October Nutritional Ketosis Thread!

[Buffy45]

oh yes , the CO makes me warm too but makes me feel like it is melting away my stubborn fat!!

[MerryKate]

Originally Posted by reddarin

MK, are you wheat-free and gluten-free?

No, I'm blessed to not have a problem with gluten, so I don't worry about it. After reading the comments about CO and caffeine, I'm going to go put some in my coffee....can't quite wake up this morning!

[Buffy45]

If you are new to taking CO, work up slowly, can cause some tummy issues

[pantograph]

Wow, everyone has been busy posting this month already! Good to hear lots of positive results.

For the last week I've been eating, on average:
Carbs: 42 g (incl 15 g fiber) - 7%
Protein: 110 g - 19%
Fat: 204 g - 74%
Calories: 2,396 (burning 2,769)

Metrics (7 day moving averages):
Weight: 176.1 (down 0.5 for the week)
Ketones (blood): 0.9 (unchanged)
Glucose: 99.9 (up 5.1)

I had one day with ketones only at 0.3, despite eating well within plan targets the previous day (but no exercise). My ketones are always highest after strenuous activity the previous day. For example, I hit 1.9 on Tuesday after hacking bushes for 2 hours on Monday.

I also measure my urine ketones daily, and they seem to vary inversely with my blood ketone measurements. Maybe that makes sense - if my body doesn't need them for exercise, they get dumped.

I'm going to take a break from food weighing and logging for a while, after doing it for six weeks straight. To save cash, I'm going to only measure ketones twice a week to make sure I'm not straying out of ketosis, but now that I understand what I should eat, that shouldn't be a problem.

Keep clam,
Terry

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by MerryKate

No, I'm blessed to not have a problem with gluten, so I don't worry about it. After reading the comments about CO and caffeine, I'm going to go put some in my coffee....can't quite wake up this morning!

The reason I asked is that you mentioned you suffer from GERD.

It is a tall order but you might find that it clears up completely if you give wheat-free gluten-free just 30 days.

Before I went WF/GF (and I can still eat some gluten just not wheat), I was plagued with heartburn that would not go away and, occasionally, acid reflux. And headaches. And body aches. And other health problems I can't remember off hand.

Anyway, I know at least a little bit of your pain from personal experience and dropping wheat has made such a stunning change in my life I just wanted to share the idea with you.

[Buffy45]

I have Gerd and have already cut my meds for that to half what I was taking, ready to try it every other day for this next month.

[theLossgirl]

Originally Posted by Buffy45

Saw a new low on the scales today, just hope it hangs in therefor my weekly weight posting tomorrow but i was very thrilled to see it

That is awesome! Congrats!

[MerryKate]

Originally Posted by reddarin

The reason I asked is that you mentioned you suffer from GERD. It is a tall order but you might find that it clears up completely if you give wheat-free gluten-free just 30 days.

I may give that a try...I don't often eat products with gluten in them (especially on this NK plan), but I did have an lc-tortilla last night and had all the symptoms this morning - headache, stomach ache and lots of acid. :/ I have been overdoing on the coffee lately, tho, so that's likely the culprit, but it's worth giving gluten-free a try. Makes it that much easier to say no to bread.

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by MerryKate

I may give that a try...I don't often eat products with gluten in them (especially on this NK plan), but I did have an lc-tortilla last night and had all the symptoms this morning - headache, stomach ache and lots of acid. :/ I have been overdoing on the coffee lately, tho, so that's likely the culprit, but it's worth giving gluten-free a try. Makes it that much easier to say no to bread.

!!!

Please give it a try. How wonderful if simply cutting wheat could relieve your symptoms!!!

I had to cut back to 1 cup of coffee a day and had considered quitting it altogether because the second cup gave me heartburn.

I drink 4 cups a day these days and I could drink more if I wanted to

Bacon was instant heartburn. I can eat a pound of it now with no worries.

[Doggygirl]

Originally Posted by Buffy45

Yes it was, I loved it, was so sad to find there was not an update

OMG I'm going to cry.... LOL maybe I'll just stay on XP forever!!!! BTW congrats on your awesome progress! I love looking at your sign line and just seeing that progress with each new line...

