Creatine and Induction

[JSmooth619]

I have taken Creatine in the past and have loved the my gains, but I always would take creatine with grape juice. According to my trainer you need to take with sugary drink to cause and insulin spike and thus making the creatine more effective. (I know there is a scientific explanation, but thats that way it was explained to me.

Now I am still on induction doing about 15-20 carbs a DAY. I cant afford the 35g of carbs in a cup of grape juice.

Have any of you taken creatine while on induction?

[2big4mysize]

creatine used to come in a low carb version so you don't need the dietary glucose.

you do know the gains were fluids stored with the increased creatinephosphate used as a source of energy during phosphogen energy usage.

[JSmooth619]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

you do know the gains were fluids stored with the increased creatinephosphate used as a source of energy during phosphogen energy usage.

Of course I did! (not really)

Please enlighten me.

[2big4mysize]

your trainer got the liquid right but for the wrong reason. grape juice isn't an acitic drink which is what you need to avoid since you want the cratine inside your muscles and not being excreeted as a waste product which is what happens in an acid enviornment.

creatine is also a water absorbing molecule so it is holdiong fluids in your body where ever it is sitting thus increasing the size of the tissue in which it is sitting. that is one reason users who does before a big game usually suffer lots of cramps during the game.

you are primarily using it for help with the phosphogen energy system which is the breaking of the P molecules from glucose 6 phosphate and ATP molecules inside the cells. those are the first bonds to break in energy usage. BY allowing the body to reproduce the ATP faster with a phospahte molecule supply readily at hand it is thought the fatigue factor can be reduced in those exercising muscles.

so basically you are swelling your tissues to look bigger and helping restore the body energy units faster.
Atkins is a diuretic process so you could get into some cramping issues but the reason most folk do atkins is weight loss and using the fatty acid energy creation system to remove stored body fat and burn it off. You'd like your muscles to need replacement enrgy enough to evoke a call for more fuel so the chemical that liberates fatty acids from body fat cells will keep being genrated.

[JSmooth619]

Wow!

Great post.

I turly appreciate your insight on Creatine and Atkins.

[yorick]

I take Creatine while doing Atkins - I just drink it with water and it seems to still work well for me.

I did a lot of research into this, and apparently there are other low carb bodybuilders that find Creatine works well without the carbs. I don't have the time to post links/references right now, but everything I found was through Google anyway.

If I remember correctly, Creatine is made up of 3 amino acids. It is probably an oversimplification to assume that amino acids won't be utilized in the absence of carbs. That would be like saying all the protein I eat won't be utilized in the absence of carbs. I can assure you that I'm gaining a lot of strength and muscle size while low carbing - with and without the creatine.

[Stackdiesel]

JSmooth,

I still use creatine during induction. Shuttling creatine via a fast-acting carb solution does optimize creatine's cell volumizing and ATP resynthesizing effects, but is not necessary to still obtain most of creatine's benefits. As Yorick pointed out, many bodybuilders who use ketogenic diets utilize sodium and creatine loading to maintain fluid volume in the muscle cells in the absence of glycogen. It works well.

[jamistar77]

JSmooth
I use NO Shotgun. It has a mixture of creatine, cassein and whey proteins in it. NO SUGAR!! I use this pre workout and i get insane workouts! Well, insane for a chick. LOL

[JSmooth619]

Woah!

Thanks everyone for the useful info. This is why I love LCF.

[theoverman]

as the mountain man always told me...

"increase your sensitivity to insulin"

basically there is not never [sic] a good reason to spike insulin. and creatine is a whole 'nother can of worms.

here's what he looks like for credibility's sake

[yorick]

Originally Posted by theoverman

as the mountain man always told me...

"increase your sensitivity to insulin"

basically there is not never [sic] a good reason to spike insulin. and creatine is a whole 'nother can of worms.

here's what he looks like for credibility's sake

Does this guy follow a strict ketogenic diet? He's pretty ripped.

[theoverman]

Originally Posted by yorick

Does this guy follow a strict ketogenic diet? He's pretty ripped.

his diet is pretty scientific, but if i had to define it, i would say he's borderline keto.

[2bflawless]

Originally Posted by theoverman

as the mountain man always told me...

"increase your sensitivity to insulin"

basically there is not never [sic] a good reason to spike insulin. and creatine is a whole 'nother can of worms.

here's what he looks like for credibility's sake

Excuse me if I say...WOW! Whatever he's doing is working. Moi caliente!

[Lisa46]

Originally Posted by theoverman

as the mountain man always told me...

"increase your sensitivity to insulin"

basically there is not never [sic] a good reason to spike insulin. and creatine is a whole 'nother can of worms.

here's what he looks like for credibility's sake

**** thud ****