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Old 04-06-2013, 12:39 AM   #361
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Hope I wasn't too harsh on the last post. I get fed up with everything being skewed towards the calories-in-calories-out hypothesis of weight loss. Even the app I use to track my weight keeps telling me I must have cut 400 cals/day from my intake (when I've really done about 100/day).



Most of us use online trackers to calculate our food intake. Mine comes with a daily report that shows my macros as a pie chart (and screams at me daily that my fat intake is TOO HIGH! )

Todays numbers: ketones 1.2, weight holding steady (apparently I cannot stay away from the scale). Calories 1550, fat 121, carbs 41, protein 74. Macros 71.5/18/10.5.
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Oh, I know what you mean! Mine even relishes in telling me how much more I'll weigh in two weeks if I keep eating like that on any particular day 300-400 less calories, 95g less fat, and 179g more carbs is their brilliant plan for me... uhhhh yeah, right. I'd like to tell my tracker where it could stick its brilliant advice
Hmm...I might have to go looking, I did download one but it keeps telling me how many miles I need to run to burn off breakfast, I refuse to run anywhere, it's undignified
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tonight for dinner we had

organic lamb and feta sausages
salad with rocket, tomato and avocado
pot quiche - line a ramekin with a rasher of bacon, whisk together eggs, cream, salt and pepper, put a handful of baby spinach in each ramekin, pour over the egg mix and top with chunks of goat cheese, bake at 180deg till golden and puffy and just set in the middle
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I've just realized I've been somewhat rude and not introduced myself

my name is Deb (duh), i'm 50 and I live in the Hunter Valley in Australia, two kids, great husband, horses, chickens, cats, demented dog, psychotic ferret.

i've actually been doing low carb for some time, i first tried it back in 2002 and lost about 20kgs, but the program i was on was low carb and low fat and i just couldnt keep it up, i started to feel unwell and went back to eating whatever and put all the weight back on. I decided it just didnt suit my metabolism.

fast forward to three years ago and my husband was diagnosed with type two diabetes, i decided to try low carb again for hiim after reading Dr Bernsteins diabetes book. He's now been doing it for 2 1/2 years and is pretty much cured, his diet included a lot more fat so i decided to revisit it for me

I was about 112kgs when i started, its been about a month and i'm down to 101 (just cant crack that 100 arrgggg!). i feel much better this time, i havent hit that wall of feeling unhealthy like i did last time and i'm getting more used to it, this will be a permanent life change

i've done so much research in the last three years into diabetes, statins and low carb i finally decided to bite the bullet and i'm going back to Uni in two weeks to get a diploma in nutritional medicine. It will be a big career change because i'm a chef even more funny, i'm a specialist pastry chef!...so i've spent half my life shoving cakes and pastries into people and i'll spend the second half telling them to stop

so thats me, my pet subject is statins and the cholesterol myth, yep really party girl thats me

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Hey Perfect DEb and welcome
Nice introduction. We need someone to set the cholesterol myth straight!!! I won't even get started on that one this am but it is a bad deal!!!


Merrykate,
You are so right and you have a better attitude than me. I know I should put the word out. I am too none confrontational.

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Weigh in 156.
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Oh and the perfect part is a bit of a joke from another forum I'm on (I make glass beads as a hobby), it's kind of stuck with me - I am very far from perfect
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My new low, so I did lose a tad.

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Pterostilbene is an appetite suppressant?
It can be for some people, there's a whole thread about this over on the JUDDD board. I was interested to see if it would work on me as someone who is not doing IF. It's supposed to mimic the health benefits of calorie restriction.
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A bit surprised. I started eating this way Sunday at 138. Is that possible? It seems fast. I haven't been able to get back down to this weight since last fall. Maybe I'm an animal shedding their winter coat!
Really I am a little worried. Seems very fast. Is that healthy
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Mornin!

Wt:131

A bit surprised. I started eating this way Sunday at 138. Is that possible? It seems fast. I haven't been able to get back down to this weight since last fall. Maybe I'm an animal shedding their winter coat!
Really I am a little worried. Seems very fast. Is that healthy

Horray!!!
I don't think you have anything to worry about. Maybe someone else has some insight.
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Oh and the perfect part is a bit of a joke from another forum I'm on (I make glass beads as a hobby), it's kind of stuck with me - I am very far from perfect
love the name
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Weighed in at 188. I'm down 1 lb from Sunday but this means no net loss for the last 2 weeks. It seems I can maintain but not lose by upping calories to around 1600. At least this was useful to learn for future reference.

It also fits in with what I learned from listening to Jenny Ruhl on Jimmy Moore's podcast. For women over 50 and close to menopause, calories do matter even on low carb. I was comfortable and not starving at 1400 calories, so I think I'll go back to that. I do think it's a good idea to give the body a break occasionally and eat higher calorie just to shake things up.
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I have a really hard time keeping it to myself, especially when someone who's bought the calories-in-calories-out line starts talking meaningfully at me about trimming the fat from their food.

