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Old 11-15-2012, 09:46 AM   #691
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Cheryl! That is awesome and are you still eating the calorie range that Red figured for you? You inspired me to eat more!!! So happy for you!
Well i have been doing the egg and meat diet, but I would say close some days I went over. I am eating plenty.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:50 AM   #692
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worth a try Nicki!

How do you make the egg drop soup Cheryl? I made it once, years ago.
I just slowly poured 2 beaten eggs into the boiling chicken broth and stirred. I googled it. Didn't really follow all the directions I just wung it.
I did add a swansons flavor boost packet. I hope the sodium does't backfire but I usually eat lots of salt, so I hope it will be fine.

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Old 11-15-2012, 10:08 AM   #693
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I'm a loser today!!! I'm so excited since I really only started making my own meals in the last couple of days. This is day 3 and i dropped 1.6 pounds from yesterday.

day 1- I ate eggs, cheese, bacon with its liquid fat from the pan, guts from a quiche(tossed the crust) peanut butter mixed with soft butter.

day 2 - 3 cups decaff coffee with sweet n low and 1/3 c. of HWC in each cup (
3 slices bacon-cripsy
2 eggs mixed with HWC, parsley, sea salt and pepper- stirred into the boiling bacon fat. This made my scrambled eggs "deep-fried" and I stirred them quickly in the bubbling fat and they puffed up and incorporated all the fat from the bacon. Yummm!
1 Oktoberfest sausage cooked in butter, with 1tbsp chopped onion and a tsp of bbq sauce.
Peanut butter mixed with tbsp honey before bed- slept like a rock-which is a treat since I usually am awake several times per night. I figure the honey probably helped me sleep since it has that effect on me at night.

day 3-today- 1 egg fried, 2 ounces ham, 1 slice cheddar cheese
2 cups decaff coffee with sweet n low and 1/3 c. HWC in each cup
5 oz ground roast beef mixed with 6 tbsp of soft butter, sea salt and black pepper(I really love this stuff- I could eat it everyday) I may not need any dinner but I will have more decaff coffee with 1/3 c. HWC

I haven't logged my food into ******, but I'll keep eating as much meat/fat/eggs/HWC and eggs as I can. I have zero cravings so far even coming off of Hi carb/hi fat stuff the last several weeks/months.

My sea salt is a life saver, I carry it in my purse and take about 1/2 tsp whenever I start feeling strange. I also love my Powerade Zero, I feel much better whenever I drink it.

I forgot to say that in each cup of coffee, I also use 1 tbsp of unflavoured gelatin( it adds 18 extra gm of protein to my daily totals) and is undetectable(to me) in flavour.

Here's how I do it.

In 16 oz travel mug I put about 1/3 cup cold water. I slowly sprinkle the unflavoured gelatin(from the bulk store-$10 a pound) onto the surface of the water. I let it sit for 2-3 minutes til the gelatin has soaked up the water and there is no dry powder visible. Then I fill the cup about 3/4 of the way with Hot hot coffee. This melts the gelatin blob into the coffee, I stir it til its completely incorporated. If you do it right, there are no sticky lumps of gelatin floating in your coffee. Then I add my sweetener and my 1/3 c. HWC. It's a pretty delicious way to get extra protein without having to eat an extra 3 eggs per day.

There are a ton of healthy benefits to adding large amounts of gelatin to our modern diets. IF anyone wants to read more information, you can google " Ray Peat gelatin" 1st search result should be an article about gelatin,stress, longevity. Here's a quote why I like gelatin added to my diet.

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When we eat animal proteins in the traditional ways (for example, eating fish head soup, as well as the muscles, or “head-cheese” as well as pork chops, and chicken-foot soup as well as drumsticks), we assimilate a large amount of glycine and gelatin. This whole-animal balance of amino acids supports all sorts of biological process, including a balanced growth of children's tissues and organs.

When only the muscle meats are eaten, the amino acid balance entering our blood stream is the same as that produced by extreme stress, when cortisol excess causes our muscles to be broken down to provide energy and material for repair. The formation of serotonin is increased by the excess tryptophan in muscle, and serotonin stimulates the formation of more cortisol, while the tryptophan itself, along with the excess muscle-derived cysteine, suppresses the thyroid function.
search and read entire article for the complete context and more information.

