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Old 04-21-2010, 11:08 AM   #1471
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The weight gain is irritating. I honestly believe (and have read) that it is all in the diet. When these "figure" or "bikini" gals are getting ready for competitions their diet is sooo strict and they aren't consuming as much as I thought. I know you aren't doing a competition but just food for thought. It will get better but DIET is where it's at.
depends on who their coach is .. Im not starving or doing any of that insane stupid stuff some of those prep coaches have their girls doing.

my diet is the same as a comp diet.. my training is the same as a competitor.. my coach doesnt diet or cardio his clients like that.. AND speaks out loud so that others know that isnt how one needs to diet to compete.

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Old 04-21-2010, 11:51 AM   #1472
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Oz - Ouch! Sorry for your double whammy.

Jami, throw your scale away! You know better then to get wrapped up with that thing! Who cares what you weigh as long as you're getting smaller and are looking better? FOCUS, girl!

Ayana - what a pretty name! Thanks for finally throwing it out there - I was getting tired of typing afuentes all the time! Have you ever considered just trying what Ileen's talking about? I didn't think that I could lose on so many calories and so little cardio either, but I am. A major switch-up to what you've been doing just might be the thing to get you moving again.

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Ileen - no kidding! I never thought that I could lose doing what Erik's got me doing, but I am. Just goes to show you just how many people have it wrong, and just how few have it right!

Cardio was yesterday, and UB today. After much deliberation, I wound up having a yummy sourdough english muffin with raspberry SF preserves. So many yummy PWO snacks, and so few training days to eat them!

We're going to see Nickelback with Breaking Benjamin and Shinedown tonight at Phillip's Arena! DH wants to leave a bit early and eat at the CNN center to make sure that we don't get stuck in lots of traffic, so I'll be bringing my dinner with me. It's already packed up and ready to go, so I have no excuses not to stay on plan.
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Jami (thanks - my dad picked it) - I don't lose unless I am consuming under 1500 calories. I know you gals are going to say eat more but even w/the exercise, I don't lose unless it is around 1400 calories. My goal is to be in the mid 130's so that is how it is for right now.

Even when I did Atkins, I had to go b/w 20-30grams and nothing more to lose weight.

I am half endomorph and it is hard to lose for me.
I have been eating about 1500 cals, and having a day of maintenance once a week, I dont lose either. I dont want to go any lower.. but
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Jami, just curious: How long has it been hovering in the "stuck" mode?

How are your clothes fitting? Better? Same?

How many cals do you eat on average per day? Do you cycle your calories?

Have you considered dropping your carbs to 100 or below on non-lifting days?

Are you drinking PLENTY of water throughout the day?
thank you everyone for you input! I KNOW,Darn scale.. I should be losing though right! I know you all say dont worry about what the scales say, but, being active, eating right, and working out there should be a drop in the number at some point.

Twyla, Thank you.. I have been in stuck mode since the end of September, when I finished Atkins Induction. I stayed at 139-140, then I changed my WOE to BFL, and I gained just 2 pounds.. I normally stay around 141-142.5. Clothes are fitting, same, tight, loose.. Today they are loose, which is cool, especially since I am 4 pounds heavier... LOL On a daily average my cals are around 1500 mark, give or take 50.. My carbs are 120-140. I look better now than I did before I started lifting because I have built muscle. But, I feel like Im not losing fat like I should. I feel like I am just maintaining. water is decent. I know that I could handle to drink more..
On cardio and off days my carbs are lower because I am not eating pre and post workout meals like I do on lifting days.

Ayana~ Its amazing how different trainers will prep their clients for competitions. Some competitors really do have a strict diet, and they do WAY to much cardio. Ileens coach is more sensible. He actually lets his clients eat, and will adjust the cardio that best suits his clients. But you right. some of those poor souls only eat green beans and tuns everyday until they compete..
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Laura, I saw Breaking Benjamin, and Shinedown before, Great show! Im jealous! I wanna have fun!
So, I am dying to know this ERIK SECRET! I guess I'll pay up! I thought I was doing pretty good with my nutrition.. Complex carbs for my meals around lifting, lean meats and veggies and fruits for the remainders... On cardio days I cut down on my carbs and cals..
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depends on who their coach is .. Im not starving or doing any of that insane stupid stuff some of those prep coaches have their girls doing.

my diet is the same as a comp diet.. my training is the same as a competitor.. my coach doesnt diet or cardio his clients like that.. AND speaks out loud so that others know that isnt how one needs to diet to compete.
LOL! I like the way he sounds. Have any of you girls posted your menus of what he has you eating? I am sure it is different for each client. Heck you probably already have posted it and I missed it. I'll go to the other "place" too and look.
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Ayana - what a pretty name! Thanks for finally throwing it out there - I was getting tired of typing afuentes all the time! Have you ever considered just trying what Ileen's talking about? I didn't think that I could lose on so many calories and so little cardio either, but I am. A major switch-up to what you've been doing just might be the thing to get you moving again.


