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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Lewisville, TX USA
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Stats: Type 2 Diabetic as of 6/1/08
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Stats: 235/192/LESS
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I had no idea who the DD person was either...but google cleared that one up! Can't imagine why it would have shown up on the JM blog, but am certainly glad it is gone.I also read the other blog, and don't really understand much of that. Maybe someone can interpret for me! |
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,622
Gallery: mom2zeke
Stats: 257/144.8/150
WOE: Nutritional Ketosis--Maintenance!
Start Date: August 6, 2001
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Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 257
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Stats: 146/143.6/115ish
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Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: NY
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Stats: 146/143.6/115ish
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Hey Guys! I just posted a new thread titled "How much fat do you eat?"
It kind of occurred to me that we all have different definitions of what "high fat" is. Some would consider eating anything above a few teaspoons of olive oil "high fat"- I would appreciate ya'll's feed back on this thread. Thanks!! |
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 132
Gallery: bjjcaveman
Stats: 180.0/180.4/165.0
WOE: nutritional ketosis
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Ate as perfect a diet as I could!
Total Calories: 1962 % From Fat: 77% % From Protein: 20% % From Carbs: 7% PM Ketones: 0.7 Interesting that while I ate more calories yesterday.. and the break down of macronutrients was pretty similar, yesterdays PM ketones were 1.2. The only difference being that I exercised yesterday, and today I didn't. (I know volek and phinney said that exercise can increase ketone levels 0.25-0.5 immediately afterwards... I measured ketones about 4 hours after eating and 3 hours after exercising last nite so i'm not sure how this affected the measurement) Man.. there just isn't any predicting! Since I've been pretty good about logging my food, I think it'd be interesting for me to see how my numbers vary each day if I eat the same exact thing! For the next three days, I'll try my best to eat the same exact meals as today. The only differences being if I exercise or not (I'll be working through Sunday ) so even my work activity should be the same. There has got to be a pattern to this! Last edited by bjjcaveman; 12-27-2012 at 11:04 PM.. |
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In a podcast with Phinney i listened to he even says even if you're in NK it doesn't mean weight loss, it just means good something "flow" i forget what the something was, just throwing that in :P |
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,622
Gallery: mom2zeke
Stats: 257/144.8/150
WOE: Nutritional Ketosis--Maintenance!
Start Date: August 6, 2001
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for being in ketosis! If you could post your gram amounts also that would be very helpful! The grams are much more important than the % and will help other people. I did a quick calculation and you're eating ~100g of protein and ~35g of carbs--is that correct?Are you only doing pm ketones? It seems to me that am ketones (after overnight fast) are easier to see trends with precisely because you don't have the many daytime variations in when you eat and exercise. Of course, having both readings is probably even more useful, but expensive Quote:
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: USA
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I'm actually tracking both AM and PM ketones.. Speaking of.. today's AM Ketones - 1.0!
mom2zeke - you are spot on with the gram estimations the fat/protein/carb break down last nite was 167/97/33 gms In retrospect... regarding last nites diet.. the only way I could have improved it, was to forego a square of dark chocolate (4gm carbs) and skip out on the kombucha (8gm carbs)... but I'm not quite ready to give those up yet! Will be sure to keep you posted. |
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Seattle
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Stats: 257/144.8/150
WOE: Nutritional Ketosis--Maintenance!
Start Date: August 6, 2001
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.Tracking is a PITA and I do not enjoy it myself. Are you starting to lose at all? If you are losing then it's probably not important, but if you're still not losing then tracking is really one of the best ways to know exactly what you are eating and make adjustments to your diet. Quote:
Remember--carbs and protein are the two macronutrients that provide glucose to your body. If either one of these is too high for your individual physiology you will not get into ketosis. If you are still not losing once ketosis is established, reducing fat is the strategy recommended to get into an energy deficit and lose weight. |
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Join Date: Jun 2002
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WOE: Nutritional Ketosis--Maintenance!
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Join Date: Jun 2002
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WOE: Nutritional Ketosis--Maintenance!
Start Date: August 6, 2001
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This morning my ketones were .7 (they've been the same for the last 3 days). I'm glad they're over .5 and I seem to be weight-stable for now.
How is everyone else this morning? |
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Big Yapper!!!!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Lewisville, TX USA
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Gallery: Buffy45
Stats: Type 2 Diabetic as of 6/1/08
WOE: LC/MP/HF
Start Date: Restart 9/3/2012
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Good morning!
