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Old 07-04-2013, 05:30 PM   #31
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Old 07-04-2013, 05:36 PM   #32
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No, they're like blood glucose strips, and they fit into the meter in a specific way.
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Once again, I ate slightly more protein than usual yesterday, but it seems to be okay: my levels were higher, not just over the line, but solidly in the "butter zone." (Pun intended ) I'm going to keep on eating like normal, which means I eat only induction allowed foods, count nothing but carbs, but am protein-conscious (obviously with varying success).
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Blood Ketone Log

July 2 -- 0.5
Previous day's food
Cal-1809 c-10.4 p-180 f-111

July 3 -- 1.3
Previous day's food
Cal-1735 c-14.5 p-151 f-117
That's a substantial difference in readings. Hm - it will be so interesting to track whether this is reflecting your protein intake. In the general scheme of things, your carb intake looks negligibly different.

And, under the circumstances, there's no special reason to think that your glycogen stores were a tad fuller on July 2 so July 3 reflects some special depletion and therefore a different way of handling the carbs? And the fat difference is only 6g.

Please forgive my musings. I'd hate for this to feel like the Blood Ketone Special Edition of The Truman Show. I'm so intrigued by the data tracking.

I should add that I'm interested in obtaining my own device. The major sticking point now is that importing the meter would attract an additional minimum of the equivalent of $50 in handling fees and taxes, irrespective of the cost of the meter and the difficulty of bringing in through customs. I might have to wait for DH's next business trip to the US so that he can purchase a meter and bring it back and then I'll mail order the strips.
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Muse away, I find it interesting too! That's why I'm posting; I love this stuff.

Notice too that the numbers from 3 July and 4 July are almost the same, despite the almost 40g difference in protein.

Here's another interesting thing: I had eaten out for one meal each of those days. I meticulously recorded my food (I ate from McDonalds twice and Denny's once, so I used their nutrition info), and I definitely don't eat fast food daily, but it was just one of those weird coincidences. I ate exclusively at home yesterday, and I'll be taking my level in a couple of hours, so we'll see if that makes a difference.
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Muse away, I find it interesting too! That's why I'm posting; I love this stuff.

Notice too that the numbers from 3 July and 4 July are almost the same, despite the almost 40g difference in protein.

Here's another interesting thing: I had eaten out for one meal each of those days. I meticulously recorded my food (I ate from McDonalds twice and Denny's once, so I used their nutrition info), and I definitely don't eat fast food daily, but it was just one of those weird coincidences. I ate exclusively at home yesterday, and I'll be taking my level in a couple of hours, so we'll see if that makes a difference.
You don't do a fasting BG? Kathy
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I'm not diabetic, but I've been doing a fasting and a post-prandial blood glucose sometimes, just out of curiosity (and because I have free bg strips ). My numbers are always stellar. I haven't seen one above 100, even after eating.

In the above post, though, I was talking about my blood ketone levels. I'm about to do them shortly. I do test in the morning while still fasting, but I'm on the West Coast, and I'm still in bed, so I haven't tested yet.
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July 2 morning -- 0.5
Previous day's food
Cal-1809 c-10.4 p-180 f-111

July 3 morning -- 1.3
Previous day's food
Cal-1735 c-14.5 p-151 f-117

July 4 morning -- 1.2
Previous day's food
Cal - 2042 c - 16.5 p - 111 f - 169

July 5 morning -- 1.9
Previous day's food
Cal - 1287 c - 4.7 p - 118 f - 85
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I'm not diabetic, but I've been doing a fasting and a post-prandial blood glucose sometimes, just out of curiosity (and because I have free bg strips ). My numbers are always stellar. I haven't seen one above 100, even after eating.

In the above post, though, I was talking about my blood ketone levels. I'm about to do them shortly. I do test in the morning while still fasting, but I'm on the West Coast, and I'm still in bed, so I haven't tested yet.
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Regarding the ketone testing strips, I just looked at Universal Drug Store, Canada (where I buy my thyroid) and their price is $19.99 for 10 strips. They have free shipping over $100 so you could buy 5 and anything else you could find to get it up over $50 or buy 6 and have a small supply!
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Blood Ketone Log

July 2 morning -- 0.5
Previous day's food
Cal-1809 c-10.4 p-180 f-111

July 3 morning -- 1.3
Previous day's food
Cal-1735 c-14.5 p-151 f-117

July 4 morning -- 1.2
Previous day's food
Cal - 2042 c - 16.5 p - 111 f - 169

July 5 morning -- 1.9
Previous day's food
Cal - 1287 c - 4.7 p - 118 f - 85

July 6 morning -- 1.0
Previous day's food
Cal - 1639 c - 9.3 p - 153 f - 102
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It's so useful to be able to see your macronutrients and ketone readings. You're still in the zone with the fluctuations of your protein and fat which is intriguing.

