotment of protein is 50g and you consume it all at once, it will be more likely be 'excessive' and convert some of that to glucose. Of course, what is excessive for one may not be for another.

This is the problem I am having with I.F..
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