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Old 04-17-2013, 11:11 PM   #1
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I do not get Coconut Oil

Help me please! I tried in cocoa crack and gained. So I set it to the side. I tried cooking with it and Meh plus it's inconveniently packaged. I don't seem to have an issue with HWC, I have that in my coffee. Why do I want to keep finding ways to use this?

Honestly I'm opened minded, but I just don't get it. What am I missing?
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You probably gained from an excess in calories I'd assume... maybe you ate too much of it and/or didn't count it? It's VERY calorie laden, but it's supposedly thermogenic so it works to actually burn fat for us if we don't overdo it. Coconut oil is also highly ketogenic, and many people report their blood ketones go up after they eat it which is obviously a fantastic thing too. You can also google "health benefits of coconut oil" or do a search on this forum for coconut oil and see the many medicinal properties it has... to name a few, it helps clear up candida, is fantastic for our teeth and gums, and is a natural moisturizer.

Most people use HWC along with EVCO in their coffee... that's one variation on bulletproof tea and a great way to get the benefits of coconut oil in when you're on a high fat diet. I enjoy cooking with it too, but if you're put off by the coconut flavor in it try buying refined oil for cooking. It doesn't have any coconut flavor at all

I do also use it in fat bombs (the coconut flavored one, but I'm a big coconut fan!) and also just sometimes straight off of a spoon like last night when I didn't want to mix it into anything but still wanted the benefit.

Many people find that when they include coconut oil as part of their diet (and count the calories into their daily plan) they start to lose more rapidly... I'd assume this is especially true for those following NK because we rely so heavily on the extra fat to produce higher levels of ketones, which in turn burn more fat.

IMO coconut oil is fantastic... hopefully you can find some ways of using it to start reaping the benefits too!
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A friend of mine uses it for oil pulling (google it) she swears by it

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You probably gained from an excess in calories I'd assume... maybe you ate too much of it and/or didn't count it? It's VERY calorie laden, but it's supposedly thermogenic so it works to actually burn fat for us if we don't overdo it. Coconut oil is also highly ketogenic, and many people report their blood ketones go up after they eat it which is obviously a fantastic thing too. You can also google "health benefits of coconut oil" or do a search on this forum for coconut oil and see the many medicinal properties it has... to name a few, it helps clear up candida, is fantastic for our teeth and gums, and is a natural moisturizer.

Most people use HWC along with EVCO in their coffee... that's one variation on bulletproof tea and a great way to get the benefits of coconut oil in when you're on a high fat diet. I enjoy cooking with it too, but if you're put off by the coconut flavor in it try buying refined oil for cooking. It doesn't have any coconut flavor at all

I do also use it in fat bombs (the coconut flavored one, but I'm a big coconut fan!) and also just sometimes straight off of a spoon like last night when I didn't want to mix it into anything but still wanted the benefit.

Many people find that when they include coconut oil as part of their diet (and count the calories into their daily plan) they start to lose more rapidly... I'd assume this is especially true for those following NK because we rely so heavily on the extra fat to produce higher levels of ketones, which in turn burn more fat.

IMO coconut oil is fantastic... hopefully you can find some ways of using it to start reaping the benefits too!
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That's the thing I don't get, if it's producing ketones then you can't be burning body fat, so how is that good?
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A friend of mine uses it for oil pulling (google it) she swears by it
Yep, that was part of the teeth/gums benefit I mentioned I've tried it and hated sitting there that long doing it... I guess I have some tendency to want to swallow everything that's in my mouth after a certain portion of time or something, because I found it hard to keep swishing and not swallow

I know some people also use it in homemade toothpastes though for a similar effect!
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Yep, that was part of the teeth/gums benefit I mentioned I've tried it and hated sitting there that long doing it... I guess I have some tendency to want to swallow everything that's in my mouth after a certain portion of time or something, because I found it hard to keep swishing and not swallow

I know some people also use it in homemade toothpastes though for a similar effect!
I tried it, it made me gag
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I find CO awkward to use. If a recipe calls for 1 T, then I have to use one spoon to dig it out of the jar and then, I have to use my fingers to mash it into the tablespoon measure. Messy! And not very accurate.

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I find CO awkward to use. If a recipe calls for 1 T, then I have to use one spoon to dig it out of the jar and then, I have to use my fingers to mash it into the tablespoon measure. Messy! And not very accurate.

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A lot of people either microwave their jars to liquefy it (works if it's glass, or you're not worried about microwaving plastic), or they sit the jar in hot water for a while so some melts and then they pour it out to measure it.

