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Kevinpa 07-13-2007 11:21 AM

Erythritol Hard Candy
 
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I had my Mad Professor Hat on last night trying to develop a thick erythritol based liquid that I could use as a sub for honey. Although I didn't have much luck with the honey, I did stumble onto some killer hard candy.

I brought and kept a ratio of 3:1 erythritol to water to a slow boil in a non stick pan for approx 5 minutes. At that point I added 1/2 tsp of LorAnn's peanut butter favor oil and let the motion of the low boil incorporate the flavor thru-out for another 5 minutes. The temperature at this point was 300 degrees and I removed it from te heat. I then poured the ultra hot liquid into cooking oil sprayed mini muffin pan. What I ended up with was a very smooth, very hard, non grity piece of peanut butter candy, with no cooling effect. Dang, now I wished I would have used a smaller mold.

Bfranke 07-13-2007 02:09 PM

My mother used to make awesome hard candy, of course it was made with sugar, corn syrup, LorAnn flavoring. Many years she made as much as 25# for gifts. What she did was to oil an 8" x 8" pan, and pour the cooked to temp candy into it. As it cooled, she used a metal spatula to score it. She did this several times, and when cool, she could just tap it on the counter and it would break in to neat 'pillows'. I wonder if you could do this with your cooked candy to make smaller pieces?

Actually, hard candy was something I have wondered about, and hoped one day we would have a recipe.

Bette

magnamater 07-13-2007 02:23 PM

I know you said 3:1. . .but for that amount of flavoring, 3 cups or what?

Yeah, I know, I said no treats! But this does sound promising. . .for the future. I'd want smaller molds. . .maybe order some from lorann.

Kisal 07-13-2007 02:37 PM

Okay ... I'll be making a mini batch of this over the weekend. I have my candy molds out and ready to go, because I was planning to make some more coconut bark (I found some antique molds made of metal). Also, my latest order from netrition arrived yesterday, so I have a lot of the LorAnn oils to play with. :D

Kevinpa 07-13-2007 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by magnamater (Post 8910000)
I know you said 3:1. . .but for that amount of flavoring, 3 cups or what?

Yeah, I know, I said no treats! But this does sound promising. . .for the future. I'd want smaller molds. . .maybe order some from lorann.

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Originally Posted by Kevinpa (Post 8908882)
I brought and kept a ratio of 3:1 erythritol to water

When it had boiled down what was left filled up 12 mini muffins.

That Girl 07-13-2007 09:09 PM

my sister used to make candy for the holidays, she would pour the hot mixture on a cookie sheet and when it was cooled she would crack it up w/a hammer. dusted them w/powdered sugar lightly to prevent sticking. that was a great treat. might have to try your recipe. thanks

Kevinpa 07-13-2007 09:14 PM

Let me add that depending on how sweet you like your hard candy you may want to add some form of splenda to this. I for one do not like my hard candy super sweet so I did not.

Kisal 07-15-2007 08:22 PM

I didn't get to play with making the hard candy this weekend, but I did get my yard work finished. :D On Wednesday, the painters are coming to do the inside of my house, and they're gonna start with the kitchen, so I won't likely get to the candy for a while.

I do have a question, though, Kevin. Instead of using erythritol to make a substitute for honey, would it work just to thicken some DaVinci's sf simple syrup by reduction, and then add honey flavoring to it? I don't have enough experience at this kind of stuff to know why erythritol is the better way to go, so any information would be appreciated.

Kevinpa 07-15-2007 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kisal (Post 8919118)
I do have a question, though, Kevin. Instead of using erythritol to make a substitute for honey, would it work just to thicken some DaVinci's sf simple syrup by reduction, and then add honey flavoring to it? I don't have enough experience at this kind of stuff to know why erythritol is the better way to go, so any information would be appreciated.


