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Old 11-14-2012, 10:05 PM   #421
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I read a little bit on fat fasting- has anyone here done that?
I did for a bit last May - I was definitely stalled, and it got me going again for a while. I couldn't eat like that for more than 3 days at a time, and I felt pretty cruddy (probably due to the "Atkins flu.") Sadly, my stall returned when I went back to normal Atkins eating. I really only got started losing again after finding this thread on NK and dropping my protein levels down.

Fat fasting is really meant as a kick-start for people whose bodies are resistant to getting into ketosis. If you want to start with a few days of that and then switch to NK it would make sense, but for the long term I think NK will give you the same results without being so restrictive.
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Kristen, thanks for the coupon code for the American Diabetes. I finally ordered the Novamax monitor and strips. How long does it take after you eat something for the ketones to be affected? I have a couple of items I've been hesitant to eat because I don't know if they'll drop me out of ketosis (low carb tortillas, berries, etc) and I figure I can get a baseline and test a few items before I use up the 10 free strips.
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Hi all,
Still on plan. I bounced up again today which is a little disconcerting but I will keep at it.
I've been taking the Magnesium Citrate and still not feeling the effects. I started with 200. Then 200 am and another PM and still nothing. Now I guess I'll try to move up to 400 at night and 200 in the morning.. hope it works soon.
I was really tempted to take a few TBS of Wheat bran or psyillium husks bc that's what I have done in the past- I believe psyillium husks is recommended by atkins himself -but after reading negative things about it I'm really confused so I hope the mag kicks in soon.
Btw- I went to get some potassium and the pharmacist told me (unsolicited advice) that potassium is notoriously bad for kidneys and I shouldn't take it long term... thoughts?
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Hi all,
Still on plan. I bounced up again today which is a little disconcerting but I will keep at it.
I've been taking the Magnesium Citrate and still not feeling the effects. I started with 200. Then 200 am and another PM and still nothing. Now I guess I'll try to move up to 400 at night and 200 in the morning.. hope it works soon.
I was really tempted to take a few TBS of Wheat bran or psyillium husks bc that's what I have done in the past- I believe psyillium husks is recommended by atkins himself -but after reading negative things about it I'm really confused so I hope the mag kicks in soon.
Btw- I went to get some potassium and the pharmacist told me (unsolicited advice) that potassium is notoriously bad for kidneys and I shouldn't take it long term... thoughts?
My recommendation is probiotics for long term 'reliability' and for short term, try mag oxide. For a natural source of potassium, the best source is avocados which also happen to fit into a n.k. woe and provides a ton of fibre!!
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I can't say that I noticed any difference in weight loss during the winter months but mostly because I have not paid attention and am just to tired to care. One very prominent thing is wanting to go to sleep around 7:30-8:00 since it has been dark since 4:30-5:00! I often do go to bed early. Maybe the lack of activity is a possible cause for a stall or weight gain.

Funny how when I was younger the lack of light did not seem to effect me. Now, I can't wait until the holidays are over so the days will start to get longer.
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Hi all,
Still on plan. I bounced up again today which is a little disconcerting but I will keep at it.
I've been taking the Magnesium Citrate and still not feeling the effects. I started with 200. Then 200 am and another PM and still nothing. Now I guess I'll try to move up to 400 at night and 200 in the morning.. hope it works soon.
I was really tempted to take a few TBS of Wheat bran or psyillium husks bc that's what I have done in the past- I believe psyillium husks is recommended by atkins himself -but after reading negative things about it I'm really confused so I hope the mag kicks in soon.
Btw- I went to get some potassium and the pharmacist told me (unsolicited advice) that potassium is notoriously bad for kidneys and I shouldn't take it long term... thoughts?
My magnesium malate program (for my migraines) is 200mg at breakfast, 200mg after lunch and 500mg at bed time. MCT oil will also get things going for me if I take it on the empty stomach. I read somewhere recently that the constipation issue from the "atkins" style of eating is due to the loss of salt which influences the GI tracts water balance. The salt reduction is from eating less processed food which contain a lot of salt. More salt for you?
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For a natural source of potassium, the best source is avocados which also happen to fit into a n.k. woe and provides a ton of fibre!!
Avocado
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Re: Thanksgiving, has anyone tried making dressing from the flaxseed focaccia bread recipe? I thought if I made a batch I could use it to substitute for corn bread in dressing.
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Kristen, thanks for the coupon code for the American Diabetes. I finally ordered the Novamax monitor and strips. How long does it take after you eat something for the ketones to be affected? I have a couple of items I've been hesitant to eat because I don't know if they'll drop me out of ketosis (low carb tortillas, berries, etc) and I figure I can get a baseline and test a few items before I use up the 10 free strips.
I'm glad you were able to take advantage of it and order the meter. You should end up with 14 strips, two come in the box with the monitor and then you'll get two more free when you register it.

