High Fat 80/15/5 - October Version

[Snoangel]

Originally Posted by Buffy45

WooHoo Aliz, love your avatar, hottie, hottie!

Thanks Buffy!

Made me blush. It was nice trying on that dress yesterday and it zipping right up. I'm going to wear it for Halloween with a witch hat and some tall black boots.

[Buffy45]

Originally Posted by alizgurl

Thanks Buffy!

Made me blush. It was nice trying on that dress yesterday and it zipping right up. I'm going to wear it for Halloween with a witch hat and some tall black boots.

Like that is going to "scare" the guys away

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by Buffy45

I gulped some of my Bragg's vinegar

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by HarmsWay

Suggestions? Increase the CO?

Olive oil, CO, MCT oil, real butter, bacon grease and fatty proteins like bacon and sausage.

As long as the oil is high mono/sat fat it is good

[Snoangel]

Originally Posted by Buffy45

Like that is going to "scare" the guys away

Hahaha!! Just wearing it to work for the day

I was reading about finding out what build you are...small, medium, large.
Say I find out that I am small, is there a place online to find out my ideal weight?

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by alizgurl

Good morning ALL!!

Just want to start by saying I started doing LCHF about a week ago after reading alot of Red's posts about NK and MY JEANS FIT!! a pair that was too tight to even button a week ago. They fit real good too, not super tight

What led me to this thread was a couple comments from Red about my concern with meds contributing to my weight gain. Thanks again Red!!!!

I've been comfortable and happy eating this way. I re-started induction a little over a month ago, lost 5lbs then gained most back. frustrated about it I started reading alot, and to me, this thread made the most sense. And I really like the support you all offer to each other

So I upped the fat and lowered the protein and within two days the scale was moving and I actually made my first GOAL I changed it because I thought it was a little high. I'm now thinking 135 to be ideal for me.

I am 145.9 as of now with added water weight.
My average for the last 7 days is...
Calories 1570
fat 135
protein 70
carbs 20 net 14
I will work on upping my fat a little bit.

You are welcome and Welcome to the thread!

Congrats on your loss and jeans victory!

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by alizgurl

Hahaha!! Just wearing it to work for the day

I was reading about finding out what build you are...small, medium, large.
Say I find out that I am small, is there a place online to find out my ideal weight?

Ideal weight is distinct from the height/weight charts. So google 'ideal weight' and you'll get some hits for that sort of calculator.

Google 'height weight chart' and you'll see the charts that guestimate healthy weight ranges for your height. Most of them should break out the ranges per frame sizes.

[reddarin]

Oh! Southern Girl asked about extra small frames --- I haven't seen a weight/height/frame for that so far.

[HarmsWay]

Originally Posted by reddarin

Olive oil, CO, MCT oil, real butter, bacon grease and fatty proteins like bacon and sausage.

As long as the oil is high mono/sat fat it is good

All my favorites! lol
Thanks again for your help.

Since I'm not exactly 80/15/5 (or even close to it yet), would you rather I not post on this thread? I don't want to confuse anyone......I just like the camaraderie and sense of humor in here.

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by HarmsWay

All my favorites! lol
Thanks again for your help.

Since I'm not exactly 80/15/5 (or even close to it yet), would you rather I not post on this thread? I don't want to confuse anyone......I just like the camaraderie and sense of humor in here.

We are a pretty inclusive band of brigands here

80/15/5 is the ideal. I always stay in the 70s but I don't, or didn't before I upped my cals, reach 80 very often.

[Buffy45]

Originally Posted by HarmsWay

All my favorites! lol
Thanks again for your help.

Since I'm not exactly 80/15/5 (or even close to it yet), would you rather I not post on this thread? I don't want to confuse anyone......I just like the camaraderie and sense of humor in here.

NO, NO, NO. Don't you go anywhere, you are wanted and welcome here. We like our camaraderie and sense of humor too and welcome you here. That is something we are kind of shooting for, I think, 80/15/5 but by no means does it mean you have to be there, or lower, or above. We value all thoughts and opinions

[Buffy45]

I usually hit 80 because I love fat, fat, fat, fat. Cream, butter, egg yolks, CO, yummo fatty meats, need I go on?

[HarmsWay]

Originally Posted by Buffy45

I usually hit 80 because I love fat, fat, fat, fat. Cream, butter, egg yolks, CO, yummo fatty meats, need I go on?

LOL! thanks! I just didn't want to cause any confusion since I'm just getting started.

[shelley]

Good morning all....great posts of losses and jeans fitting. Buffy, I also have some cords that I have as "goal pants" for this winter! Such fun.