Dr Georgia Edes of Diagnosis Diet blogged her diet, blood glucose and ketones when she experimented with various types of ketogenic diet (she logged a fair amount of data when trying out Seyfried's 'metabolic management for cancer patients' diet). It's notable that she had to tinker a lot with her protein intake to get it to the levels that she wanted (she wanted a ketone reading of 4+ as recommended for Seyfried's diet but was content with lower readings for other types of ketogenic diet-for Seyfried, she also needed to reduce her blood sugar levels).

Ede's guest post and updates from Real Woman Anne on her experience of nutritional ketosis was nicely illustrated with some basic line plots of her carb, fat and protein intake alongside weight loss.

I feel that I'm learning so much from following your readings, Ntombi.

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It's so useful to be able to see your macronutrients and ketone readings. You're still in the zone with the fluctuations of your protein and fat which is intriguing.

Dr Georgia Edes of Diagnosis Diet blogged her diet, blood glucose and ketones when she experimented with various types of ketogenic diet (she logged a fair amount of data when trying out Seyfried's 'metabolic management for cancer patients' diet). It's notable that she had to tinker a lot with her protein intake to get it to the levels that she wanted (she wanted a ketone reading of 4+ as recommended for Seyfried's diet but was content with lower readings for other types of ketogenic diet-for Seyfried, she also needed to reduce her blood sugar levels).

Ede's guest post and updates from Real Woman Anne on her experience of nutritional ketosis was nicely illustrated with some basic line plots of her carb, fat and protein intake alongside weight loss.

I feel that I'm learning so much from following your readings, Ntombi.
Thanks for the info! I am reading her blog- always like to see how this goes for other women! Kathy
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I'm glad someone else is getting something out of it too.

Just FYI, I have taken several fasting and 2-hour post-prandial blood glucose readings this week as well, and my numbers have all been 70-91. That's good news on two fronts: I used to be hypoglycemic, and would have very low numbers and rather severe symptoms (even during the first time I was on Atkins) but I've only had one incident in the last year, and my readings are also good news in terms of any risk for diabetes. I'm on steroids quite often, due to Multiple Sclerosis, and that can play havoc with blood sugars, so I need to keep them as stable as possible when I can.

I'm thinking that the next time I get some strips, I'll manipulate my diet, being sure to stick to under 130g of protein and over 130g of fat, and see what that does. I'm just curious. This is day six, and I've learned that my protein goals don't have to be strict (not that they were, clearly), which I'm very happy about.

I've also confirmed that I'm not causing the fluctuations on the scale that are my normal. As long as I eat what I'm supposed to eat, I'm within the optimal fat-burning range of ketosis, and my excess fat will go away, even as the scale bounces. I knew that, but it's nice to have more confirmation, you know?


Blood Ketone Log

July 2 morning -- 0.5
Previous day's food
Cal-1809 c-10.4 p-180 f-111

July 3 morning -- 1.3
Previous day's food
Cal-1735 c-14.5 p-151 f-117

July 4 morning -- 1.2
Previous day's food
Cal - 2042 c - 16.5 p - 111 f - 169

July 5 morning -- 1.9
Previous day's food
Cal - 1287 c - 4.7 p - 118 f - 85

July 6 morning -- 1.0
Previous day's food
Cal - 1639 c - 9.3 p - 153 f - 102

July 7 morning -- 1.2
Previous day's food
Cal -1549 c - 2.7 p - 164 f - 93
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I'm glad someone else is getting something out of it too.

Just FYI, I have taken several fasting and 2-hour post-prandial blood glucose readings this week as well, and my numbers have all been 70-91. That's good news on two fronts: I used to be hypoglycemic, and would have very low numbers and rather severe symptoms (even during the first time I was on Atkins) but I've only had one incident in the last year, and my readings are also good news in terms of any risk for diabetes. I'm on steroids quite often, due to Multiple Sclerosis, and that can play havoc with blood sugars, so I need to keep them as stable as possible when I can.

I'm thinking that the next time I get some strips, I'll manipulate my diet, being sure to stick to under 130g of protein and over 130g of fat, and see what that does. I'm just curious. This is day six, and I've learned that my protein goals don't have to be strict (not that they were, clearly), which I'm very happy about.

I've also confirmed that I'm not causing the fluctuations on the scale that are my normal. As long as I eat what I'm supposed to eat, I'm within the optimal fat-burning range of ketosis, and my excess fat will go away, even as the scale bounces. I knew that, but it's nice to have more confirmation, you know?