Kisal, if you were to heat and reduce sugar water the mixture would thicken because of the sugar in it. Without that sugar you would have water and no matter how much it was reduced, it would never thicken....just evaporate. The same thing happens with davinci, it would never thicken....just evaporate. This is why most commercial fake honey's have maltitol in it for the sugar like properties. I was experimenting to try and find an alternative that was more friendly to the digestion. The real tough part is being able to do it without the very strong crystallization of erythritol getting in the way. One thing is certain, it will take more than simple reduction to make it work.

Kisal 07-15-2007 09:43 PM

Got it! Thank you, Kevin! :)

TropicalSummerNite 02-26-2008 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevinpa (Post 8908882)
I had my Mad Professor Hat on last night trying to develop a thick erythritol based liquid that I could use as a sub for honey. Although I didn't have much luck with the honey, I did stumble onto some killer hard candy.

I brought and kept a ratio of 3:1 erythritol to water to a slow boil in a non stick pan for approx 5 minutes. At that point I added 1/2 tsp of LorAnn's peanut butter favor oil and let the motion of the low boil incorporate the flavor thru-out for another 5 minutes. The temperature at this point was 300 degrees and I removed it from te heat. I then poured the ultra hot liquid into cooking oil sprayed mini muffin pan. What I ended up with was a very smooth, very hard, non grity piece of peanut butter candy, with no cooling effect. Dang, now I wished I would have used a smaller mold.

Do you think there's a way to create something like a "Coffee Nip" using this recipe? (Nestlé USA | Find Nestlé Brands)

Kevinpa 02-26-2008 09:39 AM

I think lorann oils has a coffee flavor you could use, but it would be just hard candy and not have the chewy center like nips do.

TropicalSummerNite 02-26-2008 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevinpa (Post 9990674)
I think lorann oils has a coffee flavor you could use, but it would be just hard candy and not have the chewy center like nips do.

Do you think it might turn out chewy-er if cooked for less time?

Kevinpa 02-26-2008 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sabal5 (Post 9990788)
Do you think it might turn out chewy-er if cooked for less time?

no, erythritol crystalizes very quickly.

TropicalSummerNite 02-26-2008 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevinpa (Post 9990991)
no, erythritol crystalizes very quickly.

Oh, that's too bad. Well, it was nice to dream for a while! LOL

Thanks, Kevin.

Soobee 02-26-2008 10:44 AM

What if you layered your candy? First layer erythritol hard coffee-flavored candy. Second layer coffee flavored fudge. Third layer erythritol coffee-flavored candy.

Kevinpa 02-26-2008 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Soobee (Post 9991067)
What if you layered your candy? First layer erythritol hard coffee-flavored candy. Second layer coffee flavored fudge. Third layer erythritol coffee-flavored candy.

That may work as long as the hot candy didnt melt the fudge. I never tried it though.

jacksmixedtape 03-16-2008 09:44 PM

I wonder why this doesn't have the cooling effect. I was trying to make candy the other day with erythritol and it crystallized quickly and became cloudy and hard to pour, sort of like fudge that has set too quickly. It had a very strong cooling effect.

I will have to follow your recipe exactly and try this! Sounds great. I wonder if it'd be possible to make a gooey caramel topping for the honey consistency. Perhaps if you boiled it at a hot enough temp like with caramel making?

CreekWatcher 03-17-2008 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksmixedtape (Post 10069843)
I wonder why this doesn't have the cooling effect. I was trying to make candy the other day with erythritol and it crystallized quickly and became cloudy and hard to pour, sort of like fudge that has set too quickly. It had a very strong cooling effect.

I will have to follow your recipe exactly and try this! Sounds great. I wonder if it'd be possible to make a gooey caramel topping for the honey consistency. Perhaps if you boiled it at a hot enough temp like with caramel making?

Scott123 reported some time ago that he made a good caramel sauce with a mixture of sugar subs, poly-d primarily; it's in the poly-d sticky for this forum, post # 47 page 2.

sungoddess 10-18-2008 06:45 PM

bump for the approaching holidays

SugarPop 10-18-2008 09:44 PM

Hmmm, this looks interesting. In the picture the candy has a tan color to it......Is that from cooking - or did the oil color the mixture?