Fabulous reports on people doing great! Woo hoo!!!!

HarmsWay.....I'm with you on not "following" the 80/15/5 plan, but mine is from very poor results as I'm doing more 82/16/2 and gaining weight AND inches! Go figure. This morning I had yet another 1# gain...up 2.2# from last Wednesday (following everything properly) and my glucose was up to 121 this morning. But I'm not abandoning this fun group. I just can't post any good outcomes for me...I'm going the wrong way. But I am very happy for those that find it working so beautifully for them! Yes, I am!!!!

Edited to add that I just noticed my start weight on this program Sept. 1 at 157.2#. Got down to many many days at 155.0 and couldn't get lower, but this morning I'm back up at 157.2#...right where I started 7 weeks ago.

[dianajlane]

From my journal this morning:

The disheartenation of dieting: why I hate the EMB (Evil Metal Box, aka the bathroom scale).

So this morning, I get on the scale and I weigh the same as yesterday.
That was disappointing in itself, as I had been up slightly yesterday, so I had been hoping to have at least returned to Monday's weight.
After weighing myself, I wandered about my apartment for a while, fed some ducks, loaded the dishwasher, etc. Then I realized I was still wearing my watch. So I decided to reweigh myself (like my watch totally weighs 4 oz - Not!) and, you know, give the scale a second chance. And what does the damn thing do? I'm sure you can guess the punchline: up 0.7.


So what do I weigh this morning? Who knows.
I'm afraid to go for the tie-breaker.
I'll probably be up another pound!

So either the scale is an evil beast or I gain weight from breathing (which I've always suspected).

At least my blood ketones were also up: 1.5

I haven't had a chance to calculate my stats from yesterday, but hopefully, it will shed some light on the uptick.

Laters

[reddarin]

Hi Shelley

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by dianajlane

From my journal this morning:


I haven't had a chance to calculate my stats from yesterday, but hopefully, it will shed some light on the uptick.

Laters

Yeah, daily weigh-ins can be a real downer!

What is your overall trend? Flat, down or up?

[theLossgirl]

Originally Posted by reddarin

Remember, our body is acting like it is starving but it is not truly starving! And if you are eating 1000+ calories, say, you are further confusing the normal body signals to eat like a growling tummy.

*And* we are LC/VLC so we don't have the insulin spikes and valleys that prompt so many hunger signals in the body. This also means that strong hunger signals are muted and easily managed or ignored! I bet every one of us have experienced that - I know I have.

Consider the fact that people that do true multiple day fasts *always* report that after the initial period they no longer experience hunger! Yet they are taking in no calories or close to no calories!

And, I'm not sure I used enough exclamation points in this post so here are two additional just in case!!

Before LC I never missed a cue to eat, lol! But it makes a lot of sense now why my body isn't sending me the typical signals of hunger.

[theLossgirl]

Originally Posted by Buffy45

I usually hit 80 because I love fat, fat, fat, fat. Cream, butter, egg yolks, CO, yummo fatty meats, need I go on?

Amen! I'm on track for a delicious 85%fat/14%protein/1% carbs day.

[dianajlane]

The trend is definitely down since 10/1 (12+ loss since then).

The bad news...

No loss since Sunday - not sure why, same cals, same macro percentages, etc. - and pretty much the same foods each day.

As you can see, patience is not one of my virtues

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by dianajlane

The trend is definitely down since 10/1 (12+ loss since then).

The bad news...

No loss since Sunday - not sure why, same cals, same macro percentages, etc. - and pretty much the same foods each day.

As you can see, patience is not one of my virtues

Dunno what your calorie intake is but bump it by a hundred and see how that works for a day or two

[dianajlane]

Thanks for the input Darrin (or is it Red?)

Here is an average of my first week of HFLC:
1600 cals/day
10.4 total carbs
6.3 net carbs
52.9 protein g
146.2 fat g
82% fat
13% Protein
3% carbs

I chose 1600 calories per day in order to foster weight loss of ~3/4 lb per day (based on my current height, current weight, and goal weight).

I could try keeping protein and carbs the same and add another hundred calories per day of fat, which would get the fat percentage up to 85%.

I believe that 1700 cals/day equates to a hypothetical weight loss of 0.6lbs/ day, which would still be a good loss rate.

BTW: my ketones, have been rising, 1.2 (in the evening), then 0.9 (AM), 1.3 (AM), and this morning 1.5.

Thanks again.

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by dianajlane

Thanks for the input Darrin (or is it Red?)