DG

[JMCM1]

Well that makes me think more that it was the wheat/grains that was causing my reflux. I drink coffee now with no problems, too. Gave up wheat/grains June 4. I do not miss it.

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by JMCM1

Well that makes me think more that it was the wheat/grains that was causing my reflux. I drink coffee now with no problems, too. Gave up wheat/grains June 4. I do not miss it.

Wheat = EVIL!

[Buffy45]

Originally Posted by Doggygirl

OMG I'm going to cry.... LOL maybe I'll just stay on XP forever!!!! BTW congrats on your awesome progress! I love looking at your sign line and just seeing that progress with each new line...

DG

Thanks DG. I will post a new one tomorrow, I did see a new low this morning so just that it holds for tomorrow, probably won't, usually see a low, then a bounce up for a couple of days, then back to the low.

[Buffy45]

I think I am wheat/grain free now, can't think of anything I am eating that might have those in it but I really haven't paid much attention. Hmmmm

[amlyjo]

Originally Posted by paulabob

I use one that rhymes with my witness pal (can't mention its name).

I use this one too. The app is great.

Sorry I have been a bit MIA. I have been SO busy, limited puter time.

Ummmm...... I saw my weight start with a 2 this morning. (where is the jaw dropping smilie?) >>> this one will have to do: I wanted to pretty much sit on the edge of my bed and cry.

Actually though, it was barely in the 2s, 298, so I might stay off the scale to avoid seeing the inevitable little bounce.

I just stayed the course the last two weeks and the stall broke and the scale moved. I hope it continues. Best of luck to those of you trying to break a stall. It sucks.

[MerryKate]

Originally Posted by amlyjo

I saw my weight start with a 2 this morning. (where is the jaw dropping smilie?) >>> this one will have to do: I wanted to pretty much sit on the edge of my bed and cry.

YAY!!!! That's really great.

[reddarin]

Originally Posted by amlyjo

I use this one too. The app is great.

Sorry I have been a bit MIA. I have been SO busy, limited puter time.

Ummmm...... I saw my weight start with a 2 this morning. (where is the jaw dropping smilie?) >>> this one will have to do: I wanted to pretty much sit on the edge of my bed and cry.

Actually though, it was barely in the 2s, 298, so I might stay off the scale to avoid seeing the inevitable little bounce.

I just stayed the course the last two weeks and the stall broke and the scale moved. I hope it continues. Best of luck to those of you trying to break a stall. It sucks.

Hooray Amy!!!!

[3Kids4me]

Originally Posted by amlyjo

I use this one too. The app is great.

Sorry I have been a bit MIA. I have been SO busy, limited puter time.

Ummmm...... I saw my weight start with a 2 this morning. (where is the jaw dropping smilie?) >>> this one will have to do: I wanted to pretty much sit on the edge of my bed and cry.

Actually though, it was barely in the 2s, 298, so I might stay off the scale to avoid seeing the inevitable little bounce.

I just stayed the course the last two weeks and the stall broke and the scale moved. I hope it continues. Best of luck to those of you trying to break a stall. It sucks.

Woohoo!

Way to keep at it, Amy! And that perseverance paid off.

--Jamie

[clackley]

Just wanted to comment on the GERD issue. I continued to have it long after going wheat and gluten free and a very wise woman who used to post here (Misty) gave me some invaluable information and advice which was that it was likely persisting due to the otc meds I was taking because those actually alter the stomach acid and it was necessary to allow the body to adjust by not taking them.

I ended up basically weaning myself off them and that was about 2.5 yrs ago. I very rarely have any GERD anymore and when I do, it is more like a hiccup - that fleeting.

I did a bit of reading on the topic as well and learned that when a person has been eating a SAD diet and then makes a sudden switch to an Atkins type of diet, that the stomach and digestive track actually have to adjust and that can cause some GERD like symptoms and it is best not to take otc meds as they will actually inhibit the adjustment. It can be a case of low stomach acid.

[Buffy45]

Originally Posted by amlyjo

Ummmm...... I saw my weight start with a 2 this morning. (where is the jaw dropping smilie?) >>> this one will have to do: I wanted to pretty much sit on the edge of my bed and cry.

