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Old 04-15-2013, 07:26 AM   #931
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:27 AM   #932
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Aww thanks! I came home to find my blood ketone meter waiting for me too, so that was exciting! I didn't think it was going to come in that fast I haven't checked it out yet because I'm kind of intimidated and I want to give my levels a bit longer to build back up again from the hormonal disturbances of the past week... but it'll be interesting to check my blood ketone levels rather than using the other strips for a change when I work myself up to actually do it!
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:28 AM   #933
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What is your ideal weight Deb? I can't recall off hand.

Low protein won't stall you. If anything it might trick you into thinking you are losing fat when you are losing some fat and too much LBM.
85kgs for a start, I'm at 101kgs now, I'm down about 11kgs so far but it's either slowing or stopping - I really boosted my fat the other day and that caused a drop but it's not consistent, that's why did a careful calc today
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85kgs for a start, I'm at 101kgs now, I'm down about 11kgs so far but it's either slowing or stopping - I really boosted my fat the other day and that caused a drop but it's not consistent, that's why did a careful calc today
You cannot calculate protein with intermediate weight goals Deb, it needs to be based on ideal weight. Say you weigh 300 pounds and your ideal weight is 200 pounds but your intermediate goal is 250 pounds. Using 250 to calculate protein, instead of the ideal weight of 200, gives you 34g more protein than you need which is a substantial amount of extra protein. Extra protein can't be stored it has to be converted to glucose.

There is a gray area there, though, I think. Exactly how much protein is too much is per individual and the window slides a little too (I think).

Using 85kg your protein grams were .83/kg which is too low. But if your ideal weight is 75kg the per kg amount shoots up to .94/kg. Still a little low but way better than knocking on .8's door.

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Old 04-15-2013, 07:45 AM   #935
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Weigh-in this morning ... 195.3! New low. I had that 3600 calorie day three days ago but the last two days I ate ~2000 calories so the average was ~2400 across the three days.
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Weigh-in this morning ... 195.3! New low. I had that 3600 calorie day three days ago but the last two days I ate ~2000 calories so the average was ~2400 across the three days.
congrats on the new low!
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You cannot calculate protein with intermediate weight goals Deb, it needs to be based on ideal weight. Say you weigh 300 pounds and your ideal weight is 200 pounds but your intermediate goal is 250 pounds. Using 250 to calculate protein, instead of the ideal weight of 200, gives you 34g more protein than you need which is a substantial amount of extra protein. Extra protein can't be stored it has to be converted to glucose.

There is a gray area there, though, I think. Exactly how much protein is too much is per individual and the window slides a little too (I think).

Using 85kg your protein grams were .83/kg which is too low. But if your ideal weight is 75kg the per kg amount shoots up to .94/kg. Still a little low but way better than knocking on .8's door.

Ideally and based on BMI (which I think is crap) I'm supposed to be 62kgs, I got down to that once when I was working on a fishing trawler and throwing up 12 hours a day - I looked terrible, way too thin for my frame

I'd be happy at 75kgs but realistically 85 is more achievable - that's why I'm saying 85

Maybe I should calculate it at 75
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Weigh-in this morning ... 195.3! New low. I had that 3600 calorie day three days ago but the last two days I ate ~2000 calories so the average was ~2400 across the three days.
see you don't need to come to my house...
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Weigh-in this morning ... 195.3! New low. I had that 3600 calorie day three days ago but the last two days I ate ~2000 calories so the average was ~2400 across the three days.
Yay! Congrats on the new low... that's fantastic
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Ideally and based on BMI (which I think is crap) I'm supposed to be 62kgs, I got down to that once when I was working on a fishing trawler and throwing up 12 hours a day - I looked terrible, way too thin for my frame

I'd be happy at 75kgs but realistically 85 is more achievable - that's why I'm saying 85

Maybe I should calculate it at 75
I see. Well, let me throw this on you. If 62kg really is your ideal weight I think that your experience at that weight with an NK/LC lifestyle will be far different from being at that weight from eating a mainstream way.

