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Old 03-05-2014, 04:29 AM   #1
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One week in and have some questions...

I have some questions on the induction phase and Atkins in general.

I started last Tuesday at 328.6 pounds and this last Tuesday I weighed in at 319.2. Being 6'5" people don't think I weight this much lol.

I'm eating 20 carbs or less a day using meat, eggs, pork rinds, pepperoni sticks, taco salad without shell, Atkins bars and shakes.

After a few days in I have a constant headache and stomach ache. Is this normal or should I get checked out by doctor? Six days left on induction phase lol.

What's the deal with Milk? I used my carb counter calculator to check carbs on 2% milk and it comes out to zero carbs yet I see everyone say you can't drink milk? Why is that if the net carbs are zero? What am I missing?

Thanks for your help in advance.
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Hi Larry,

Congratulations on starting and dropping almost 10 lbs! And welcome to LCF!

Are you drinking enough water?

Also, what helps the headaches is a nice cup of salty bone broth. This will replenish your minerals and make you feel better.

Milk contains lactose, which is a sugar, and thus it has plenty of carbs. I would stay away from it. My carb counter says that it's 11 carbs per cup...

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I remember the last time I went on Atkins with the carbs under 20 per day. I got a headache so bad I thought something was really wrong with me! I made a doctor's appointment and was in so much pain she scheduled a ?catscan? Whatever that test is they do to see what's going on in your brain.

But I decided I had had enough of the headache, so I bought some caffeine pills. Voila! the headache went away and I called to cancel the test.

If you are trying to stay away from caffeine, I am not sure what to advise you.

I don't have headaches very often, so for me, it was excruciating. Hope you get the right advice that helps YOU, Larry.
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Hi Larry,

Congratulations on starting and dropping almost 10 lbs! And welcome to LCF!

Are you drinking enough water?

Also, what helps the headaches is a nice cup of salty bone broth. This will replenish your minerals and make you feel better.

Milk contains lactose, which is a sugar, and thus it has plenty of carbs. I would stay away from it. My carb counter says that it's 11 carbs per cup...

xxx Chloe.
The milk does say 11 carbs but when you use a carb counter calculator for net carbs it says its zero after taking the numbers from carbs, fiber, sugar alcohols and calories. I know the calculator works the way its supposed to because I have used many times on my Atkins bars to see if it comes up with the same number.

I got the carb counter on android market for my Samsung G4.

I will be buying some beef broth cubes today so hopefully that helps.
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Old 03-05-2014, 04:47 AM   #5
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I remember the last time I went on Atkins with the carbs under 20 per day. I got a headache so bad I thought something was really wrong with me! I made a doctor's appointment and was in so much pain she scheduled a ?catscan? Whatever that test is they do to see what's going on in your brain.

But I decided I had had enough of the headache, so I bought some caffeine pills. Voila! the headache went away and I called to cancel the test.

If you are trying to stay away from caffeine, I am not sure what to advise you.

I don't have headaches very often, so for me, it was excruciating. Hope you get the right advice that helps YOU, Larry.
I was drinking about a gallon of water and stopped soda intake a month before I started induction phase so I don't think its caffeine with drawls. I don't drink coffee or energy drinks either. Only caffeine was from soda.

I drink about a gallon of water a day.
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Welcome Larry
Milk (assuming it's real milk and not almond or coconut milk) doesn't have any fiber or sugar alcohols to deduct, so what's on the label it the actual carbs
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Welcome Larry
Milk (assuming it's real milk and not almond or coconut milk) doesn't have any fiber or sugar alcohols to deduct, so what's on the label it the actual carbs
That sucks lol. I love milk and when I looked at label it showed a fiber and sugar count. Didn't say sugar alcohol so that must be the missing piece.

Got so happy when I thought it was zero carbs lol. My wife has a gallon of milk to drink now and she doesn't drink much lol.
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Sorry to burst the bubble
Have you tried unsweetened almond milk? It's really good! If you want more of a "real" milk taste, to 1 cup of the unsweetened almond milk, add 2T half and half. For 2g carbs, it's a pretty good deal
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:08 AM   #9
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Can you go longer than 2 weeks on the induction phase? I ask because I don't want to end up in a coma so I'm wondering if others have and if they experience any serious issues?
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:11 AM   #10
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Here is a sub-forum that is specific to Atkins induction
You'll find a lot of people that do extended induction and aren't in a coma, or have their kidneys explode, etc
Atkins Induction - Low Carb Friends
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Why would you end up in a coma?

You can do induction level carbs for as long as you like really.

Of course it's wise to climb up the carb ladder at some point before you reach your goal.

Have you read any of the LC books that lay out a specific programme?
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:28 AM   #12
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My wife told me that some people have went into a coma from ketosis lol.

Haven't read as much as I should except the things I'm concerned about.
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There's a world of difference between diabetic keto-acidosis (which can cause coma) and benign dietary ketosis (which is what low-carb causes).
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I can highly recommend the following books for you, it will help you make this diet into a life long success:

- Why we get fat by Gary Taubes
- Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution by Dr Robert Atkins
- The art and science of low carb living by Drs Phinney and Volek

Wishing you continued success in your weightloss journey and happy reading!