I notice the original poster mentioned her friend being critical about her buttered green beans. People who've bought the calories-in-calories-out lie always feel free to share their views openly. I think its time we get just as frank in response. "Lets see...you're having your body cut open and your stomach mutilated to lose weight, and you'll be restricted to a cup or two of food per day for the rest of your life. I'm eating in line with the way my body is designed to work, and as a result I'm losing weight and able to enjoy my food without it making me sick. Pass the butter!"
I get so frustrated, also. Especially when it's a good friend that I LOVE and she is bigger and bigger every time I see her, but she sticks to her low-fat mentality. I zipped my mouth shut as she ordered "more bread" the other night for a couples dinner. I really tried to avert my eyes and busy my brain with the conversation instead of the internal dialogue that was going on in my head,"Stop eating all the bread! Stop eating all that bread!" but maybe she's going through the same internal dialogue as she sees me put butter on my steak??? Maybe she's biting her tongue? (At least she didn't chastise me like the OP's friend did.) I have to wonder what she's thinking because when she sees ME, I'm smaller and smaller . . . She probably thinks my kindeys will explode or I'll slump over the dinner table one night, stone dead from steak over-consumption??

It's sad. It's just sad and so frustrating.
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161.4 lbs. again today. No change in days.

My digital food scale is supposed to deliver today.

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My new low, so I did lose a tad.
Awesome Cheryl!!! Hooray!!!
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Yahoo!!!! Way to go Darin!
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Weighed in at 188. I'm down 1 lb from Sunday but this means no net loss for the last 2 weeks. It seems I can maintain but not lose by upping calories to around 1600. At least this was useful to learn for future reference.

It also fits in with what I learned from listening to Jenny Ruhl on Jimmy Moore's podcast. For women over 50 and close to menopause, calories do matter even on low carb. I was comfortable and not starving at 1400 calories, so I think I'll go back to that. I do think it's a good idea to give the body a break occasionally and eat higher calorie just to shake things up.
Lisa, were you losing at 1400 or stalled?

JM's podcast with JR are excellent aren't they? She's done several so which may I ask which one?

Google 'jimmy moore matt lalonde atlcx calories'. Matt is a paleo guy and not particularly thrilled with LC but the calorie information is excellent and I think it mostly compliments what JR has said in other podcasts.
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161.4 lbs. again today. No change in days.

My digital food scale is supposed to deliver today.
Hang in there Donna. It takes a bit sometimes to start trending down.
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A bit surprised. I started eating this way Sunday at 138. Is that possible? It seems fast. I haven't been able to get back down to this weight since last fall. Maybe I'm an animal shedding their winter coat!
Really I am a little worried. Seems very fast. Is that healthy
Hooray!!!!
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A bit surprised. I started eating this way Sunday at 138. Is that possible? It seems fast. I haven't been able to get back down to this weight since last fall. Maybe I'm an animal shedding their winter coat!
Really I am a little worried. Seems very fast. Is that healthy
No worries! Some of it is water so it isn't as extreme as it appears to be. How are you clothes fitting now as compared to last Sunday?
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Lisa, were you losing at 1400 or stalled?

JM's podcast with JR are excellent aren't they? She's done several so which may I ask which one?

Google 'jimmy moore matt lalonde atlcx calories'. Matt is a paleo guy and not particularly thrilled with LC but the calorie information is excellent and I think it mostly compliments what JR has said in other podcasts.
According to Jenny Ruhl's calculator I should eat 1295 calories day. I don't eat a heck of a lot more than that but that's a low number.
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awesome to see all the losses! love it!

i feel like i pigged out yesterday, well, i know i did...at some point i stopped tracking food but only ate NK foods, just a LOT of calories. i went ahead and WI this morning and was the SAME weight as yesterday - stoked about that. can't believe didn't go up! can't even comprehend it!

went to my morning workout class and been hungry this morning so have eaten a lot today already but will chill out on the eating till later today. craving carbs so made spinach in bacon fat then still wanted more so made cabbage in bacon fat. both were SO good! love it!

i am planning to do some dead lifts later today and then resting. i'm probably going to restrict calories Monday when I get back to work and just eat NK today/tomorrow but allow the calories and hopefully just maintain then back to trying to lose on Monday. I think sometimes I like the up days and down days, think it kinda shocks my system a bit. hoping the longer i'm in NK my appetite will start to go down even more...i'm not STARVING but hungry more often than I would have thought, or maybe it's in my head. idk, trying to learn how to read my body! you'd think after almost 33 yrs i'd know but this is the healthiest i've ever been! love it

have a great weekend all!
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I've just realized I've been somewhat rude and not introduced myself

my name is Deb (duh), i'm 50 and I live in the Hunter Valley in Australia, two kids, great husband, horses, chickens, cats, demented dog, psychotic ferret.