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I'm a loser today!!! I'm so excited since I really only started making my own meals in the last couple of days. This is day 3 and i dropped 1.6 pounds from yesterday.

day 1- I ate eggs, cheese, bacon with its liquid fat from the pan, guts from a quiche(tossed the crust) peanut butter mixed with soft butter.

day 2 - 3 cups decaff coffee with sweet n low and 1/3 c. of HWC in each cup (
3 slices bacon-cripsy
2 eggs mixed with HWC, parsley, sea salt and pepper- stirred into the boiling bacon fat. This made my scrambled eggs "deep-fried" and I stirred them quickly in the bubbling fat and they puffed up and incorporated all the fat from the bacon. Yummm!
1 Oktoberfest sausage cooked in butter, with 1tbsp chopped onion and a tsp of bbq sauce.
Peanut butter mixed with tbsp honey before bed- slept like a rock-which is a treat since I usually am awake several times per night. I figure the honey probably helped me sleep since it has that effect on me at night.

day 3-today- 1 egg fried, 2 ounces ham, 1 slice cheddar cheese
2 cups decaff coffee with sweet n low and 1/3 c. HWC in each cup
5 oz ground roast beef mixed with 6 tbsp of soft butter, sea salt and black pepper(I really love this stuff- I could eat it everyday) I may not need any dinner but I will have more decaff coffee with 1/3 c. HWC

I haven't logged my food into ******, but I'll keep eating as much meat/fat/eggs/HWC and eggs as I can. I have zero cravings so far even coming off of Hi carb/hi fat stuff the last several weeks/months.

My sea salt is a life saver, I carry it in my purse and take about 1/2 tsp whenever I start feeling strange. I also love my Powerade Zero, I feel much better whenever I drink it.

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WTG on your loss!
What brand of sea salt are you using? Also wondering what HWC is.
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Red, could you help me again with my numbers? I can't find the original post

5'6, Current Weigh:198 Goal:160 Small Frame 30yrs Young

I've gained 5 pounds since August and have been maintaining since then. I really NEED to scale to move down!!!

I'm so confused. Eat less protein. Eat more fat. Eat less calories. Eat more calories. Ugh.

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Old 11-15-2012, 11:47 AM   #697
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Red, could you help me again with my numbers? I can't find the original post

5'6, Current Weigh:198 Goal:160 Small Frame 30yrs Young

I've gained 5 pounds since August and have been maintaining since then. I really NEED to scale to move down!!!

I'm so confused. Eat less protein. Eat more fat. Eat less calories. Eat more calories. Ugh.

Thanks
If I remember right that original post was back in September and we've done a lot of tweaking since then anyway

Goal Weight: 160

NK Page:
(x*(1-.18)*0.6 = 79-131

Exercise Page:
(x/2.2)*0.8 = 58
(x/2.2)*1.2 = 87
(x/2.2)*1.5 = 109
(x/2.2)*1.8 = 131

Dr. Phinney's recommendation is 1.5g/kg that results in 109g protein daily.

For a goal weight of 160 the calorie goal would be : 2545 (35kCal/kg) with a floor of 2182 (30kCal/kg - for an obese and/or very sedentary person).

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I understand what you are doing with your intermediate goal weight. Just for completeness the height weight frame size chart says a female small framed and 5'6":

5'6"

120-133

...and the numbers for 126 pounds are:

Goal Weight: 126

NK Page:
(x*(1-.18)*0.6 = 62-103

Exercise Page:
(x/2.2)*0.8 = 46
(x/2.2)*1.2 = 69
(x/2.2)*1.5 = 86
(x/2.2)*1.8 = 103

Dr. Phinney's recommendation is 1.5g/kg that results in 86g protein daily.

For a goal weight of 126 the calorie goal would be : 2005 (35kCal/kg) with a floor of 1718 (30kCal/kg - for an obese and/or very sedentary person).

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Also wondering what HWC is.
HWC = Heavy Whipping Cream.

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I'm a loser today!!! I'm so excited since I really only started making my own meals in the last couple of days. This is day 3 and i dropped 1.6 pounds from yesterday.

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Hey Red will you please do my # again for me,thanks I owe you one when I come to Texas...
I'm 5'1 goal is 135. Med frame.and good looking.
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Hey Red will you please do my # again for me,thanks I owe you one when I come to Texas...
I'm 5'1 goal is 135. Med frame.and good looking.
Good looking is worth 30 to 40 pounds

Goal Weight: 135

NK Page:
(x*(1-.18)*0.6 = 66-111

Exercise Page:
(x/2.2)*0.8 = 49
(x/2.2)*1.2 = 74
(x/2.2)*1.5 = 92
(x/2.2)*1.8 = 110

Dr. Phinney's recommendation is 1.5g/kg that results in 92g protein daily.