Actually though, it was barely in the 2s, 298, so I might stay off the scale to avoid seeing the inevitable little bounce.

I just stayed the course the last two weeks and the stall broke and the scale moved. I hope it continues. Best of luck to those of you trying to break a stall. It sucks.

AMY, we are all soooo happy for you, and you know what, 298 is not barely in the 2s, 299.8 is barely in the 2s!!

Staying the course is the key words in your post, that is what it takes. Wow, you are really doing well on HF/MP/LC. Don't you love it???

[Buffy45]

Originally Posted by clackley

Just wanted to comment on the GERD issue. I continued to have it long after going wheat and gluten free and a very wise woman who used to post here (Misty) gave me some invaluable information and advice which was that it was likely persisting due to the otc meds I was taking because those actually alter the stomach acid and it was necessary to allow the body to adjust by not taking them.

I ended up basically weaning myself off them and that was about 2.5 yrs ago. I very rarely have any GERD anymore and when I do, it is more like a hiccup - that fleeting.

I did a bit of reading on the topic as well and learned that when a person has been eating a SAD diet and then makes a sudden switch to an Atkins type of diet, that the stomach and digestive track actually have to adjust and that can cause some GERD like symptoms and it is best not to take otc meds as they will actually inhibit the adjustment. It can be a case of low stomach acid.

And yet, when I went to an Upper GI specialist this summer for Gerd and to inquire about a surgery I had read about to stop it, he said that I had a hernia so was not a candidate for the surgery and to just take more of the OTC meds, they wouldn't hurt me!!! I have read the things you just mentioned and now with being back to LC I am cutting down on my dose and hope to eventually wean myself off of them but it is going to be slow going! I am so sick of doctors who just put you on more and more meds, they don't try to cure you.

[JMCM1]

Originally Posted by clackley

Just wanted to comment on the GERD issue. I continued to have it long after going wheat and gluten free and a very wise woman who used to post here (Misty) gave me some invaluable information and advice which was that it was likely persisting due to the otc meds I was taking because those actually alter the stomach acid and it was necessary to allow the body to adjust by not taking them.

I ended up basically weaning myself off them and that was about 2.5 yrs ago. I very rarely have any GERD anymore and when I do, it is more like a hiccup - that fleeting.

I did a bit of reading on the topic as well and learned that when a person has been eating a SAD diet and then makes a sudden switch to an Atkins type of diet, that the stomach and digestive track actually have to adjust and that can cause some GERD like symptoms and it is best not to take otc meds as they will actually inhibit the adjustment. It can be a case of low stomach acid.

All true.

Getting off the OTC meds to reduce acid produces a huge boomerang effect. I am almost off the ranitidine. I forgot to take an evening dose a few days ago and found I had no reflux! So I'm taking 1/day and eventually will cut that down to nothing.

[JMCM1]

Originally Posted by Buffy45

And yet, when I went to an Upper GI specialist this summer for Gerd and to inquire about a surgery I had read about to stop it, he said that I had a hernia so was not a candidate for the surgery and to just take more of the OTC meds, they wouldn't hurt me!!! I have read the things you just mentioned and now with being back to LC I am cutting down on my dose and hope to eventually wean myself off of them but it is going to be slow going! I am so sick of doctors who just put you on more and more meds, they don't try to cure you.

You should go slowly - you'll be successful that way.

[shelley]

Originally Posted by amlyjo

I use this one too. The app is great.

Sorry I have been a bit MIA. I have been SO busy, limited puter time.

Ummmm...... I saw my weight start with a 2 this morning. (where is the jaw dropping smilie?) >>> this one will have to do: I wanted to pretty much sit on the edge of my bed and cry.

Actually though, it was barely in the 2s, 298, so I might stay off the scale to avoid seeing the inevitable little bounce.

I just stayed the course the last two weeks and the stall broke and the scale moved. I hope it continues. Best of luck to those of you trying to break a stall. It sucks.

Amy, this is just fabulous!!!! And you aren't "barely" in the 200's, you are firmly in them with 2# to spare! That's just wonderful. Keep on doing what you're doing. It's working!!!!