i've actually been doing low carb for some time, i first tried it back in 2002 and lost about 20kgs, but the program i was on was low carb and low fat and i just couldnt keep it up, i started to feel unwell and went back to eating whatever and put all the weight back on. I decided it just didnt suit my metabolism.

fast forward to three years ago and my husband was diagnosed with type two diabetes, i decided to try low carb again for hiim after reading Dr Bernsteins diabetes book. He's now been doing it for 2 1/2 years and is pretty much cured, his diet included a lot more fat so i decided to revisit it for me

I was about 112kgs when i started, its been about a month and i'm down to 101 (just cant crack that 100 arrgggg!). i feel much better this time, i havent hit that wall of feeling unhealthy like i did last time and i'm getting more used to it, this will be a permanent life change

i've done so much research in the last three years into diabetes, statins and low carb i finally decided to bite the bullet and i'm going back to Uni in two weeks to get a diploma in nutritional medicine. It will be a big career change because i'm a chef even more funny, i'm a specialist pastry chef!...so i've spent half my life shoving cakes and pastries into people and i'll spend the second half telling them to stop

so thats me, my pet subject is statins and the cholesterol myth, yep really party girl thats me
That's great Deb!

A trained chef that is an LC enthusiast must be a little bit of heaven for your husband

Congrats on your plans to go into nutritional medicine. I bet that will be interesting with all the mainstream disinformation that has got to be included in the curriculum.

Statins. So evil. My Dad withstood the pressure to take them for several years and finally caved in about 6 years ago. Within 3 years he became psychotic. I wish I knew then what I know now about statins.
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So, tell me how this works? Where are you doing the calculations?
Do you mean the daily calories and grams stuff Deb? It is the various food loggers that everyone is using that compiles the information for you.
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That's great Deb!

I wish I knew then what I know now about statins.
Me Too!
Did your dad recover?
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I have a really hard time keeping it to myself, especially when someone who's bought the calories-in-calories-out line starts talking meaningfully at me about trimming the fat from their food.

I notice the original poster mentioned her friend being critical about her buttered green beans. People who've bought the calories-in-calories-out lie always feel free to share their views openly. I think its time we get just as frank in response. "Lets see...you're having your body cut open and your stomach mutilated to lose weight, and you'll be restricted to a cup or two of food per day for the rest of your life. I'm eating in line with the way my body is designed to work, and as a result I'm losing weight and able to enjoy my food without it making me sick. Pass the butter!"
Same here. I am not bashful at all about advocating LC living. The fact of the matter is that mainstream nutritional dogma is wrong. If they are dead set on being a fool and I like them I just flatly tell them "let's not talk about it because we are not going to agree on it" and change the subject. If they are genuinely curious or interested then I'll try to point them in the right direction to learn more. But I won't be lectured to or brow beaten by anyone about nutrition that is grossly misinformed.
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Did your dad recover?
No. It makes me angry and very sad. The kick in the pants is that he forestalled taking them for so long for such an intelligent reason - the 'proof' they work isn't proof of anything. Just statistical mumbo jumbo. He knew that and told me that. But the pressure from the medical establishment and the lack of mainstream reporting on the fact that not only do they not actually work but have hideous side effects finally won out. Even today you have to be on the fringe to really know the horrors of this drug and I wasn't on the fringe back then and neither was he.
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awesome to see all the losses! love it!

i feel like i pigged out yesterday, well, i know i did...at some point i stopped tracking food but only ate NK foods, just a LOT of calories. i went ahead and WI this morning and was the SAME weight as yesterday - stoked about that. can't believe didn't go up! can't even comprehend it!

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i am planning to do some dead lifts later today and then resting. i'm probably going to restrict calories Monday when I get back to work and just eat NK today/tomorrow but allow the calories and hopefully just maintain then back to trying to lose on Monday. I think sometimes I like the up days and down days, think it kinda shocks my system a bit. hoping the longer i'm in NK my appetite will start to go down even more...i'm not STARVING but hungry more often than I would have thought, or maybe it's in my head. idk, trying to learn how to read my body! you'd think after almost 33 yrs i'd know but this is the healthiest i've ever been! love it

have a great weekend all!
It is funny how decoupled calorie intake from weight can become. I've eaten ~3000 calorie days and dropped a pound on the next morning's weigh-in on occasion.
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No. It makes me angry and very sad. The kick in the pants is that he forestalled taking them for so long for such an intelligent reason - the 'proof' they work isn't proof of anything. Just statistical mumbo jumbo. He knew that and told me that. But the pressure from the medical establishment and the lack of mainstream reporting on the fact that not only do they not actually work but have hideous side effects finally won out. Even today you have to be on the fringe to really know the horrors of this drug and I wasn't on the fringe back then and neither was he.
Statins ruin lives and many Drs know it! Makes me furious!
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