This is all so new and I haven't done much experimenting with testing after eating. I guess you'd need to get a baseline after a "normal" meal and then test after a meal with those items. I would guess a few hours would work, but it's just a guess.

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Hi all,
Still on plan. I bounced up again today which is a little disconcerting but I will keep at it.
I've been taking the Magnesium Citrate and still not feeling the effects. I started with 200. Then 200 am and another PM and still nothing. Now I guess I'll try to move up to 400 at night and 200 in the morning.. hope it works soon.
I was really tempted to take a few TBS of Wheat bran or psyillium husks bc that's what I have done in the past- I believe psyillium husks is recommended by atkins himself -but after reading negative things about it I'm really confused so I hope the mag kicks in soon.
Btw- I went to get some potassium and the pharmacist told me (unsolicited advice) that potassium is notoriously bad for kidneys and I shouldn't take it long term... thoughts?
Hmmm. Potassium supplements, or just potassium? I do know that the supplement tablets have a very low amount in them, possibly for a bad reaction to taking too much? I just can't seem to eat enough potassium rich foods (and I love avocado).

I did read on another board that someone suggested taking 200 mg of magnesium every 2 hours until things "moved." Not an every day suggestion, but if you're really stopped up. I have not tried this myself, nor do I know if it works...

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Funny how when I was younger the lack of light did not seem to effect me. Now, I can't wait until the holidays are over so the days will start to get longer.
I moved to Seattle from California 18 years ago and I loved it! But the older I get the less I can handle the short days in the winter.
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Good morning! I lapsed and hit the hard stuff last night in the form of a Heath bar. The combination of stress and unpreparedness took me over. I only bought the one bar, though, so it's gone and back out of my life. I REALLY need to do some cooking this weekend to make sure I have good, convenient options on hand for those moments of potential weakness. I currently have pretty much nothing useful in my refrigerator/freezer/pantry since I was gone over the weekend so didn't shop nor cook at all for this week.

And Mr. Baby's ear infection is all cleared up, which is good, but I only know this because we were at the pediatrician's yesterday because he woke up twice with giant red welts. Brought him to the doc yesterday afternoon, and their first guess is an allergy to the amoxicillin, so we've stopped that and started low dose children's Benadryl. He was clear when he went to bed last night, but woke up this morning with three new large welts, and he hasn't had any amoxicillin in 24 hours, so I'm very skeptical that that's the culprit. It's frustrating to not know the cause so I can fix it. I don't like giving him Benadryl all the time, but I don't want his reaction to get any worse (I have been in anaphylactic shock, so I know how bad an allergy can get). He hasn't eaten any new foods, we haven't changed laundry detergent or soaps or lotions or anything...not sure what's going on. He seems to be in good spirits still, just tired (which is probably not helped by the Benadryl!).
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I just looked it up, and it still says the only ingredient is coconut oil. They must do something to it, though, to make it higher in MCT than normal in order to stay liquid at lower temps. Interesting. I do also like the MCT oil for things where I wouldn't want to add any coconut flavor/aroma, but I could see liquid co being good in a plain chocolate protein shake...dammit, now I might have to place another order!
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Tablis- I find that drinking 1 tablespoon of olive oil first thing in the morning, followed w/a glass of water really really helps me get things moving!
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BTW, is there a specific name/model # for the nova max meter that measure ketones and includes a few ketone strips?
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It's the Nova Max Plus.
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I have the Nova Max plus which came with 10 free glucose strips and 2 free ketone strips, those 2 I ruined trying to learn to use the darn thing. But, once you learn how to insert them, you won't have a problem. I don't use it for glucose testing as I found it wasn't reliable, I use it for my ketone testing and my Accuchek Compact plus for my glucose testing.

MerryKate, and someone correct me if I am wrong here, but I am pretty sure the 10 free strips you will receive are for glucose testing and you only get 2 free strips for ketone testing. The ketone strips are the ones that are soooo darn expensive. I don't know how long after you eat a particular food it affects your ketones, it will affect your glucose within 1-2 hours.