[One maur time]

Originally Posted by reddarin

I have never used it but only because I forget to get it when I am at the store. As long as your carbs are in the right range then it is perfectly fine. I think a lot of people on this thread love it and are using it. I'm very curious to see how it tastes in coffee myself

Dear Reddarin
I think it tastes great in coffee and 1/3 of a cup ( I spread it out over 2 cups of coffee and add 1 tsb of kerrygold unsalted butter) is delicious and satisfying for a really long time. This practice has allowed me to comfortably switch to 2 meals a day with no need for will power.
I have learned that there may be a difference in the quality of some of the coconut creams- some contain less ingredients. There is some discussion among the whole 30 folks about additives. I purchased mine at Trader Joes but there is a Thai manufacturer with 1 less carb per 1/3 of a cup.

I am interested to see if I can find an organic additive free brand ( although I think by definition to have a cream they need to add a thickening agent)


Maureen

[One maur time]

Originally Posted by shelley

I have a few jars of something called coconut cream...but it's not liquid. It's like a combo of coconut oil and ground coconut mixed together. It's like having dessert when you have a spoonful. My jars were purchased years ago....expiration date is 2007!!! ha ha Called the company and they said it was probably just fine. It is! Yummy stuff, but no way would I put it in any coffee or tea. It's like eating a soft macaroon I guess by the blended spoonful.

Dear Shelley
What you describing sounds like coconut butter. The coconut cream is packed in coconut milk and had a thick consistency that melts with heat- immediately.
Maureen

[One maur time]

Originally Posted by mrsjuliekelly

I think I may have broken my stall. I have been hovering between 162.5 and 164 for three weeks now. Finally yesterday morning I get below 162.5. I weighed 161.5. Today, again I weigh 161.5. Yahoo. During the first week on HFLC I lost about 5 pounds then not an ounce for the next three weeks. I know it is not a big loss but I am so happy that the scale is actually moving. I have never really been hungry. I love this way of eating.

Thank you for welcoming me to your group. It is fun reading about your daily menus, etc.

Fantastic!
Maureen

[SouthernGirl61]

Originally Posted by amlyjo

I use this one too. The app is great.

Sorry I have been a bit MIA. I have been SO busy, limited puter time.

Ummmm...... I saw my weight start with a 2 this morning. (where is the jaw dropping smilie?) >>> this one will have to do: I wanted to pretty much sit on the edge of my bed and cry.

Actually though, it was barely in the 2s, 298, so I might stay off the scale to avoid seeing the inevitable little bounce.

I just stayed the course the last two weeks and the stall broke and the scale moved. I hope it continues. Best of luck to those of you trying to break a stall. It sucks.

Amy, that is wonderful. Hugs to you.

[SouthernGirl61]

Originally Posted by clackley

Just wanted to comment on the GERD issue. I continued to have it long after going wheat and gluten free and a very wise woman who used to post here (Misty) gave me some invaluable information and advice which was that it was likely persisting due to the otc meds I was taking because those actually alter the stomach acid and it was necessary to allow the body to adjust by not taking them.

I ended up basically weaning myself off them and that was about 2.5 yrs ago. I very rarely have any GERD anymore and when I do, it is more like a hiccup - that fleeting.

I did a bit of reading on the topic as well and learned that when a person has been eating a SAD diet and then makes a sudden switch to an Atkins type of diet, that the stomach and digestive track actually have to adjust and that can cause some GERD like symptoms and it is best not to take otc meds as they will actually inhibit the adjustment. It can be a case of low stomach acid.

You hit the nail on the head! I reamed my brother for eating Tums, Rolaids, and OTC meds...he was on Nexium once, then they went OTC, boom, he took many of them. Told him to go LC and kill the wheat....great improvement. it's the lack of acid that causes this mess, folks just mess up and kill more of it over and over again. Also a quick easy fix is to mix 1 tsp baking soda, shake a bit of sea salt in, about a quarter cup water, drink. Balancing the alkaline and acid. I do this when on rare occasions I have a tummy ache.

[One maur time]

Originally Posted by Buffy45

Saw a new low on the scales today, just hope it hangs in therefor my weekly weight posting tomorrow but i was very thrilled to see it

Great work Buffy! Savor your victory!,
Maureen