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Old 02-27-2008, 03:33 AM   #1
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Question about lifting weight and being overweight

Last night was my first night to workout at the Y. The instructor told us not to do weights until we are much closer to goal. She said that if we would lift weights that our fat would turn hard. Is this correct? I was wanting to get my underarm area toned more because I could knock someone out with my bat wings, but she says that if I just concentrate on cardio that everything will just fall off....Thought I would ask here about this.
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No that's not true. She's an idiot.

The best thing you can do right now is lift weights. The more muscle you have, the higher your base metabolism, the better you'll look. I'd start out with a full-body workout 2-3 times a week. Lift weights that are heavy for you, 6-10 reps/3 sets. Don't buy the pink weight/high rep silliness either

As for doing hours of cardio, it's pretty worthless in my opinion. But, I admit to being biased becuase I despise the concept Look into HIIT (high intensity interval training). It's probably the best way to get your cardio.
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If you wait to strength train, you'll lose more muscle mass than you would if you start now. Lifting all along will help keep the muscle you do have. So I'm going to agree with Tamara!
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She's an idiot. I started with weights and cardio at 320. See my blog for the results. I credit the routine with me fitting in a 14/16 top and 18/20 bottom in the 280s...
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yes, agreed. wow. she is an idiot. keep doing what you are doing! the idea that the "fat turns hard" is complete bs! by incorporating resistance training with cardio, you are going to burn fat off faster, and build lifelong great habits, not to mention an awesome stress reliever!
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I concur... She's a major idiot... You want to maintain your lean body mass and lose fat. Weight training will help you do that!

Muscle is more metabolically active than fat.

Start with a basic full body routine, like this one and do it 3xs a week....
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SNJ! uggh - get rid of her!!!! Listen to everyone out here... Maybe the "gym" is afraid if ya'll do weights you'll (hurt) yourselves? But doing too much cardio can really hurt a person too...

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No that's not true. She's an idiot.

The best thing you can do right now is lift weights. The more muscle you have, the higher your base metabolism, the better you'll look. I'd start out with a full-body workout 2-3 times a week. Lift weights that are heavy for you, 6-10 reps/3 sets. Don't buy the pink weight/high rep silliness either

As for doing hours of cardio, it's pretty worthless in my opinion. But, I admit to being biased becuase I despise the concept Look into HIIT (high intensity interval training). It's probably the best way to get your cardio.
Definitely lift wts! large compound movements, little isolation (small muscle)

do be careful with hiit tho.. slowly work up to such intensities when your not accostum to it , especially running.. Have to watch those joints.
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I am a big girl and I lift and have lifted for almost 6 months now.

I have lost 56lbs but 30 of that was after lifting weights in the last 20ish weeks I have lost over 30inches.

I wouldn't trade it for the world...most people think I weigh about 160-180 or so when I am 204 (I have 130lbs LBM)
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SNJ! uggh - get rid of her!!!! Listen to everyone out here... Maybe the "gym" is afraid if ya'll do weights you'll (hurt) yourselves? But doing too much cardio can really hurt a person too...
May I ask how can doing too much hurt me? I am new at the exercise thing, so I am really just soaking up all the info I can get right now. I don't want to hurt myself. The only exercise I am used to is walking 6 miles and sometimes riding my bike 6 miles but that was last summer...this is the first time for in a gym. Last night I did do the machines for the stomach, obliques and triceps, and did the ellipitcal. So how many minutes each night should I do cardo for?
I guess I just need to get a plan down, but not sure what machines are the best ones. I am just confused I guess. My areas I really want to work on are:
underarms, hips, stomach. I really appreciate all the advice and information you ladies are giving to me.

When I look at your progress, that gives me so much encouragement...I can do it too!!
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May I ask how can doing too much hurt me? I am new at the exercise thing, so I am really just soaking up all the info I can get right now. I don't want to hurt myself. The only exercise I am used to is walking 6 miles and sometimes riding my bike 6 miles but that was last summer...this is the first time for in a gym. Last night I did do the machines for the stomach, obliques and triceps, and did the ellipitcal. So how many minutes each night should I do cardo for?
I guess I just need to get a plan down, but not sure what machines are the best ones. I am just confused I guess. My areas I really want to work on are:
underarms, hips, stomach. I really appreciate all the advice and information you ladies are giving to me.

When I look at your progress, that gives me so much encouragement...I can do it too!!
I would highly recommend using free weights as much as possible.

Ileen will probably expand on this but don't worry you won't get all muscular like a professional bb!
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Agreed. Free weights are much better. But it is intimidating.

Is there a trainer at the gym that would be able to give you an intro to the weight section without the commentary?

If you don't have someone that can work with you to start, you may be better off sticking with the machines until you're more comfortable and confident. The most important thing in lifting is form, you need to have good form or you can hurt yourself. While the machines aren't perfect, they do make it easier to lift in better form.

I stick with the machines that work the larger muscles. I love the chest press (incline and straight), leg press, seated rows, and lat pull-downs. I use dumb-bells for biceps at home when I get bored and the TV is on (not very often ).

I generally do a full body 3 times a week. I use the seated row, chest press, and leg press. I'll alternate the incline press and lat pull-down. That's it, nothing fancy, none of the little isolation machines like the inner thigh thing. Just make sure that you're lifting weight that is heavy for you. You should feel that it's difficult to lift on your last rep, but should still be able to do it in good form. I also do callanetics and/or pilates a couple times a week, very good for abs and lower back and relaxing.