I just scoop it with a tablespoon measure myself for the most part... I find it to be accurate enough, and have never had trouble with gains since doing it
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I hear ya, Teri!!!

I've tried for years to incorporate CO into my diet, but I find it inconvenient (hard to dig out of the jar, like Glenn says) and it's never noticeably helped my weight loss.
My son and I only like it for a couple things--melted on popcorn or to fry veggies for curry.
(I've been putting it in fat bombs lately. But not enough to overwhelm the peanut butter flavor...we don't like sweet coconut, only salty or spicy coconut.)

I use canned coconut milk when I feel like having coconut.
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You probably gained from an excess in calories I'd assume... maybe you ate too much of it and/or didn't count it? It's VERY calorie laden, but it's supposedly thermogenic so it works to actually burn fat for us if we don't overdo it. Coconut oil is also highly ketogenic, and many people report their blood ketones go up after they eat it which is obviously a fantastic thing too. You can also google "health benefits of coconut oil" or do a search on this forum for coconut oil and see the many medicinal properties it has... to name a few, it helps clear up candida, is fantastic for our teeth and gums, and is a natural moisturizer.

Most people use HWC along with EVCO in their coffee... that's one variation on bulletproof tea and a great way to get the benefits of coconut oil in when you're on a high fat diet. I enjoy cooking with it too, but if you're put off by the coconut flavor in it try buying refined oil for cooking. It doesn't have any coconut flavor at all

I do also use it in fat bombs (the coconut flavored one, but I'm a big coconut fan!) and also just sometimes straight off of a spoon like last night when I didn't want to mix it into anything but still wanted the benefit.

Many people find that when they include coconut oil as part of their diet (and count the calories into their daily plan) they start to lose more rapidly... I'd assume this is especially true for those following NK because we rely so heavily on the extra fat to produce higher levels of ketones, which in turn burn more fat.

IMO coconut oil is fantastic... hopefully you can find some ways of using it to start reaping the benefits too!
Thanks for your thoughtful response. I'll keep using it. I got the refined one so it doesn't really have any taste. And yes I probably ate too much crack

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I hear ya, Teri!!!

I've tried for years to incorporate CO into my diet, but I find it inconvenient (hard to dig out of the jar, like Glenn says) and it's never noticeably helped my weight loss.
My son and I only like it for a couple things--melted on popcorn or to fry veggies for curry.
(I've been putting it in fat bombs lately. But not enough to overwhelm the peanut butter flavor...we don't like sweet coconut, only salty or spicy coconut.)

I use canned coconut milk when I feel like having coconut.
Thanks Jenny. Nice to know it's not just me.
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Perfect Deb,

If ya know, How did oil pulling help your friend. I have read it is very healthy. I tried it a few times but Maybe not long enough to see the advantages.
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That's the thing I don't get, if it's producing ketones then you can't be burning body fat, so how is that good?
Ketones that come from CO won't stop body fat ketone production Deb
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Coconut oil doesn't need refrigeration. It is shelf stable for 2 years. You can soften or melt it in the microwave if needed. Put some in a mason jar if that is more convenient for daily use.
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Ketones that come from CO won't stop body fat ketone production Deb
But your body needs a finite amount of energy (without going down the energy in/ energy out road), if your body is using the energy from the CO won't it utilise that before burning body fat stores?
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But your body needs a finite amount of energy (without going down the energy in/ energy out road), if your body is using the energy from the CO won't it utilise that before burning body fat stores?
No more so than any other calorie you might eat. Right? If you are eating at a 500 calorie deficit and losing weight it wouldn't matter if all of your calories up to that deficit level were from exclusively from CO.

If you are at a deficit for energy, even on a mainstream woe, your body is going to harvest adipose tissue for energy (metabolic issues aside) because you need the energy.
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Coconut oil doesn't need refrigeration. It is shelf stable for 2 years. You can soften or melt it in the microwave if needed. Put some in a mason jar if that is more convenient for daily use.
That's a great idea! Thanks for the tip I have the plastic jarred kind, so I was occasionally soaking it in hot water until I got sick of it and started scooping it out as a semi-solid into a spoon
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No more so than any other calorie you might eat. Right? If you are eating at a 500 calorie deficit and losing weight it wouldn't matter if all of your calories up to that deficit level were from exclusively from CO.

If you are at a deficit for energy, even on a mainstream woe, your body is going to harvest adipose tissue for energy (metabolic issues aside) because you need the energy.
right, so you have to allow that CO is really energy dense and not overdo it yes?
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right, so you have to allow that CO is really energy dense and not overdo it yes?
Yes. I eat a lot of CO every day but I certainly count the calories. If I eat a lot of other calorie rich food I'll reduce the amount of CO to compensate.
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Coconut oil also helps keep a person in the state of ketosis which of course, is key.