But! Have you checked your frame size and looked at a weight chart that takes frame size into account? There is a heck of a range of weights across the three sizes - small, medium and large.

Frame size

Leaving that aside, the question itself is interesting.

What do you do when you disagree with the charts on what weight is appropriate for you?

If your personal ideal is well above the chart ideal it throws the protein calculation out of whack. You'll have more muscle tissue to support the 'extra' weight but not as much as a person that is taller that has that same weight as ideal. You don't have the skeletal structure to support it all things being equal. If there is a physiology geek that wants to /bonk me for being stupid I'd be glad to hear it.

That argues for knowing your frame size and using a chart that accounts for it because a small framed person can have an ideal weight that is 30 pounds less than a large framed person of the same height.

Anyway, do you use your chart ideal weight or your personal ideal weight to calculate protein?

I think if it is a big difference in protein grams you have to actively pursue gaining muscle mass. You need to use the extra protein to build muscles. Elsewise your LBM would be appropriate for the ideal weight and your relative BF% would be higher.

Or not.

A chart isn't you. It is a chart. So if you calculate protein based on your personal ideal weight, and that is indeed the right weight for you, the calculation is correct and everything should fall into place.

The only way to know is to self-experiment. A DEXA scan might resolve the question of chart vs. personal ideal.

The Performance book's formula handles this issue by calculating protein based on LBM and goal BF%, right? But the linchpin of the Performance book is enthusiastic exercise.
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Wow. I learn something new everyday. I just checked the calculator and for my small frame I should have a goal wt between 111-124. I've been calculating my protein for a goal of 125. Guess I better recheck that!
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Still losing .4. Last Monday 158.8 today 148.4. Ill take it.....
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I just had to share this. I did my weight training this morning, adding another set to my normal routine, so a little harder than before. Then after a BPC w/1 egg, I went for a 3.5 mile run. And I felt better and stronger than I have since starting this diet plus ran faster This is the beginning of week 6 on this diet for me, and I'm feeling good!
Awesome! I weight training! Not so much the running LOL

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Weigh-in this morning ... 195.3! New low. I had that 3600 calorie day three days ago but the last two days I ate ~2000 calories so the average was ~2400 across the three days.
WOO HOO! Congrats on the new low!
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Good morning all! WI after workout this morning was 172.2 so my mini challenge is getting back down to 163 so to make it a nice even goal I'm aiming for 10lbs.

Today started with early workout at Jazzercise then had 2 eggs (107g) fried in bacon grease (.25oz) and 1.5 tbsp of CO (just heated up a little bit of water and melted the CO in that and took it like a shot) which was a fast easy way to get my food in I've had 32oz water so far.

Will be doing plyo this eve which is a killer p90x workout so goal is to hit about 80g prot and be at 80/15/5. So far after breakfast it's 40g fat, 13g prot, 1 carb: 86.5/12.5/1

I'm cutting WAY back on HWC and focusing on CO this week. I'm sticking to meat, eggs, CO. Will probably use sour cream and some shredded cheese on hamburger. Will eat tuna with avo during the day at work.

So this is Day 1 of my 100% clean eating to hit my 10 lbs off goal for April! I was stoked to see it started this morning with "small" ketone reading instead of "trace" - woot!

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Wow. I learn something new everyday. I just checked the calculator and for my small frame I should have a goal wt between 111-124. I've been calculating my protein for a goal of 125. Guess I better recheck that!
This is where it'd be sort of a gray area. The difference is less than 10g of protein for you between those two weights. And your upper amount for the frame size range is essentially the same as your 125 goal weight.

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Just to clarify, I think that big differences matter but small differences either don't matter or don't matter enough to make a difference.

This is a situation where testing blood ketones would be valuable. Excess protein will depress blood ketone levels.
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Weigh-in this morning ... 195.3! New low. I had that 3600 calorie day three days ago but the last two days I ate ~2000 calories so the average was ~2400 across the three days.