On the ketosis, I just check mine once a day, first thing in the morning, and since that is the time of day you usually test lowest, am I am in the "zone" I call it, from 0.5 to 3.0 then I know I am eating right to stay in ketosis. From what I read, you usually get a higher reading in the evening.
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Oh, and another thing to watch for. On the Nova Max plus, when you insert a strip, it should recognize whether it is for ketones or glucose, but alas, once in a while, you will insert an expensive ketone strip and your meter will show that it is testing for glucose, so you will then get an error reading. I also ruined 2-3 strips doing this. Now, I insert the ketone strip, look at the meter to be sure it says ket and then test the drop of blood.
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Jilly, sorry to hear about Mr. Baby's allergy welts. My DGS started getting this rash around his mouth, went on for several weeks until mommy and daddy figured out it was from strawberries! He can eat other berries but not strawberries. It could be from sooo many different things, really hard to figure out. good luck on that.

1 heath bar won't kill you, a dozen, then we will have to give you a good spanking. Yes, it is important to have some treats made up at home, like fat bombs, or something you can quickly grab in times like that.
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Have suffered myself from SAD since I was a young teen. Took me years to figure out what it was, I loved fall and then as the year/winter wore on, I wore out, didn't want to get out, didn't want to do anything except lay on my couch and eat carbs. Come spring, I would start to come out of it. It did get worse the older I got and I finally sought help for it. For several years, the Dr. would just put me on meds in say October and I would take them until February or so, then as I reached menopause, I just stayed on the meds year round. Made a world of difference.
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I have the Nova Max plus which came with 10 free glucose strips and 2 free ketone strips, those 2 I ruined trying to learn to use the darn thing. But, once you learn how to insert them, you won't have a problem. I don't use it for glucose testing as I found it wasn't reliable, I use it for my ketone testing and my Accuchek Compact plus for my glucose testing.

MerryKate, and someone correct me if I am wrong here, but I am pretty sure the 10 free strips you will receive are for glucose testing and you only get 2 free strips for ketone testing. The ketone strips are the ones that are soooo darn expensive. I don't know how long after you eat a particular food it affects your ketones, it will affect your glucose within 1-2 hours.
Thanks for all of the great tips on using the Nova meter!

I was assuming that she ordered the 10 ketone strips with free meter from American Diabetes Wholesale since she used the coupon code.
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Hmmm. Potassium supplements, or just potassium? I do know that the supplement tablets have a very low amount in them, possibly for a bad reaction to taking too much? I just can't seem to eat enough potassium rich foods (and I love avocado).

I did read on another board that someone suggested taking 200 mg of magnesium every 2 hours until things "moved." Not an every day suggestion, but if you're really stopped up. I have not tried this myself, nor do I know if it works...
I was looking for potassium supplements and didn't find any on the shelf.
I noticed that the sea salt I'm using doesn't have much in the way of minerals in it. I haven't been dizzy for awhile but the times that it happened I was always deep in ketosis (dark purple sticks). (The fact that I'm not dizzy now makes me wonder if I'm not fully in ketosis yet).

the magnesium still hasn't started to work.. its not that I feel uncomfortable as much as I'm worried about what must be going on in there. This has always been a problem for me with LC for so many yrs. As soon as I have a cheat everything is fine though.
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My recommendation is probiotics for long term 'reliability' and for short term, try mag oxide. For a natural source of potassium, the best source is avocados which also happen to fit into a n.k. woe and provides a ton of fibre!!
tx I wish i liked avocados I know they are so good for you!
which kind of probiotics do you use? there are so many..
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Not sure on the ketosis Kristn, but always have noticed that the fall and short days, long dark evenings bring on a feeling of wanting to eat more carby food, like we are bears getting ready to hibernate. When I was young and slim, and ate whatever I felt like eating, I would put on 10 or so lbs every fall and winter, then take them off during the spring and summer. That worked until I got a little older.
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Thanks for all of the great tips on using the Nova meter!