Here is a little article on why coconut oil is desirable...

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Health Benefits of Coconut Oil

The health benefits of coconut oil include hair care, skin care, stress relief, maintaining cholesterol levels, weight loss, increased immunity, proper digestion and metabolism, relief from kidney problems, heart diseases, high blood pressure, diabetes, HIV and cancer, dental care, and bone strength. These benefits of oil can be attributed to the presence of lauric acid, capric acid and caprylic acid, and its properties such as antimicrobial, antioxidant, antifungal, antibacterial and soothing properties.

Coconut oil is used extensively in tropical countries especially India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Phillipines etc, which have a good production of coconut oil. The oil was also once popular in western countries such as United States and Canada; however, there was a strong propoganda in 1970s spread by the corn oil and soy oil industry against coconut oil. Coconut oil was considered harmful for the human body due to its high saturated fat content till the last decade (2000s) when people started questioning this propoganda. Let us get into some details of how coconut oil works for our body.

How is lauric acid used by our body?

The human body converts lauric acid into monolaurin which is claimed to help in dealing with viruses and bacteria causing diseases such as herpes, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and even HIV. It helps in fighting harmful bacteria such as listeria monocytogenes and helicobacter pylori, and harmful protozoa such as giardia lamblia. As a result of these various health benefits of coconut oil, though its exact mechanism of action was unknown, it has been extensively used in Ayurveda, the traditional Indian medicinal system. The Coconut Research Center has compiled various benefits in both traditional and modern medicine.



Before we move on to the benefits of coconut oil in detail, let us understand its composition.

Composition of Coconut Oil:

Coconut oil consists of more than ninety percent of saturated fats (Don’t panic! First read to the last word. Your opinion may change), with traces of few unsaturated fatty acids, such as monounsaturated fatty acids and polyunsaturated fatty acids. Virgin coconut oil is no different from this. Let us have a bit detailed study of this..

Saturated fatty acids: Most of them are medium chain triglycerides, which are supposed to assimilate well. Lauric acid is the chief contributor, with more than forty percent of the share, followed by capric acid, caprylic acid, myristic acid and palmitic.

Polyunsaturated fatty acids: Linoleic acid.

Monounsaturated fatty acids: Oleic acid.

Poly-phenols: Coconut contains gallic acid, which is phenolic acid. These poly-phenols are supposed to be responsible for the fragrance and the taste of coconut oil and Virgin Coconut Oil is rich in these poly-phenols.

Certain derivatives of fatty acid like betaines, ethanolamide, ethoxylates, fatty esters, fatty polysorbates, monoglycerides and polyol esters.

Fatty chlorides, fatty alcohol sulphate and fatty alcohol ether sulphate, all of which are derivatives of fatty alcohols.

Vitamin-E and vitamin K and minerals such as Iron.

Health benefits of coconut oil

Let us now explore the benefits of coconut oil in detail:

Hair care:

Coconut oil is one of the best natural nutrition for hair. It helps in healthy growth of hair providing them a shiny complexion. It is effective in reducing the protein loss for damaged and undamaged hair.

Coconut oil is extensively used in the Indian sub-continent for hair care. Most of the people in these countries apply coconut oil on their hair daily after bath. It is an excellent conditioner and helps in the re-growth of damaged hair. It also provides the essential proteins required for nourishing damaged hair. Research study indicates that coconut oil provides better protection to hair from damage caused by hygral fatigue.

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Regular head massage with coconut oil ensures that your scalp is free of dandruff, even if your scalp is dry. It also helps in keeping hair and scalp free from lice and lice eggs.

It is therefore used as hair care oil and used in manufacturing various conditioners, and dandruff relief creams. Coconut oil is normally applied topically for hair care.

Skin care

Coconut oil is excellent massage oil for the skin as well. It acts as an effective moisturizer on all types of skins including dry skin. The benefit of coconut oil on the skin is comparable to that of mineral oil. Further, unlike mineral oil, there is no chance of having any adverse side effects on the skin with the application of coconut oil. Coconut oil therefore is a safe solution for preventing dryness and flaking of skin. It also delays wrinkles, and sagging of skin which normally become prominent with age. Coconut oil also helps in treating various skin problems including psoriasis, dermatitis, eczema and other skin infections. Therefore coconut oil forms the basic ingredient of various body care products such as soaps, lotions, creams, etc., used for skin care. Coconut oil also helps in preventing premature aging and degenerative diseases due to its antioxidant properties.