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Old 03-05-2014, 08:26 AM   #15
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Maybe its a man thing Larry, but I experienced the upset stomach for the first week or so, I changed nothing and it disappeared, I would recommend the broth though, but chicken tastes much better than beef imo.
The headache might be the Atkins/Keto "flu" it should pass when you're body is adapted to fat burning (if not sooner) if it lasts longer than 2 weeks I'd be concerned, possibly, I never experienced it myself.

Regards to long term induction, you're fine, ask drs. Phinney and volek, and countless others which call this diet "Keto"
I've been Keto 10 months now, not dead yet
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First time I tried Atkins, we were doing the older one and caffeine was to be avoided. I had a caffeine withdrawl headache by day two, and went back to caffeine.

A lot of things can trigger headaches, dehydration, stress, allergies, caffeine addiction, etc.

I stayed on induction for over a month. I'm closer to induction with my carb intake now, 7 weeks in, that I am to phase 2. I probably still eat less than 20g a day.

Those pound will shed off quickly if you can stick with it. I'm 6-3" and started out around 290. I weighed 259 this morning, 7 weeks in.
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:29 AM   #17
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! Larry!! This is totally normal. The first time I did Atkins I was sooo sick! I actually stopped for a few days. But, the good news is, it'll go away. Most likely sugar withdrawals. Good job on the 10lbs so far.

Hood's makes a low carb milk, Calorie Count Down. But I like Dottie's idea. Hadn't heard that one before. Always learning something!

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Old 03-05-2014, 02:07 PM   #18
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My suggestions: bone broth with some butter. Yum! And give up the Atkins bars. It's just a bunch of processed crap and it is a well known weight loss staller.
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I've been on the Atkins 72 version of Induction for just over a year now.... still now coma.
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I experienced some of those symptoms when I restarted. They went away after a week or 10 day which was longer than I remembered the first time. I often go back and forth in between induction and maintenance carb levels. At the beginning I'd say I went several months at sub 20 carb levels except for a few random days where I had some beers. It just get easier. Once you give into a craving though it can be hard to pull back.
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:28 AM   #21
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Pork rinds (unless you make them yourself), pepperoni, bars and shakes are all highly processed foods, containing aditives that might be responsible for your headache and/or stomach problems. Try swapping those for real food, like meat, fish, eggs and green veg, and see if it helps.
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Old 03-06-2014, 04:25 AM   #22
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Thanks for all the advice. This diet is a simple one for me honestly.

I didn't drink alcohol before Atkins, don't really like pastries, don't care for cake or ice cream that much at all, don't drink coffee.

I would rather have nachos or steak and fries lol. Drank a lot of soda and loved fruit type of candy.

Hardest thing for me on this diet is not eating fruit. I love oranges and could eat a lot lol.

I have always loved eggs and some kind of meat for breakfast so that's easy for me but I do mist my corned beef hash and eggs and hashbrowns with breakfast.

I have eaten the Atkins bars since day one everyday and still lost 10 pounds in first week so it must not stall my weight loss.

I need to add variety to my meals so I don't get burned out so if you guys have any suggestions let me know.

I will be buying shitake noodles for pasta and would like some ideas on low carb spaghetti sauces, Alfredo sauces and chili con carne without beans.
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6 months extended induction here and so far so good.
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Old 03-06-2014, 05:53 AM   #24
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6 months extended induction here and so far so good.
In 6 months you lost 232 pounds staying on induction phase?
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Old 03-06-2014, 05:58 AM   #25
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no those stats are start weight/current weight/goal weight

so kay9 has lost 111 lbs in that amt of time, which is wonderful!!!!
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:17 PM   #26
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Yea that is awesome! That's around the same amount of weight I want to lose.

I would like to be around 225 pounds.
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Pork rinds (unless you make them yourself), pepperoni, bars and shakes are all highly processed foods, containing aditives that might be responsible for your headache and/or stomach problems. Try swapping those for real food, like meat, fish, eggs and green veg, and see if it helps.
Couldn't agree more! Whole food is best.
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I have eaten the Atkins bars since day one everyday and still lost 10 pounds in first week so it must not stall my weight loss.
Don't start counting your chickens too fast, there, cowboy! Most of the weight lost in the first two weeks is water weight, which is why you can feel so rotten. Your body is also losing sodium and potassium, that's why salty broth and potassium rich veggies like avocado help. After your water weight comes off the body can start burning fat. But those bars are not healthful and may still yet cause you to stall. Just because they say Atkins on them does not mean much. The name was sold, but dr. Atkins would never have recommended them.

Real food is where it's at!
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Old 03-09-2014, 01:58 AM   #29
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Few more quick questions...

1. What is flax is see everybody talking about and how does it work within the Atkins diet?

2. Any low carb ketchups on the market?

3. Since most meat is no carbs can we eat as much as we want?

4. What's the best veggies for low carb?
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About flax: use flax meal because seeds go through your system unprocessed. Flax meal is good to keep things moving and carbs are equal to fiber for zero net carbs. I put 2 tablespoons in my protein shakes. It also contains good oils. My favorite low carb vegetables are:
Zucchini - spiral sliced to act like pasta
Spinach - fresh or frozen - good for crustless quiche
Asparagus - with homemade hollandaise sauce
Butter lettuce - I make lettuce wraps with thin sliced roast beef and avocado
I have seen low carb ketchup but they contain sugar alcohols which can cause stomach upset.

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