Here is an average of my first week of HFLC:
1600 cals/day
10.4 total carbs
6.3 net carbs
52.9 protein g
146.2 fat g
82% fat
13% Protein
3% carbs

I chose 1600 calories per day in order to foster weight loss of ~3/4 lb per day (based on my current height, current weight, and goal weight).

I could try keeping protein and carbs the same and add another hundred calories per day of fat, which would get the fat percentage up to 85%.

I believe that 1700 cals/day equates to a hypothetical weight loss of 0.6lbs/ day, which would still be a good loss rate.

BTW: my ketones, have been rising, 1.2 (in the evening), then 0.9 (AM), 1.3 (AM), and this morning 1.5.

Thanks again.

Darin or Red or Major is cool lol

Hmmm. I think I'd try to get the calories in as protein and sacrifice a few percentage percentage points on the fat macro. Your protein level, even adding the 100 cals worth, should still be way too low to worry about excessive glucose conversion.

The ketogenic range for NK is 65-85% fat so you'll still be well into the range.

[dianajlane]

I'll try the following for a few days:

1700 calories/day
65-70 grams protein
<10 Total carbs
and 150 - 155 grams fat

which is 80-82% fat.

Then we'll see what happens via weight and bk levels.

Thanks for the suggestion

[portcop01]

Good midday all sleep in the went to gym and walked on tread mill 40 mins.

Ok those scales are dangerous ...I do use them ever morning.but I don't trust them so what I do is at the end of month I take the total lost and divided it by 4 ..guess what?it always gives me a average of 1.5-2 lbs a week some times I go 10 days no lost sometimes a little gain, but then comes the weight lost of 3 lbs don't no why this happens..another thing for me is some days don't eat enough cals. I also notice the more I stick to simple food I love better.

[portcop01]

I got my COQ10 today wow pricey 40.00 for 2 bottles of 200 mcg.75 in bottle.

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by portcop01

Good midday all sleep in the went to gym and walked on tread mill 40 mins.

Ok those scales are dangerous ...I do use them ever morning.but I don't trust them so what I do is at the end of month I take the total lost and divided it by 4 ..guess what?it always gives me a average of 1.5-2 lbs a week some times I go 10 days no lost sometimes a little gain, but then comes the weight lost of 3 lbs don't no why this happens..another thing for me is some days don't eat enough cals. I also notice the more I stick to simple food I love better.

To paraphrase the esteemed Dr. Phinney....

Everyone has a 'window' of weight. The body is fairly lax about how much fluid it retains at any given time and this is generally about 4 pounds worth.

Think of it as one of those horizontal lava doodads with the blue fluid doing a seesaw motion.

So.

You are kicking butt and shedding weight. You weigh in at the low point on the seesaw with your fluid balance low.

A day or a week goes by and you weigh in again. You *have* lost 2 pounds. *But* the seesaw of fluid is now at its high end completely masking your 2 pounds and possibly even showing a gain.

The next day you weigh in again, having lost another .5 pound off your body for real but the blue fluid has tilted to its low end this time and WHOOSH you see a 5 pound drop!

That is why daily weigh ins are interesting but if you happen to be blessed with a wildly tilting blue doodad you are gonna have baffling daily weigh ins. I think women are much more likely to experience these huge shifts than men because of several factors that I will mysteriously not elaborate on.

[portcop01]

Well said Red!,I love this thread always someone here to help!!!

[HarmsWay]

Originally Posted by reddarin

To paraphrase the esteemed Dr. Phinney....

Everyone has a 'window' of weight. The body is fairly lax about how much fluid it retains at any given time and this is generally about 4 pounds worth.

Think of it as one of those horizontal lava doodads with the blue fluid doing a seesaw motion.

So.

You are kicking butt and shedding weight. You weigh in at the low point on the seesaw with your fluid balance low.

A day or a week goes by and you weigh in again. You *have* lost 2 pounds. *But* the seesaw of fluid is now at its high end completely masking your 2 pounds and possibly even showing a gain.

The next day you weigh in again, having lost another .5 pound off your body for real but the blue fluid has tilted to its low end this time and WHOOSH you see a 5 pound drop!

That is why daily weigh ins are interesting but if you happen to be blessed with a wildly tilting blue doodad you are gonna have baffling daily weigh ins. I think women are much more likely to experience these huge shifts than men because of several factors that I will mysteriously not elaborate on.

I LOVE the way you can describe things so visually Sir Major Red! lol

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by HarmsWay

I LOVE the way you can describe things so visually Sir Major Red! lol

I have hazel eyes so that is probably a factor.