Heart diseases

There is a misconception spread among many people that coconut oil is not good for the heart. This is because it contains a large quantity of saturated fats. However, coconut oil is beneficial for the heart. It contains about 50% lauric acid, which helps in preventing various heart problems including high cholesterol levels and high blood pressure. The saturated fats present in coconut oil are not harmful as it happens in case of other vegetables oils. It does not lead to increase in LDL levels. It also reduces the incidence of injury in arteries and therefore helps in preventing atherosclerosis.

Weight loss

Coconut oil is very useful in reducing weight. It contains short and medium-chain fatty acids that help in taking off excessive weight. It is also easy to digest and it helps in healthy functioning of the thyroid and enzymes systems. Further, it increases the body metabolism by removing stress on pancreases, thereby burning out more energy and helping obese and overweight people reduce their weight. Hence, people living in tropical coastal areas, who eat coconut oil daily as their primary cooking oil, are normally not fat, obese or overweight.

Digestion

Internal use of coconut oil occurs primarily as cooking oil. Coconut oil helps in improving the digestive system and thus prevents various stomach and digestion related problems including irritable bowel syndrome. The saturated fats present in coconut oil have anti microbial properties and help in dealing with various bacteria, fungi, parasites, etc., that cause indigestion. Coconut oil also helps in absorption of other nutrients such as vitamins, minerals and amino acids.

Immunity

Coconut oil is also good for the immune system. It strengthens the immune system as it contains antimicrobial lipids, lauric acid, capric acid and caprylic acid which have antifungal, antibacterial and antiviral properties. The human body converts lauric acid into monolaurin which is claimed to help in dealing with viruses and bacteria causing diseases such as herpes, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and even HIV. It helps in fighting harmful bacteria such as listeria monocytogenes and heliobacter pylori, and harmful protozoa such as giardia lamblia.

Healing and infections

When applied on infections, it forms a chemical layer which protects the infected body part from external dust, air, fungi, bacteria and virus. Coconut oil is most effective on bruises as it speeds up the healing process by repairing damaged tissues.

Infections: Coconut oil is very effective against a variety of infections due to its antifungal, antiviral, and antibacterial properties. According to the Coconut Research Center, coconut oil kills viruses that cause influenza, measles, hepatitis, herpes, SARS, etc. It also kills bacteria that cause ulcers, throat infections, urinary tract infections, pneumonia, and gonorrhea, etc. Coconut oil is also effective on fungi and yeast that cause candidiasis, ringworm, athlete's foot, thrush, diaper rash, etc.

Other

Coconut oil is strongly recommended for other benefits which are given below. Usage of coconut oils mildly helps for the following:

Liver: The presence of medium chain triglycerides and fatty acids helps in preventing liver diseases as they substances are easily converted into energy when they reach the liver, thus reducing work load on the liver and also preventing accumulation of fat.

Kidney: Coconut oil helps in preventing kidney and gall bladder diseases. It also helps in dissolving kidney stones.

Pancreatitis: Coconut oil is also believed to be useful in treating pancreatitis.

Stress relief: Coconut oil is very soothing and hence it helps in removing stress. Applying coconut oil to the head followed with a gentle massage helps in removing mental fatigue.

Diabetes: Coconut oil helps in controlling blood sugar, and improves the secretion of insulin. It also helps in effective utilization of blood glucose, thereby preventing and treating diabetes.

Bones: As mentioned earlier, coconut oil improves the ability of our body to absorb important minerals. These include calcium and magnesium which are necessary for development of bones. Thus coconut oil is very useful to women who are prone to osteoporosis after middle age.

Dental care: Calcium is an important element present in teeth. Since coconut oil facilitates absorption of calcium by the body, it helps in getting strong teeth. Coconut oil also stops tooth decay.

HIV and cancer: It is believed that coconut oil plays an instrumental role in reducing viral susceptibility of HIV and cancer patients. Preliminary research has shown indications of the effect of coconut oil on reducing the viral load of HIV patients (Reference).

Finally, coconut oil is often preferred by athletes and body builders and by those who are dieting. The reason behind this being that coconut oil contains lesser calories than other oils, its fat content is easily converted into energy and it does not lead to accumulation of fat in the heart and arteries. Coconut oil helps in boosting energy and endurance, and enhances the performance of athletes.

Coconut oil and Alzheimer's disease: There are reports of research conducted by Dr. Newport stating that coconut oil is useful for treating Alzheimer's disease. Apart from this there is no scientific evidence or traditional knowledge or coconut oil being used for treating Alzheimer's. It was also not known traditionally that coconut oil helps in the brain function.