For a goal weight of 135 the calorie goal would be : 2148 (35kCal/kg) with a floor of 1841 (30kCal/kg - for an obese and/or very sedentary person).

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MMMM...kale chips. Made some today for the very first time. Who knew they were soooo delicious? That they're healthy too is just a bonus!
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So I've been eating 47-55 grams of protein is that to low?
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If I remember right that original post was back in September and we've done a lot of tweaking since then anyway

Goal Weight: 160

NK Page:
(x*(1-.18)*0.6 = 79-131

Exercise Page:
(x/2.2)*0.8 = 58
(x/2.2)*1.2 = 87
(x/2.2)*1.5 = 109
(x/2.2)*1.8 = 131

Dr. Phinney's recommendation is 1.5g/kg that results in 109g protein daily.

For a goal weight of 160 the calorie goal would be : 2545 (35kCal/kg) with a floor of 2182 (30kCal/kg - for an obese and/or very sedentary person).

=====

I understand what you are doing with your intermediate goal weight. Just for completeness the height weight frame size chart says a female small framed and 5'6":

5'6"

120-133

...and the numbers for 126 pounds are:

Goal Weight: 126

NK Page:
(x*(1-.18)*0.6 = 62-103

Exercise Page:
(x/2.2)*0.8 = 46
(x/2.2)*1.2 = 69
(x/2.2)*1.5 = 86
(x/2.2)*1.8 = 103

Dr. Phinney's recommendation is 1.5g/kg that results in 86g protein daily.

For a goal weight of 126 the calorie goal would be : 2005 (35kCal/kg) with a floor of 1718 (30kCal/kg - for an obese and/or very sedentary person).

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I think I'm going to go with the 126 goal weight numbers! I can't even imagine being that tiny! The last time I weighed 126 was probably 20 yrs ago.

So, let me make sure I understand this correctly...

I should Eat 1718 calories a day with 344 of those calories from protein, 100 calories worth of carbs (I intend on eating 25g before subtracting fiber) and the rest from fat?
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Hope everyone is having a great day
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So I've been eating 47-55 grams of protein is that to low?
It looks like that is the Kwasniewski range of protein. So, yes, I'd bump it up but keep fat macro 65%+.
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I think I'm going to go with the 126 goal weight numbers! I can't even imagine being that tiny! The last time I weighed 126 was probably 20 yrs ago.

So, let me make sure I understand this correctly...

I should Eat 1718 calories a day with 344 of those calories from protein, 100 calories worth of carbs (I intend on eating 25g before subtracting fiber) and the rest from fat?
1718 is the minimum. But, yes, those numbers are right - your fat macro ends up being about 75%, protein 20%, carbs 5%. Really good numbers
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MMMM...kale chips. Made some today for the very first time. Who knew they were soooo delicious? That they're healthy too is just a bonus!
I must have done mine wrong when I tried the cause they were
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O yell married to a man 6 ft and 240 lbs.
Depending on his frame size, assuming large framed and goal weight of 188 (which is the top end of the range for a large framed 6 foot man):

Goal Weight: 188

NK Page:
(x*(1-.18)*0.6 = 92-154

Exercise Page:
(x/2.2)*0.8 = 68
(x/2.2)*1.2 = 103
(x/2.2)*1.5 = 128
(x/2.2)*1.8 = 154

Dr. Phinney's recommendation is 1.5g/kg that results in 128g protein daily.

For a goal weight of 188 the calorie goal would be : 2991 (35kCal/kg) with a floor of 2564 (30kCal/kg - for an obese and/or very sedentary person).

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What brand of sea salt are you using? Also wondering what HWC is.
I use Celtic Sea Salt Fine grind and HWC is Heavy Whipping Cream.
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Congrats!!!
thanks, it felt really good to see the drop. Strangely, i knew I had lost weight before getting on the scale because I felt more "compact" if you will. I have noticed in the past, if my fat feels sort of loose and wobbly, I won't have a loss but if my fat feels more tight and compacted, I generally will have a scale loss. It must be the extra water being dumped.
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Breaking news!

The Remaining: Refugees [Kindle Edition] by D.J. Molles has been published. They snuck it out on the 5th.

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I weighed 160.5 this morning.

Bumped up a lb.
I only got in about 1400 calories yesterday, I wonder if that bumped me it could also be too much salt.
Boy you really do have less appetite on egg and meat diet.
Still I am very happy that I saw a 15 in that weight yesterday.
I will eat more eggs today.
I can't call this a egg and meat fast anymore, It is too easy. Fasting isn't nearly as easy as this is.

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