Blood Ketone Log

July 2 morning -- 0.5
Previous day's food
Cal-1809 c-10.4 p-180 f-111

July 3 morning -- 1.3
Previous day's food
Cal-1735 c-14.5 p-151 f-117

July 4 morning -- 1.2
Previous day's food
Cal - 2042 c - 16.5 p - 111 f - 169

July 5 morning -- 1.9
Previous day's food
Cal - 1287 c - 4.7 p - 118 f - 85

July 6 morning -- 1.0
Previous day's food
Cal - 1639 c - 9.3 p - 153 f - 102

July 7 morning -- 1.2
Previous day's food
Cal -1549 c - 2.7 p - 164 f - 93
y

So your highest fat day preceded your highest
Blood ketone level, right?
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No. This is my highest ketone reading, and my fat was lowest the previous day, but so was everything else.

July 5 morning -- 1.9
Previous day's food
Cal - 1287 c - 4.7 p - 118 f - 85

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No. This is my highest ketone reading, and my fat was lowest the previous day, but so was everything else.

July 5 morning -- 1.9
Previous day's food
Cal - 1287 c - 4.7 p - 118 f - 85
Perhaps I am missing something here. This is what I am looking at.
July 4 morning -- 1.2
Previous day's food
Cal - 2042 c - 16.5 p - 111 f - 169

July 5 morning -- 1.9
Previous day's food
Cal - 1287 c - 4.7 p - 118 f - 85


On July 4 your fat grams were 169 and the next am your Blood Ketones were 1.9. If I am reading it correctly, the F at 169 was your highest fat grams and the 1.9 is your highest Ketone reading. My AM ketone reading is always directly related to what I ate the day before. What am I missing?
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Perhaps I am missing something here. This is what I am looking at.
July 4 morning -- 1.2
Previous day's food
Cal - 2042 c - 16.5 p - 111 f - 169

July 5 morning -- 1.9
Previous day's food
Cal - 1287 c - 4.7 p - 118 f - 85


On July 4 your fat grams were 169 and the next am your Blood Ketones were 1.9. If I am reading it correctly, the F at 169 was your highest fat grams and the 1.9 is your highest Ketone reading. My AM ketone reading is always directly related to what I ate the day before. What am I missing?
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Ohhhhhh hold up, I am looking again and see what you mean! I got it! Interesting! I was reading yours the way I do mine....Kathy
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Yeah, I posted the info a little differently, keeping the pertinent data together, even though they're from two different days.
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Yeah, I posted the info a little differently, keeping the pertinent data together, even though they're from two different days.
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enjoy! Wine sounds good. I've limited my intake to a very few drinks since I went back to hardcore weight loss mode, and I miss it. But I'll feel better drinking when I'm thinner. (That's what I tell myself!)

I'm going to the movies with friends in a little bit, and I'm going to enjoy a large Diet Coke. I'm still trying to get away from wanting popcorn at the movies, but I'm not there yet, so I try to enjoy the heck out of the soda.


I made a big pot of greens (a mix of kale, collards, mustard, turnip) last night, and I wonder how they'll affect my readings. I try to limit myself to one serving per day, though sometimes I take another bite or two. This will be the first time during this week that I'll have a full serving of veggies, rather than small amounts added in with other things. It was coincidence that I had gone through a pot of kale last week, so it just happened that I didn't have more than a handful of cabbage in my meals as I was taking my readings this week.
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enjoy! Wine sounds good. I've limited my intake to a very few drinks since I went back to hardcore weight loss mode, and I miss it. But I'll feel better drinking when I'm thinner. (That's what I tell myself!)

I'm going to the movies with friends in a little bit, and I'm going to enjoy a large Diet Coke. I'm still trying to get away from wanting popcorn at the movies, but I'm not there yet, so I try to enjoy the heck out of the soda.


I made a big pot of greens (a mix of kale, collards, mustard, turnip) last night, and I wonder how they'll affect my readings. I try to limit myself to one serving per day, though sometimes I take another bite or two. This will be the first time during this week that I'll have a full serving of veggies, rather than small amounts added in with other things. It was coincidence that I had gone through a pot of kale last week, so it just happened that I didn't have more than a handful of cabbage in my meals as I was taking my readings this week.
What you gonna see??? Enjoy! I have always loved, "nothing TASTES as good as THIN feels". I tell myself that ALOT!
Last night I ate far more veggies than I have been able to eat also, so I truly do not understand AT ALL! My friend made Mahi-Mahi with a wonderful sauce of almonds, basil, garilic, tomatoes, and olive oil and also served a cole slaw and then roasted veggies that were wonderful! I did skip the chocolate chip cookies (homemade that I TOOK) and the ice cream that I TOOK) Kathy
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We saw the Lone Ranger, and it was not good, but I had fun with my friends. Also, one of my friends said she found finally see a difference in my weight. We see each other all the time, so with the gradual change, she didn't see it until now.