What is Ileen's formula or coaches actually? That is what I mentioned on my previous post. I am wondering if you ladies posted similar and I missed it. I like the thought of not as much cardio (although I do enjoy it too - I know weird) and not dropping calories so much. What I eat, I know, is very important.
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Menus or plans tho have similarity are individual. We aren't allowed to post our plans tho.
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Menus or plans tho have similarity are individual. We aren't allowed to post our plans tho.
I went on Erik Ledin's site and liked what he said (paraphrasing): "typically females of a lighter weight require lower caloric intake so doing more cardio might be beneficial to create a deficit. This way they can eat more." Aint that the truth!

A deficit is a deficit. So far, eating more than 1400 calories makes it so I don't lose much at all. I do not do tons of cardio (4x's a week) - I mainly weight lift but I do like my kickboxing class. :blush:

So I will stick with what is working - I am still losing for now so that is a good thing.
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I went on Erik Ledin's site and liked what he said (paraphrasing): "typically females of a lighter weight require lower caloric intake so doing more cardio might be beneficial to create a deficit. This way they can eat more." Aint that the truth!

A deficit is a deficit. So far, eating more than 1400 calories makes it so I don't lose much at all. I do not do tons of cardio (4x's a week) - I mainly weight lift but I do like my kickboxing class. :blush:

So I will stick with what is working - I am still losing for now so that is a good thing.
i believe that is for lighter wt clients.. not our wt range.
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Stayed up a little late last night to watch the final of Australia's 'So You Think You Can Dance' so didn't get up early for a workout. DD came in for cuddles this morning and when I said I had to get up to bring in the washing from downstairs she said, 'and do a workout'. So I have my own little coach now - so cute.

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Hi everyone!

Back from the gym. My daughter leveled up in gymnastics, which is good for her and for me...it means I can go work out 4x a week again.

I did do a "comp diet" during the last week of my in-person program and I hated every second of it. I felt very deprived and tired and only lost .5% of body fat. I only ate shrimp, chicken, fish and green vegetables. If I was going to ever compete, I'd have to find a better way for me personally.
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i believe that is for lighter wt clients.. not our wt range.
Whatever. LOL! I have tried going higher and I gain. I am keeping what works.
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I did do a "comp diet" during the last week of my in-person program and I hated every second of it. I felt very deprived and tired and only lost .5% of body fat. I only ate shrimp, chicken, fish and green vegetables. If I was going to ever compete, I'd have to find a better way for me personally.
that doesnt make it a comp diet. There are no rules for a comp diet, other than being consistant and losing body fat..

There is a very famous trainer that puts his clients on fish and veggies , he gets results and his clients end up sick with a very high rebound/wt gain when the comp is done..

My comp diet includes ALL food/groups(protein, fat and carbs) all the way to the end. Here is a client that just competed PRO fitness (works with my coach) she ate ALL food groups through her whole prep and had all out cheat days in the final month plus before comp and refeeds prior to that.

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Clothes are fitting, same, tight, loose.. Today they are loose, which is cool, especially since I am 4 pounds heavier... LOL On a daily average my cals are around 1500 mark, give or take 50.. My carbs are 120-140. I look better now than I did before I started lifting because I have built muscle. But, I feel like Im not losing fat like I should. I feel like I am just maintaining. water is decent. I know that I could handle to drink more..
On cardio and off days my carbs are lower because I am not eating pre and post workout meals like I do on lifting days.
Jami, IMO -- and I'm no expert, just have gleaned a greater understanding of how metabolism works (and doesn't work) over the last couple of years -- the 1500-give-or-take-50 is a good avg when dieting for your build and for someone who is committed to dedicated recomp, weight training, etc., but it's somewhat on the lower end of avg, and that said, I would think your body would be more responsive if you were to up your cals to the 1700-1800 range at least once or twice a week, have the 1400-1500 range once or twice a week, throw in a maintenance day once a week, and another one somewhere in between.

Consistently hovering around 1500...same ol same ol same ol deficit, your body needs reassurances that it wil not be deprived of necessary fuel to keep its furnaces running in top form.

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"... end up sick with a very high rebound/wt gain when the comp is done..."

I can believe it.

Here is a client that just competed PRO fitness (works with my coach) she ate ALL food groups through her whole prep and had all out cheat days in the final month plus before comp and refeeds prior to that.


