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Old 06-11-2013, 08:26 AM   #1
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How or do you count coconut oil?

This may seem obvious or maybe not.... I wonder how people count their consumption of coconut oil? The reason I ask is that it is a different kind of oil (mct) and maybe that makes a difference when it comes to macros?

Another reason is that it is considered a supplement to some and that might change the thinking?

I have been counting it and it figures in rather high on the fat consumption (14g per tbsp.).
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That's a very interesting question. It's kind of what it's said in the book about yogurt - to count only 5 grams of carbs per cup, not what's stated in the nutritional label...

I love coconut oil straight from the jar... the texture and flavor are pretty awesome to me
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Hi Clackley! I just started using coconut oil Saturday, and i count it as food. Even though it's a tropical oil and has some special properties, it is still food if you eat it that is lol.

14g fat for 1 tbsp is the same amount as other oils since that number is based on weight.

However, it has the highest saturated fat of any oil (96%) so saturated fat is 12g per tbsp whereas olive oil for example only has 2g per tbsp
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people play all sorts of games on what to "count" and what not to... I don't see any reason to think you should count less than the stated fat grams. it's food and you digest it. we have to make healthy choices even though it leaves us fewer calories for other things... *sigh*
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The thing about co that might make it a bit different is how it is converted to energy.

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Medium-chain triglycerides in coconut oil are smaller than other fats and, therefore, digest very quickly, so quickly in fact, that the body uses them as an immediate source of fuel rather than pack them away in storage inside our fat cells. MCT are used to produce energy much like carbohydrates and, therefore, they do not circulate in the bloodstream like other fats. For this reason, they do not supply fat to fat cells or contribute to weight gain.
This is one explanation on the differences between mct oil and other oils with long chain triglycerides. It makes a difference but I guess this might be over thinking it as well. It just occurs to me now and again and have never come to a conclusion.
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Cathy, are you asking if you should log the calories or if you should log the fat grams?

I'm not sure what your question is.
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No, I do log everything other than actual pill form supplements but I was considering upping my consumption of c.o. and that raises my my nutrient levels of fat and I am trying not to do that and thought it might not be just given that c.o. is metabolized differently from other types of fats. Just making things more complicated ...
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No, I do log everything other than actual pill form supplements but I was considering upping my consumption of c.o. and that raises my my nutrient levels of fat and I am trying not to do that and thought it might not be just given that c.o. is metabolized differently from other types of fats. Just making things more complicated ...
I think this would be a good question for the authors of the book. Like I said before, they tell you to modify how you log yogurt, what if CO has a similar consideration? no?
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I think this would be a good question for the authors of the book. Like I said before, they tell you to modify how you log yogurt, what if CO has a similar consideration? no?
Yes, I agree. Grouping foods into 3 groups of macro nutrients is pretty basic to say the least. I think there are major differences on metabolism within each group. For instance, seed oils are hardly the same thing as coconut oil.

I guess the obvious answer would be to not be so stringent and just try upping the c.o. and see what happens. In fact, that is what I am going to do!!
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Are you saying co shouldn't count towards the fat ratios? Or that they don't help with ketosis?
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I just log it as is. I have a wide enough range of calories I can work with (1250-1800) that a teaspoon at every meal doesnt add much.
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Are you saying co shouldn't count towards the fat ratios? Or that they don't help with ketosis?
I was suggesting that it might be counted as a supplement and therefore not included in the daily macro nutients. I most definitely think c.o. helps with ketosis!
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I pretty much only use CO in cooking/baking (as well as fat bombs).

I just log it. I'm not fussed about calories so much anyway as I find I am naturally hovering between 1300-1400 anyway. If my body treats it differently, that's a bonus

But then, I have read the book....
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So yes or no-- count the calories in CO? Yes or No - count as food?
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I don't think there is a definitive answer. I am not so concerned about calories but with the fat grams. Dr. Pinney says that once carbs and protein are in the proper range and weight loss is still not happening - then cut back on fat. It appears I am not losing weight any longer and have tried cutting fat to no avail.. I am now upping my c.o. consumption and including it in my fat grams. Trying to keep everything else equal..... time will tell.
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I pretty much only use CO in cooking/baking (as well as fat bombs).