Caveman, you are our new science experiement!! You are doing great and interesting to read about how carefully you are tracking and following everything. So glad to have you here. I am finally back into very low ketosis after my Christmas day run in with carbs. I measured .05 last night, I usually don't check at night but was so curious after 2 good days but this morning, was .01 which didn't surprise me since they are always lower in the AM. So, that means I have a little ways to go to get back in the zone of .05 or above. The good news is that I have lost the 2 lbs I gained plus 4/10's more to be an even 184 this morning which was my New Year's goal. Very happy about that. Kristn, you probably know this, when you are out of ketosis for a short time, and then get back in, do you go through the induction flu and all that all over again? I sure hope not, or maybe it would be good if I did. I sure didn't feel all that well in Sept. when I started and it might make me really really stop and think before I ate off plan again. DD and I were talking yesterday about how one would handle maintainence and I told her that I was following you with high interest Kristn so that when I get there I will have some guidelines.
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Kansas
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Stats: 247/195/168
WOE: Paleo/Primal/LCHF/NK
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I have been following these NK threads since the beginning, first time poster.
I have read both the Living and Performance books. I have not been tracking other than using the "Rule of 7s" to keep an eye on protein (keep around 100g). I have been low carb for years. Managed to keep around 40 pounds off, but never able to push toward goal weight. I am hoping that the excess protein has been what has been holding me back. "Watching protein" has gotten me from around 212 down to 203 this morning. I am not quite sure I can own that number yet. I have an awful time getting past a 205ish set point. I received the free Nova meter with 2 ketone strips a couple of months ago, but was too scared to poke my fingers to do the test. Yesterday, I got over the fear and just did it. Yesterday's first thing in the morning test was .9 (after a day where I went quite high on the protein). Reigned in the protein yesterday and this morning's reading was 1.5! No more test strips. I need to register for the two free ones. A couple of questions: Money is fairly tight. Since I am losing slowly and in Ketosis, what should my strategy be to maximize my use of the strips? Test every other day? Only when I eat something out of the normal? Weekly? Not test? Exercise: I am doing 2 weight lifting workouts per week (P90X videos). A couple days ago the wife and I joined a gym that specializes in boxing/kickboxing workouts. Plan on doing this 3 times a week. Too much? ok? Sorry for the novel. Pretty excited after the readings confirmed I am at least headed in the right direction. Thanks to all of you for sharing so much information all the time. It feels like I have my own personal team of coaches. |
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and many congratulations!Kristn will be able to tell you specific things, but well done on being in ketosis. I bought enough strips to bring the price down to $2/each, so I have a lot, but I am still not willing to test every day if I am losing and am not hungry. Kristn does work out, so again, she'll be able to give you better guidance. |
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Big Yapper!!!!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Lewisville, TX USA
Posts: 8,529
Gallery: Buffy45
Stats: Type 2 Diabetic as of 6/1/08
WOE: LC/MP/HF
Start Date: Restart 9/3/2012
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Big. Testing for BK is interesting and kind of fun to keep track of but you can certainly do NK without them. Once you get into ketosis and are firmly in, then as long as you eat what you know is LC, you pretty much know you are in and would not need to test daily. If you eat something you suspect or know is higher in carbs and want to see how it effects your ketosis, you could check. This is kind of crazy but I almost use them as a reward. I really like the satisfaction of seeing a number in the AM that is in the losing zone and feel like the money I spend on them is a reward for my hard work and then seeing the satisfaction of that right numbers. Goofy! Hopefully they will come down in price as more people get on the NK bandwagon and some smart company gives them some competition. |
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Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Middle TN
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Stats: 147/141/120
WOE: NK; HF/MP/LC
Start Date: November 1, 2012
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Not goofy at all! Or if it is, then I'm happy to be goofy. I have a little celebration every time I get a good reading. ![]() This morning: 1.0. I'll take it, since I was afraid my protein was a little high yesterday. And today, I've started taking the step of consciously reducing my fat intake so it's more like 100g rather than 150g per day. One more little update: I used a Christmas gift card to Academy Sports to get a digital scale. I was so tired of trying to read the analog scale first thing in the morning when my eyes can't even focus yet. I wasn't intentionally looking for a scale that had the body fat percentage feature since I know how notorious they are for being very wrong. But, out of the two scales they had in the store, I preferred the looks of the one that had the BF%. So this morning I introduced myself to my new scale, and it promptly let me know that I'm still 144...actually 144.4 now that I can be all precise. Then it tried to get on my good side by telling me my BF% was 29.1% (I wish!). ![]()
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So my answer is, use them to tighten up your macros (it's even better if you track while you're doing this) and then use the data to plan your future meals while not testing (or not testing as often). The American Diabetes Warehouse has periodic sales. I try to post them when I get notification. Quote:
Personally my goal with exercise is to maintain or gain LBM and get stronger so I do two hard heavy workouts a week (maybe one more in the NY) and the rest of the time I walk or do stairs. I don't think of exercise as "fat burning," I know that comes from diet Quote:
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I want my own flattering scale too! My BF% scale consistently reads higher than the dunk test said. I've given up on it altogether. |
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Kansas
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Thanks everyone for the welcomes.