I looked on Amazon and saw some cute Xmas candy molds - If this could be clear and food coloring and oil added that would be cool. Possible?

B

sungoddess 10-19-2008 07:24 AM

I made some chocolate mint flavored ones in my wilton candy molds. Fun! I need to do more experimenting as I previously ran out of erythritol!

SugarPop 10-19-2008 07:30 AM

Were you able to have the mixture be clear and then add green food coloring? I'm trying to understand, because I think of hard candy as basically clear as a base - with added color making it whatever color you wish it to be. So this turns out hard like a lifesaver, right?

B

That Girl 10-19-2008 11:33 AM

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sungoddess 10-19-2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SugarPop (Post 11011880)
Were you able to have the mixture be clear and then add green food coloring? I'm trying to understand, because I think of hard candy as basically clear as a base - with added color making it whatever color you wish it to be. So this turns out hard like a lifesaver, right?

B

The mixture was clear until I added the flavoring. The flavoring itself was brown so it colored the mixture brownish. I didn't bother adding green coloring to it as I was not sure what color brown and green would make. :sick: When I did make it with colorless vanilla extract and it stayed clear and I could color it.
Yes it turns out hard.

SugarPop 10-19-2008 12:02 PM

Thanks sungoddess

B

dkerfoot 02-02-2010 06:37 AM

My results were not good
 
My results were very disappointing. I used powdered Ceylon cinnamon for the flavoring. I brought the temperature to 310 degrees. At this point it started to darken slightly, so I removed from heat and poured into buttered mini-muffin pans.

The resulting candy was not pleasant. It had a very grainy, crumbly texture that was very different from regular hard candy and had a pronounced cooling effect.

I am not sure if using the powdered cinnamon made the difference or if we just have very different standards for what is an edible hard candy.

Beeb 02-02-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevinpa (Post 9990674)
I think lorann oils has a coffee flavor you could use, but it would be just hard candy and not have the chewy center like nips do.

NIPS in my part of the country don't have chewy centers, at least not the caramel or coffee ones, so I think a coffee favoring of some kind would be just right for these.

Beeb 02-02-2010 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevinpa (Post 8908882)
I had my Mad Professor Hat on last night trying to develop a thick erythritol based liquid that I could use as a sub for honey. Although I didn't have much luck with the honey, I did stumble onto some killer hard candy.

I brought and kept a ratio of 3:1 erythritol to water to a slow boil in a non stick pan for approx 5 minutes. At that point I added 1/2 tsp of LorAnn's peanut butter favor oil and let the motion of the low boil incorporate the flavor thru-out for another 5 minutes. The temperature at this point was 300 degrees and I removed it from te heat. I then poured the ultra hot liquid into cooking oil sprayed mini muffin pan. What I ended up with was a very smooth, very hard, non grity piece of peanut butter candy, with no cooling effect. Dang, now I wished I would have used a smaller mold.

Kevin, can you explain 3:1 in measurement terms? :confused: How much erythritol and how much water? Us non-scientific minds would like to be able to measure and pour.....thanks!!

ravenrose 02-02-2010 12:16 PM

Kevin, when you were talking about retarding the crystalization I thought about cream of tarter. Someone, was it you?, mentioned not long ago how it is reputed to have the same anti-crystalization properties in candies as corn syrup does... I can't find that now. But the person only used a small amount, say 1/8 t., in a recipe.

I would also suggest some gum in it, probably guar.

netrition honey is made with Xylitol, right? I got some and am underwhelmed, but you might want to try Xylitol in lieu of erythritol. They use xanthan gum. I suggested guar because it thickens less per volume, and I was thinking the gum volume might be needed to keep the erythritol from crystalizing. The Xylitol might be less finnicky.

I think the citric acid or something like that would be necessary too, to make it more realistic. Honey has a real bite to it!

Global Sweet Smart Sweet Xylitol Honey

Actually, why are you cooking it that much? To improve the texture? I am imagining something could be done without getting anywhere close to the boiling point that might coax an entirely different molecular behavior from the erythritol.


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