Horray!! Awesome!!
Way ta go Darin!
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3 lbs in one week, that is like a miracle for me.
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Still losing .4. Last Monday 158.8 today 148.4. Ill take it.....

That's amazing!
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This is where it'd be sort of a gray area. The difference is less than 10g of protein for you between those two weights. And your upper amount for the frame size range is essentially the same as your 125 goal weight.

It does make me feel better for those days I'm on the lower end for protein!
But I'll keep it the same for now.
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Hi all!

Back from a wonderful vacation. I did have a chance to go grocery shopping while I was there and had high fat for breakfast and lunch. We went out to dinner nightly so I made the best choices that I could. I will jump on the scale in the morning as I didn't weigh today.

Cleaning out the frig, and off to grocery shop. Fat bombs and cream cheese muffins are on my list along with HWC.
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I had that too a few weeks ago.
Broth with HWC helps me. It is warm and filling.
I also make cabbage with my broth and add some rotel if you like it spicy. Then add a little HWC. You can use 2 or 3 cups of chopped cabbage, broth, rotel and water and make a good sized pot of soup and have it to eat on while your hungry.
3 cups of chopped cabbage is 15 carbs. Rotel has 4 or 5 carb per serving.

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I had that too a few weeks ago.
Broth with HWC helps me. It is warm and filling.
I also make cabbage with my broth and add some rotel if you like it spicy. Then add a little HWC. You can use 2 or 3 cups of chopped cabbage, broth, rotel and water and make a good sized pot of soup and have it to eat on while your hungry.
3 cups of chopped cabbage is 15 carbs. Rotel has 4 or 5 carb per serving.
That sounds really good I need to go pick up some cabbage.
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Janette, It is a lot better with hamburger in it. If your low on protein you can add the ground beef.
But a lot of times I do it w/o Gb too.
Someone said you can sauté the cabbage in bacon grease before adding it to the pot. that's good too.
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I love cabbage cooked in bacon grease!
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Well, good morning everyone! I'm FINALLY back home and out of my father's house for the first time in about a month and a half... feels strange to be home!

Here's to hoping I can beat the mental and physical exhaustion I've felt myself being pulled into these past however many days, and I can actually get back into the routine of fixing all my own meals again... a month and a half straight pretty much of being treated to dinners is fantastic and all, but man do I feel rusty in the kitchen motivation department

Weigh-in this morning, 157... still retaining the extra 1/2 pound from my TOM that I haven't gotten rid of yet, but to be fair I just started back on my BC to regulate that yesterday. AND I've been slacking off on my ACV tonics the past few days out of laziness, so I know it's just water weight. Hoping it'll come off now that I'm home and will need to be more aware of what I'm doing
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That sounds really good I need to go pick up some cabbage.
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Janette, It is a lot better with hamburger in it. If your low on protein you can add the ground beef.
But a lot of times I do it w/o Gb too.
Someone said you can sauté the cabbage in bacon grease before adding it to the pot. that's good too.
It is super duper good with ground beef!

You can add some butter and/or bacon grease to push fat up a bit. You can add a bouillon cube or two to get your salt intake up and it is very tasty.

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Hi all!

Back from a wonderful vacation. I did have a chance to go grocery shopping while I was there and had high fat for breakfast and lunch. We went out to dinner nightly so I made the best choices that I could. I will jump on the scale in the morning as I didn't weigh today.

Cleaning out the frig, and off to grocery shop. Fat bombs and cream cheese muffins are on my list along with HWC.
Welcome back! Are ya exhausted from vacation lol?
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Has anyone else seen "The Perfect Human Diet"?

It is a paleo eating documentary but there are segments promoting LC and overall the message is pro-LC.

I didn't care much for the way the documentary was presented but it was mostly an aesthetics issue. I didn't like the graphics - they were distracting and silly, not haha just dopey, sometimes.

Also, early hominid women were butt ugly.
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