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I have been doing the 2 P90X weight workouts for a few months now. Slowly getting stronger. In the not so distant past, I ran marathons (ten or so). I totally burned out on that and have not done any cardio for a while now. The boxing classes are something the wife and I can do together. We went to our second class tonight and had a blast. Does it sound like these will conflict with my goals? The classes are such that I can make them as hard or easy as I would like. I guess I will have to monitor my soreness/recovery/weight loss and see. Thanks for the feedback and answering my questions. |
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Join Date: Dec 2012
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Stats: 180.0/180.4/165.0
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Hope you guys don't mind, I'm going to plagiarize myself and copy and paste this update from my blog:
Weight: 179.6 AM Ketones: 1.0 PM Ketones: 2.3 AM Blood Glucose: 76 PM Blood Glucose: 80 Hours of Sleep: 6:07 Energy Level: Fair Physical Activity: BJJ Total Calories: 1962 % From Fat: 77% (167 gm) % From Protein: 20% (97gm) % From Carbs: 7% (33gm) My food log looks just like it did from yesterday! That's because I ate the exact same things as part of my experiment to see the effect exercise has on my ketone levels. Well after BJJ at least in the PM, my ketones shot up. I am a little dubious as to this result since I only measured it around 2.5-3 hours after dinner. Since I'm not exactly sure how my ketones respond to my meals at 1, 2, 3, etc. hours after, I can't say for certain that my change in ketones isn't the result of the meal rather than fat being burned in my body. I think after these first 30 days of nutritional ketosis, I don't think I'll be measuring my PM ketones anymore. The AM ketones are the most useful since they are acquired when my body is in a fasted state without the influence of meals, and so most accurately reflect the actual fat burning state of my body. Also after these 30 days I don't think I'll be measuring my blood glucose anymore either... they've been stable the entire time. I'm satisfied with the results thus far and have proven to myself the effectiveness of the diet in stabilizing my blood sugars. |
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Seattle
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bjjcaveman--Thanks for posting the update, it looks like you're right on target. Are you down a pound? If so congratulations!
We haven't heard from Sophie about her thyroid appointment. Hopefully she'll check in soon! My ketones were .7 this morning. They've been .7 for four mornings in a row, possibly my most consistent stretch of readings since I've been testing. How is everyone else this morning? |
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Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Middle TN
Posts: 159
Gallery: UnstrungHarp
Stats: 147/141/120
WOE: NK; HF/MP/LC
Start Date: November 1, 2012
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This morning's ketones: 0.9
Weight: 144.4 (precisely the same as yesterday) BF%: 29.0 (oh scale, how you lie, but I do appreciate the .1% loss from yesterday!) I do feel a little sore from yesterday's workout, which was Body Beast Total Body. Back on Wednesday of this week, I finished my Body Beast rotation (as I defined it), but after a rest day on Thursday, I felt pumped up to do something the next day. The Total Body workout had not been in my schedule at all so far, so I was dying to try it. Wow - what a fun, well-rounded workout it was! It's now one of my "desert island" workouts...meaning, if I were stranded on a desert island and could only have, say, five or so workout videos with me, this would be one of them. (Ignoring the fact that there probably wouldn't be a DVD player, weights, or a pull up bar on the desert island, and I'd probably be too busy foraging for food or building a raft to work out.) ![]() |
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Still not willing to test ketones again (yet).
I've lost 1 pound since Christmas. On the right track! Lindsay and all you workout people - I am now wishing we were all gym rats - I would love going to the gym and working out with all of you. As it is, I am going to live through your descriptions of intense workouts! |
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Big Yapper!!!!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Lewisville, TX USA
Posts: 8,529
Gallery: Buffy45
Stats: Type 2 Diabetic as of 6/1/08
WOE: LC/MP/HF
Start Date: Restart 9/3/2012
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Morning.
Didn't test this morning but did drop almost another lb. Judy, congrats on losing!!! Lindsay, you just amaze me, I seriously don't think I have known someone who loves to work out like you do. I am so impressed. Kristn, sounds like you are totally in the zone. Yes, we need an update from Sophie. Caveman, your day looks perfect to me. Bigrunner, I think that is great that you and your wife have found an exercise to do together. Makes it so much more fun, unless of course you turn on each other ![]() Unstrung, your new scale sounds pretty neat. Although the BF readings on those types of scales, I have a Tanita, might not be accurate, they do let you know if it is going up or down. Like our weight, we want the "down" part. |
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