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rotay60 04-19-2013 05:51 AM

Another question...
 
I am reading and watching a lot of videos regarding this woe, however, I have not seen this answered:

How is this so different from Atkins? I see the carbs are a bit higher at the start, maybe less protein????

Just wondering. Thanks

raindroproses 04-19-2013 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rotay60 (Post 16382135)
I am reading and watching a lot of videos regarding this woe, however, I have not seen this answered:

How is this so different from Atkins? I see the carbs are a bit higher at the start, maybe less protein????

Just wondering. Thanks

Well, for one I know Atkins subtracts fiber and sugar alcohols while NK does not and it only looks at the TOTAL carbs... of course I don't think Atkins 72 subtracts fiber either, but I could be wrong there. I don't follow it :)

Also, I don't believe Atkins has to be high fat. Certainly moderate fat at least because LC is not generally supposed to be a low fat diet... but I do think Atkins tends to have a bit more moderate fat in exchange for more carbs for the non 72 plan (since you're not counting fiber) and for more protein more than likely.

We also don't have a carb ladder either, and don't exclude ourselves from certain types of food at different stages only to add them back in later. With NK it seems like you either eat things within your allowance of total carbs for the day, or you don't. Does that make sense? :)

Most of our focus is on keeping the fat up, and monitoring protein intake... at least that's how my focus skews. I keep my carbs lower than most on Atkins, at under 20 a day every day TOTAL. Not deducting fiber. So what I'm doing looks more like an extended, very strict induction pretty much :)

Some of us test urine or blood ketones as well to keep track of how our body is producing them, and how deeply we're in ketosis and often tweak our diets to promote higher ketone production too.

I've never actually looked into the Eat Fat Get Thin diet yet, but from the name I always assumed THAT diet was pretty close to what we're doing with NK... but heck, for all I know it might be completely different too :laugh:

drjlocarb 04-19-2013 07:19 AM

Atkins is a ketogenic diet that will work for most people by lowering carb levels. When/if that is no longer working, NK is a tool that gives you a chance to monitor how different tweeks and dietary changes will change your ketosis status. Most people can lose without the restriction and testing of NK.

NK is more precise in the amount of carbs, protein, and calories(fat) needed to get blood ketones in a defined range of 0.5-3.0 and lose weight.

Although some people can lose weight without being in this strict ketone range, others need to test and change things methodically to achieve the ever elusive weight loss zone. It is helpful for those who can't lose without testing to see IF they are really in ketosis and the fat burning process is optimized. It is also helpful for those who are exercising to optimise performance.

reddarin 04-19-2013 08:32 AM

Read this thread Rotay60:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/nu...-v-atkins.html

rotay60 04-19-2013 09:48 AM

Thanks so much for the responses. This has helped a bunch, especially the thread that reddarin shared.

clackley 04-19-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by drjlocarb (Post 16382312)
Atkins is a ketogenic diet that will work for most people by lowering carb levels. When/if that is no longer working, NK is a tool that gives you a chance to monitor how different tweeks and dietary changes will change your ketosis status. Most people can lose without the restriction and testing of NK.

NK is more precise in the amount of carbs, protein, and calories(fat) needed to get blood ketones in a defined range of 0.5-3.0 and lose weight.

Although some people can lose weight without being in this strict ketone range, others need to test and change things methodically to achieve the ever elusive weight loss zone. It is helpful for those who can't lose without testing to see IF they are really in ketosis and the fat burning process is optimized. It is also helpful for those who are exercising to optimise performance.

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Punkin 04-20-2013 08:16 PM

I don't know if just following the rules of NK alone though will be better for weight loss even if atkins doesn't work for some people. The Moore and Phinney long term stalls podcast is very enlightening. The testing is probably necessary to really determine if you are in ketosis.


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