I just log it. I'm not fussed about calories so much anyway as I find I am naturally hovering between 1300-1400 anyway. If my body treats it differently, that's a bonus

But then, I have read the book....
Just reread this...I meant to say I haven't read the book!! Sorry!
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Cathy, I found this info on the metabolism of MCT.

Exercise Physiology: Nutrition, Energy, and Human Performance - William D. McArdle, Frank I. Katch, Victor L. Katch - Google Books

It basically says the MCTs are absorbed and metabolised without being repackaged. They are absorbed into the blood and taken up by the cell mitochondria and used for energy first. So, they are like alcohol and glucose and metabolized immediately.

The take away for me is that they quick calories and everything else will be put on hold until the are used up.
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Thanks Drjlo!! Nice to 'see' you btw! I had read this about mct oil and that was the basis of my questioning how to properly account for it. I agree that they are preferred.

I have upped my co by having 2 bpc instead of 1 and have seen the scale not react so far but it is still early. I have now upped my fat grams effectively so time will tell.
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Cathy, I found this info on the metabolism of MCT.

Exercise Physiology: Nutrition, Energy, and Human Performance - William D. McArdle, Frank I. Katch, Victor L. Katch - Google Books

It basically says the MCTs are absorbed and metabolised without being repackaged. They are absorbed into the blood and taken up by the cell mitochondria and used for energy first. So, they are like alcohol and glucose and metabolized immediately.

The take away for me is that they quick calories and everything else will be put on hold until the are used up.
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I pretty much only use CO in cooking/baking (as well as fat bombs).

I just log it. I'm not fussed about calories so much anyway as I find I am naturally hovering between 1300-1400 anyway. If my body treats it differently, that's a bonus

But then, I have read the book....

I am with you about not worrying about counting the calories. I just make sure that I get enough fat and calories. I find it pretty hard to overeat, as long as I limit my carbs and protein.
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I am with you about not worrying about counting the calories. I just make sure that I get enough fat and calories. I find it pretty hard to overeat, as long as I limit my carbs and protein.
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Cathy, I found this info on the metabolism of MCT.

Exercise Physiology: Nutrition, Energy, and Human Performance - William D. McArdle, Frank I. Katch, Victor L. Katch - Google Books

It basically says the MCTs are absorbed and metabolised without being repackaged. They are absorbed into the blood and taken up by the cell mitochondria and used for energy first. So, they are like alcohol and glucose and metabolized immediately.

The take away for me is that they quick calories and everything else will be put on hold until the are used up.
I am a bit confused by the comparison with alcohol. My understand that alcohol forestalls ketosis yet I am reading here that MCT helps with ketosis. ??
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This may seem obvious or maybe not.... I wonder how people count their consumption of coconut oil? The reason I ask is that it is a different kind of oil (mct) and maybe that makes a difference when it comes to macros?

Another reason is that it is considered a supplement to some and that might change the thinking?

I have been counting it and it figures in rather high on the fat consumption (14g per tbsp.).
I don't count my fat. I count my carbs and protein, and eat the rest of my food in fat. My body tells me when I have had enough. I was going to delete this post, but they won't let me. It seems that I already posted this previously.
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Darn, seem to be losing a lot of posts the last couple of days.
Thanks for the link, drj I am still confused how mct being burned first (preferred fuel much as alcohol) helps with weight loss. Alcohol is said to delay ketosis. If MCT oil has the same preferred fuel status (and that is what I understand from the article), how does this help with weight loss? Don't we want to burn body fat rather than alcohol or MCT oil?
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That article got me to thinking....I went to Pub Med and typed in "MCT oil and weight loss" and there are a gazillion studies I can read. I think I'll do a little reading on ketosis also.
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That would be great Annette. I am time stretched for the next several weeks but really curious to understand this better. One question I have that maybe someone could answer now is the difference between regular unrefined coconut oil and the MCT oil that I buy from Netrition that comes in a bottle and always stays liquid. CO is a medium chain trigliceride . . . but what is the advantage of me consuming MCT oil (other than it works better in iced coffee)? Would I be better in terms of getting into fat burning mode if I always used MCT oil in my coffee instead of my regular unrefined CO? So many questions and so little time.
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Coconut oil is 65% MCTs and the rest is saturated fat.

The MCT you buy at Netrition is pure medium chain triglycerides and no saturated fats.
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Cool, thanks drjlocarb, that's a bit of info that I needed.
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