Ileen, I can't see the pics. I wanna see!

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oh goodness.. that is NOT me,,., that is a friend on another site..

her name is Sandi (.i look like my avi though.

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Jami, IMO -- and I'm no expert, just have gleaned a greater understanding of how metabolism works (and doesn't work) over the last couple of years -- the 1500-give-or-take-50 is a good avg when dieting for your build and for someone who is committed to dedicated recomp, weight training, etc., but it's somewhat on the lower end of avg, and that said, I would think your body would be more responsive if you were to up your cals to the 1700-1800 range at least once or twice a week, have the 1400-1500 range once or twice a week, throw in a maintenance day once a week, and another one somewhere in between.

Consistently hovering around 1500...same ol same ol same ol deficit, your body needs reassurances that it wil not be deprived of necessary fuel to keep its furnaces running in top form.

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Twyla, Thanks.. I think that I have hoovered over all those calorie levels and maybe that is where the probelm came in.,. although on all those levels I didnt' lose either.. But, I will try switching things around like that for a while to see if I notice changes..
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Gahhh...yes, I'm more than a little embarrassed.

But...it COULD be you from what I've seen on here! Anyway, you are still amazing!
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Lisa, That was Sandi, isn't she pretty Ileen does look wonderful too though! I wish I had half the dedication she has... Dream it, see it, achieve it! RIGHT!!
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OMG, y'all were busy posting it up while I was offline!

So many good posts that it'll take a year to quote and respond to them all, so I won't even try. What I will say is this:

Erik works wonders. He's able to carve beautifully sculpted bodies by having his clients eat well - and healthfully - and a minimal amount of cardio to go along with weight training. Just look at Sandi's pics - I read her journal over at LBF, and know what she was eating on her refeed days. We're talking five bowls of cereal plus lots of other stuff, people! Ileen gets refeed days when she can enjoy her nachos and other LF high carb goodies. I haven't had one yet, but definitely look forward to the day I do get one. Until then, I'll make due with my yummy PWO snacks.

I think what makes Erik brilliant is that his meal plan really is designed to help you build a better body from the inside out, instead of outside in, like so many other coaches do. I'm sorry, but eating fish and lettuce for weeks on end and doing 2+ hours of cardio a day isn't healthy. It's stupid. Erik's clients are able to maintain their weight pretty close to their competitive weight, unlike many others, who bounce up a good 10-15+ pounds in non-comp season. That in itself speaks volumes to me.

Erik may be a bit pricey, but what I'm learning from him while he's my coach is priceless. Even if I couldn't afford him after my initial 12 weeks, what I've learned so far (and I'm only two weeks in) will definitely help me stay on course to being healthy and continue to better myself.

I can't say that about the $1000+ I paid for my stupid Metobolic Research plan that I lost all that weight with back in 2003. That stupid 1200 calorie plan nearly blew out my metabolism. Thank God I found Ileen here, and got hooked up with Erik. I really think this will change my life.

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The concert last night totally rocked! All the bands sounded great, and we had a good time. I wound up bringing my food with me since Dave (DH) wanted to eat at the CNN Center, so I was able to stay totally on plan. I wore my size 6 jeans even if they were a bit too tight. Hell, it was a rock concert, so I fit right in! Dave told me that I looked super sexy and my friend Jen even told me that I looked tiny! I'm not, but it still made me feel good.

I was down another pound this morning, so that makes 3 lost so far. Not that a big a deal, but I lifted yesterday, so I was expecting a higher number, not a lower one. I wonder if my muscles are done holding onto that extra water weight? I'm not going to concern myself with all that too much, because I really mean it when I said that I don't give a crap about the number on the scale. I honestly have no goal in mind as far as my weight goes - my goal is to get into my size 4s.

I ran outside today for my HISS cardio. HISS quickly turned into HIIT, as there was no way that I could run that long. I about died! The good news is that I have lots of room for improvement!
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that doesnt make it a comp diet. There are no rules for a comp diet, other than being consistant and losing body fat..

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She looks great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wow! I'm so far behind in this thread!

Just wanted to stop by and say hello. Been super busy, plus my mom broke her foot so I'm having to take on her chores, errands, etc.! Anyway, I haven't been working out per se (& I miss it!) but I've been running my legs off.

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Start Date: LowER C since 2/02 wt training 10/15/02
healing thoughts to mom!!

Laura i've had Sandi's kind of refeed. Im working my way back to it.. I have a pretty generous one right now(it got increased with last biweekly update) likely uncounted carb one(which is eat as much carbs as you want (lf) sometime soon ..

and then all out free day

I cant imagine any program that puts everyone on that little food, no matter what you weigh..
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