OK - I'll confess, I haven't been to the gym in 2 weeks, dang flu!

I'll leave cardio to someone else and there are ladies in here that are much more knowledgeable than I about weights also, hopefully some of them will chime in.
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Tamara - we like a lot of the same stuff! Lat pulldowns are one of my favs!

Cardio is great for your heart, and will help in losing weight, but it's not the only thing to do, and wasting hours of time doing something that can be done in a fraction of the time is much more productive.

Our "Y" has a class that I took to get aquainted with the free weight area - Women on Weights. It was awesome... they held it in the early evening after the after-work crowd was gone, so we ladies wouldn't have to fight with the body builders. I learned a ton and had a chance to get accustomed to the different toys!

For me - I do lifting on M/W/F, usually no cardio on those days as I spend all my energy on weights. T/Thu and either Sat/Sun from March/Nov we run/walk outside. 1-2 days are fast walks, 1 short run and during race seasons-1 long run. I never got into the ellilptical and TM's scare me (I'm a dork) I'll do the stationery bike once in a while and in warmer weather bike with the kids.

Take your time, check out the exercise websites and what some of us are doing, and yes - check out your gym and see if they have a class or someone to just show you around a bit ...
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focus on the "big" exercises - like Tamara, i too skip the inner thigh exercises.
i alternate between pushing and pulling exercises.
though my routine varies, a basic workout is: shoulder press (or the press) the lat pulldown- i love it, too! chest flyes/presses on an exercise ball, using barbells
cable row, leg press, squats, hamstring (on the ball)

you can find a description for many exercises on the internet
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Now I'm no expert, but I found that when I started doing resistance exercises it actually made me feel more like doing cardio - because with stronger muscles it's easier. Cardio is great to increase your heart strength but I've always thought lifting weights was the other 50%.
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WOW! You ladies are full of great information!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!
Now how do I know how many calories I need to be eating to lose weight with working out. Right now I get maybe 1000-1200 cal a day. I don't really watch my carbs a whole lot. I needed to do something that I knew I could stick with and watching my cal. seems to be working for me. But, I don't want to get to a point where my body is in starvation mode. So how do I find that out???
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for cals, you should be eating about body wt x 12. do not buy into women need to be eating 12oo cals. someone weighing 200 say and 135 shouldnt be eating the same cals.

Get at least 1gm of protein for body wt and about .5 gms of fat. Fill in carbs around your training.

If you have to start with machines but please try to advance to free wts. Machines lock you into a single plan of motion and dont let you use as many stabilizing muscles (think abs/core) when you train like that.

you might want to start with a full body movement that incorporates hitting chest, back (horizontal and vertical) Shoulders and legs (hamstring and quads ) those are major compound muscle that do the most work. Dont focus to much on the small muscles like biceps, triceps and calves to start as you will hit those when training the large compound muscles.
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So I should be aiming for 2640 calories a day??? I think I would gain on that many cal. I will try it and see how it goes. I will def. try to work my way up to the free weights. You all have been a huge help. Thank you for everything!!!!
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So I should be aiming for 2640 calories a day??? I think I would gain on that many cal. I will try it and see how it goes. I will def. try to work my way up to the free weights. You all have been a huge help. Thank you for everything!!!!

If you stay below 10 times your body weight for too long you WILL stall and your body will start holding on to every morsel and you will do metabolism damage.

Why eat 1200 calories if you can loose on 2640?

p.s. don't go from 1300 to 2600 immediately...take a week at say maybe 1600 then a week at 2000...I think our trainer has something about repairing metabolism on his blog. (Ileen has posted it elsewhere but leanbodyconsulting.com is the website) I was 233 when I started with him 22 weeks ago and about to hit 199 and more importantly lost 30+ inches so I tell you this not to sell his services but to have you research what advice he gives as it works.
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Last night was my first night to workout at the Y. The instructor told us not to do weights until we are much closer to goal. She said that if we would lift weights that our fat would turn hard. Is this correct? I was wanting to get my underarm area toned more because I could knock someone out with my bat wings, but she says that if I just concentrate on cardio that everything will just fall off....Thought I would ask here about this.
This person, instead of being employed by the Y, needs to get a job a the WHAT!?!

Obviously, this individual is clueless about the way the body works. Fat does not turn hard from lifting weights. That is actually the most absurd statement I've heard this year. (And that is saying something.)

Cardio is good, but is much, much more effective with the addition of resistance training.
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I am doing both, cardio and weigh machines ( still not comfortable with free weights, working on that) Right now I am just having a hard time losing weight. I am not down very many inches, and the weight is just not budging. I am actually up a few pounds. I am currently just watching calories, and now I am wondering if I should start to eat low carb to get the weight moving.....WHAT IS THE BEST FOOD PLAN TO DO WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND WANTING TO TONE??? I am lost.
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there is no best food plan. Its all what you can stick to providing you dont have any food sensitivities.

what are your cals like?
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My calories have been around 1700-1900. I have been slowly adding more cal. in since I am lifting and doing cardio.
Here is what my exercise sched. is

Mon, Wed, and Fri: 20 min. elliptical, 15 min. treadmill with upper body weight machines
Tues, thurs, and Sat: 20 min. elliptical with lower body weigh machines

I am in a weight loss challenge (it is with the county I live in) and I HAVE TO lose something FAST in the next 7 days...our weigh in is on the 10th. I am actually up from my last weigh in...I told my DH that exercise and I don't get along...LOL I quit losing when I started working out...frustrating!!
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