Here's the last entry for the week

Blood Ketone Log

July 2 morning -- 0.5
Previous day's food
Cal-1809 c-10.4 p-180 f-111

July 3 morning -- 1.3
Previous day's food
Cal-1735 c-14.5 p-151 f-117

July 4 morning -- 1.2
Previous day's food
Cal - 2042 c - 16.5 p - 111 f - 169

July 5 morning -- 1.9
Previous day's food
Cal - 1287 c - 4.7 p - 118 f - 85

July 6 morning -- 1.0
Previous day's food
Cal - 1639 c - 9.3 p - 153 f - 102

July 7 morning -- 1.2
Previous day's food
Cal -1549 c - 2.7 p - 164 f - 93

July 8 morning -- 1.7
Previous day's food
Cal - 996 c - 9.6 p - 62 f - 79


I can't find a rhyme or reason with this data, but I also wasn't particularly scientific. I ate out, I ate at home, I varied every macronutrient every day, and my calories were also all over the map. So I don't have a clear understanding of what definitely affects my ketone levels, but I do know that what I'm doing is working, so I'm going to keep moving forward and not change a thing.

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I think it might mean that you are adapted.... your preferential fuel source is now fat. You are showing ketones and their levels are more to do with energy partitioning.

I have seen mine fluctuate in a similar way to yours and it doesn't seem to do with protein consumed or carbs (which are almost always pretty much within my ranges) and the only other differences may be how well I slept or I may have done more physical activity ... that kind of thing.
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After 6+ months in ketosis, I'm definitely keto-adapted, but it's interesting that at this point wildly fluctuating amounts of protein (with steady carbs) has almost no effect on blood ketone levels. I'm fascinated by that.

As for other factors, I wish I had known so I could chart that too. For medical reasons, I am not allowed exercise beyond a slow walk, I am on several meds per day, and never sleep well, even with sleeping pills. There are variations within that, of course.
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After 6+ months in ketosis, I'm definitely keto-adapted, but it's interesting that at this point wildly fluctuating amounts of protein (with steady carbs) has almost no effect on blood ketone levels. I'm fascinated by that.

As for other factors, I wish I had known so I could chart that too. For medical reasons, I am not allowed exercise beyond a slow walk, I am on several meds per day, and never sleep well, even with sleeping pills. There are variations within that, of course.
Well you are losing and your friend noticed, so I wouldn't question it!
My science experiment showed 8 more ounces of wine and still BG of 1.2 this morning, however Blood Sugar was 105! Weight was DOWN another 1/4 pound! No more wine tonight tho!
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:32 PM   #57
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There isn't a pattern that stands out, is there. Not even some odd combination of relatively low calories with a particular protein:fat ratio. It's so interesting

Thank you for continuing to share your data, Ntombi.

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After 6+ months in ketosis, I'm definitely keto-adapted, but it's interesting that at this point wildly fluctuating amounts of protein (with steady carbs) has almost no effect on blood ketone levels. I'm fascinated by that.

As for other factors, I wish I had known so I could chart that too. For medical reasons, I am not allowed exercise beyond a slow walk, I am on several meds per day, and never sleep well, even with sleeping pills. There are variations within that, of course.
I am sure you are right about being keto adapted - no doubt! Just for those that may not understand n.k. and reading this comment, this is not necessarily the case. Some people can be doing an Atkins woe and not be in ketosis.

When I think of fuel partitioning, I think there a a kazillion things that we fail to recognize as requiring extra or less on a daily basis. For example, it has been really hot here lately and I am pretty sure that I will be using more energy to keep my core at the right temp. I twisted my ankle last week and that requires that I walk less (too painful), and so on.... I think it may explain the variations. Maybe I am over analyzing.....
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I don't think you're overanalyzing, I think we're in the infancy of NK research.

Even though I didn't weigh my food yesterday, I definitely ate on the higher end of protein intake, plus I had a serving and a half of greens, along with some other carbs (still under 20g total). This morning, my reading was down to 0.5. Still in the zone, but definitely good to know.

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It's plain that you have some degree of latitude with your protein intake, Ntombi (or so it seems).

And yes - it's all very much in the infancy of seeing people's personal data. And it's the personal data and its application that will eventually push this more mainstream, when people know what to expect and can get over the feeling that such Quantified Self monitoring is inappropriate or doesn't yield enough useful information.
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