Why is coconut oil solid?: Unlike most other oils, coconut oil has a high melting point - about 24 to 25 degress Celcius or 76-78 Farenheit. Therefore it is solid at room temperature and melts only when the temperatures go high. Hence, if you buy a bottle of coconut oil and find it solid, don't think that there is some problem with it. Coconut oil is like this only. And of course, don't keep it in your refrigerator.

How to use coconut oil?: If you are using coconut oil for topical purposes, especially hair care, just melt the oil (if it is solid) by keeping the bottle in the sun or warm water. You can also take some coconut oil out and put it in a small bowl and heat the bowl over a flame (do not use microwave). Then take the oil on your palm and apply it to your hair. If you want to use it for internal consumption, simply replace butter or vegetable oils with coconut oil in your recipes. Remember, you need not switch to coconut oil completely, as you will miss the benefits of other oils and dairy products.

Can I use coconut oil for cooking?: Yes, in most of the tropical coastal regions, people use coconut oil for coooking.

I don't like the taste of coconut oil. What Should I do?: Try using coconut oil in some different recipe. That may help. If you get nauseated after eating coconut oil, don't force yourself. As it happens with any other food item, your body may be allergic to coconut oil and it is best not to consume it.

This article is written by Kiran Patil(copied from 'organicfacts')
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right, so you have to allow that CO is really energy dense and not overdo it yes?
Coconut oil is energy dense just the same way as nuts or cheese is energy dense. Thankfully, I don't sit down with a spoon and hoover a jar of CO like I do nuts.

Also, whenever I take a tablespoon of CO, I get a crazy energy surge. So I like to take some before I work out.

CO in coffee is just about the grossest thing I've ever tasted, though. Try it different ways.
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Cathy,
That is an awesome article and totally answers my questions. Thank you so much for taking to time to post this.

I think for me, I'll make an effort to use it more in cooking as the benefits are over whelming. For the time being, as I seem to have plenty of other good fats in my diet and I've had problems with gaining on it before, I don't think I'll step it up to BPC, etc.

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I love coconut oil. I could compose sonnets to coconut oil! Oh, coconut oil, how I adore you...

I used to have this terrible skin problem on my hands. I'd get rashes on them and they'd crack and bleed and sometimes get infected. It was just awful. I saw multiple doctors and tried just about every ointment on the market and nothing helped. Finally I started taking coconut oil (both internally and directly on my hands) and guess what?

It cleared up ENTIRELY! I haven't had a problem with my hands since I discovered coconut oil!

Also, before I started using coconut oil in my coffee, I was on three different kinds of anxiety medication. Now I'm down to one and the smallest possible dose for that, too.

I keep mine in a glass jar and pop it into the microwave if it gets too hard to scoop -- but we keep our house pretty warm so that's generally not a problem.
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I am going to be the dissenting opinion. Sorry!

I've made 3 attempts to incorporate CO into my diet. The health claims alone are reason to try! Not to mention how yummy it is!!

I have gained weight each and every time. I've done controlled trials (I'm a scientist) where I continue to eat "normally" with only CO as the "new" item, and even on small doeses (1 tbsp in my coffee) I gain weight. Even adjusting my calories so they do NOT increase, I gained. It does defy logic, but as with many weight gain/loss equations, it doesn't always make sense. Sigh. We each need to experiment and find what works for *us*.

I know it's rare, but there are some of us out there who gain from CO. I'm not sharing this to discourage you from trying to incorporate it into your diet, or to undermine the success so many have had with it. But, to let you know, that if you find yourself gaining weight from it, you're not alone.
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I am going to be the dissenting opinion. Sorry!

I've made 3 attempts to incorporate CO into my diet. The health claims alone are reason to try! Not to mention how yummy it is!!

I have gained weight each and every time. I've done controlled trials (I'm a scientist) where I continue to eat "normally" with only CO as the "new" item, and even on small doeses (1 tbsp in my coffee) I gain weight. Even adjusting my calories so they do NOT increase, I gained. It does defy logic, but as with many weight gain/loss equations, it doesn't always make sense. Sigh. We each need to experiment and find what works for *us*.

I know it's rare, but there are some of us out there who gain from CO. I'm not sharing this to discourage you from trying to incorporate it into your diet, or to undermine the success so many have had with it. But, to let you know, that if you find yourself gaining weight from it, you're not alone.
Did you notice a change in how hungry you were?

CO makes me hungry

I remember months ago there was another thread about it too. Either a weight gain or increased hunger or both.
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