I was assuming that she ordered the 10 ketone strips with free meter from American Diabetes Wholesale since she used the coupon code.
Oh, sorry, I didn't go look at what they offered. Thought you might have it mixed up with the 10 glucose strips.
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Tablis- I find that drinking 1 tablespoon of olive oil first thing in the morning, followed w/a glass of water really really helps me get things moving!
Sophie thanks. I keep hearing that but there's no way I could down that.
Once a while back I tried the shangrila diet which involved downing oil and I failed miserably I am having 3 TBS of CO daily in the form of fat bombs and I use oil liberally on my (very tiny) salads and with my protein. Its mostly canolla though.
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Morning ladies... so I was back on track yesterday, high fat day of like 80% I think. I got my meter yesterday and had to try it... my ketone one said LO... which means definitely not NK>>> and this was afternoon. I will wait a few more days of getting back into NK to see ... did my glucose this morning fasting and it was 88. Is this good or bad? I am pretty sure I am fine as far as prediabetes, etc.. but I dont know what the numbers should look like. What should they look like 2 hours after eating as well?

The weight came back down a bit today, like almost 2 of the 3+ from yesterday... hate bouncing up and down! I just am greedy and want down down down! LOL

I ordered the Nova Max Plus too.. thats the one I got yesterday. I ordered from american diabetes wholesale and it only took like a week to get it. I ordered the 10 pack of BK strips too...
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tx I wish i liked avocados I know they are so good for you!
which kind of probiotics do you use? there are so many..
You know, I used to like avocado, but now, I'm noticing I like them less and less. I've tried them in restaurants (on burgers, in salads, etc.) and various levels of ripeness at home, and I just don't care for them anymore. Boo.

I use a probiotic by Garden of Life called Primal Defense Ultra. I take 4 per day (1 at a time spread out throughout the day). I used to only take 1 per day and then had to take antibiotics for a bacterial infection when I was pregnant last year, and I've been doing the 4 per day ever since. There are cheaper ones out there, but, when I was researching, I came to understand that you want multiple different types of "bugs" in your probiotic (not, for example, just acidophilis), and the more per serving, the better, so look for measurements in the billions as opposed to millions.
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did my glucose this morning fasting and it was 88. Is this good or bad? I am pretty sure I am fine as far as prediabetes, etc.. but I dont know what the numbers should look like. What should they look like 2 hours after eating as well?
Sources vary on the specific numbers, but 88 is perfectly normal. US Diagnostic guidelines say fasting levels of 100+ are considered abnormally high (be it prediabetes or diabetes - there is some disagreement as to whether "prediabetes" should even be a diagnosis since many believe you either have it or you don't, and that "gray area" just confuses people). By 2 hours after first bite of a meal, some sources say you should be below 140, some say 120, and some say 100. I think 140 is sort of the "good for a diabetic" level, not necessarily the healthiest level, if that makes sense. Studies have shown that damage to organs and such occurs with glucose levels of 140+, so the more/longer your levels are that high, the more impact it may have on your body.
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Sources vary on the specific numbers, but 88 is perfectly normal. US Diagnostic guidelines say fasting levels of 100+ are considered abnormally high (be it prediabetes or diabetes - there is some disagreement as to whether "prediabetes" should even be a diagnosis since many believe you either have it or you don't, and that "gray area" just confuses people). By 2 hours after first bite of a meal, some sources say you should be below 140, some say 120, and some say 100. I think 140 is sort of the "good for a diabetic" level, not necessarily the healthiest level, if that makes sense. Studies have shown that damage to organs and such occurs with glucose levels of 140+, so the more/longer your levels are that high, the more impact it may have on your body.
Thank you Jilly. Yesterday I did it one hour after eating or so (just had gotten the meter) and it was 119 so I guess that should have been okay too? I will hope for lower numbers fasting.. I want low ones!! My mom was 113 fasting... I think she is really prediabetic! She is pretty overweight and has high blood pressure, eats like crap!!
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You know, I used to like avocado, but now, I'm noticing I like them less and less. I've tried them in restaurants (on burgers, in salads, etc.) and various levels of ripeness at home, and I just don't care for them anymore. Boo.

I use a probiotic by Garden of Life called Primal Defense Ultra. I take 4 per day (1 at a time spread out throughout the day). I used to only take 1 per day and then had to take antibiotics for a bacterial infection when I was pregnant last year, and I've been doing the 4 per day ever since. There are cheaper ones out there, but, when I was researching, I came to understand that you want multiple different types of "bugs" in your probiotic (not, for example, just acidophilis), and the more per serving, the better, so look for measurements in the billions as opposed to millions.
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I like a half an avocado, sprinkled with lemon pepper.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:26 PM   #449
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I like a half an avocado, sprinkled with lemon pepper.
I put half an avocado on my green salad!! or wrapped in turkey slices with mayo...
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:38 PM   #450
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Avocado salad... I have this and don't eat (or even think about eating) for another good 8 or 9 hours.
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