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Old 11-15-2013, 06:54 AM   #1
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10 grams NC, 1500 calories, no loss, what's next after 2 weeks?

I've been low carbing since March 2013 with no results, except clearer mind, more energy. By results, I mean weight loss.

I've experienced with FAT/PROTEIN ratios but it made me confused.

Now I've been on 10 grams of carb, 1500 calories for 2 weeks. I'm not looking for a eat this - not that - response.

Just wondering what has worked for some members. Without touching the fat/protein ratios, keeping the carbs at about 10 grams, should my calorie intake go up or down?

I'm kinda hoping that lots of people have had success with MORE CALORIES, rather than with less...
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Old 11-15-2013, 07:21 AM   #2
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What's your height, gender and frame size? Perhaps your body is happy where it is at. I have heard that low carb diets tend to allow people to get to a good weight for their body, which may be higher or lower than their current weight.
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Old 11-15-2013, 07:26 AM   #3
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What's your height, gender and frame size? Perhaps your body is happy where it is at. I have heard that low carb diets tend to allow people to get to a good weight for their body, which may be higher or lower than their current weight.
I've heard the same. If you want to see a smaller number on the scale you might try going down in calories. Some people also find that they are actually smaller at a higher weight when they live a low carb lifestyle.
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Old 11-15-2013, 07:39 AM   #4
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I'm kinda hoping that lots of people have had success with MORE CALORIES, rather than with less...
Have you tried ignoring calories completely? I don't count calories at all. I eat acceptable foods until I am satisfied.

I did calculate once for curiosity and I was at about 2000. Most of that was from fat. I eat a lot of fat because I like it and it satiates me.
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Old 11-15-2013, 07:49 AM   #5
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I'm a 51 year old female, 5'5 or 5'6. Thanks Aquarius - so it's true that more calories can mean a better weight loss. 2000 calories is just a beautiful number.

I don't know what to do at this point : try going lower, or higher.

Hopefully, with such a low carb intake (around 10 grams a day), both solutions could work.
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Old 11-15-2013, 08:00 AM   #6
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I can only share my own experience. I am a higher weight than you are, and I would GAIN on 1500 cal. We're all different, but as we 'age,' our metabolisms slow, and we need fewer calories to just maintain our weight.

You should ignore any 'calculators' that tell you how many calories to eat. You need to use your own body as an 'experiment.' There has to be a caloric deficit for weight loss, regardless of the plan, so if you are maintaining (not losing or gaining) at 1500 cal, logic suggests that you need to go lower for loss--i.e., create a caloric deficit.
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Old 11-15-2013, 08:12 AM   #7
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Thanks Aquarius - so it's true that more calories can mean a better weight loss. 2000 calories is just a beautiful number.
As others have said, we're all different. That is what I've found, and yes, I agree, 2000 calories is a beautiful number. FWIW, I am a woman, 45, 5' 5', with a medium/small frame.

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There has to be a caloric deficit for weight loss, regardless of the plan, so if you are maintaining (not losing or gaining) at 1500 cal, logic suggests that you need to go lower for loss--i.e., create a caloric deficit.
There is some controversy over this, as with calorie theory in general. Atkins covers this in his 1992 edition. I believe all calories are NOT created equal. I'm sure I would gain on 2000 calories if they were mostly carb and protein. I have found that what is important is to keep my body in a fat-burning mode. And dietary fat feeds the fire, so to speak - if I was a counter I'd probably find that there is a fat gram number that is optimum along with carb grams. All I can say is it's probably high with respect to what conventional wisdom would have us think.
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Old 11-15-2013, 09:00 AM   #8
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Have you ever experimented with high fat/moderate protein/low carb?? I can eat more calories this way by moderating my protein. I am currently eating about 2000 calories per day and am still losing. Of course I am a lot heavier than you are. I really think that this could possibly help you. Check out the NK thread.
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Old 11-15-2013, 09:08 AM   #9
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While people here (and elsewhere) endlessly debate the 'calorie' issue, there is NO scientific basis for weight loss other than an energy (i.e., caloric) deficit that forces the body to use body fat for its energy needs.

As I tried to point out in my post, what that deficit is differs by individual.

I eat very low carb (and have for years), but I also need to carefully monitor my calories. I can very easily gain with <20g carbs a day if I eat above my caloric maximum.

I am not claiming that this is true for anyone else; all any of us can do here is share our own experience--which is what I intended.

No one's experience is necessarily true for anyone else, but the basic scientific principles that govern weight loss are universally true.
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:14 AM   #10
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I wonder if part of the issue is that you have a relatively small amount of weight to lose to reach your goal. I too only wanted to lose about ten lbs. when I started back at the beginning of Sept. I have lost weight but only about 7 lbs since then although I've never deviated from my LC plan (except for having a daily drink of straight vodka or bourbon before dinner). I'm sure that my evening cocktail has contributed to the slowness of my loss but, in fact, I'm satisfied with the way things are going. Even though the scale doesn't show any big change, I can once again fit comfortably into clothes which had grown too tight and that is a big relief for me. Anyway, when I compare my slow rate of loss to that of other people here who lose 10 lbs in a week what success I've had seems mighty puny indeed. But I've also come to realize that when you just have 10 lbs or so to lose, your progress is bound to be much slower than that of many others so I don't get discouraged. Perhaps this might explain your situation as well.
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:29 AM   #11
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Just wondering what has worked for some members. Without touching the fat/protein ratios, keeping the carbs at about 10 grams, should my calorie intake go up or down?
Down. 1500 is most likely not low enough for weight loss, at your current weight and age, and with your goal.

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I'm kinda hoping that lots of people have had success with MORE CALORIES, rather than with less...
I'm sure we would all like that to be the case, but it doesn't seem to be. Not in your weight range.
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:41 AM   #12
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The issue with smaller women that don't have much to lose is usually too many calories, especially if you are older. 1500 is probably too much.

I wouldnt have lost from 130 to 110 on 1500 calories. You have to eat according to your body size. I eat about 1200 cals now- maintaining at goal.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:31 AM   #13
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I did try high fat/moderate protein/low carb, but forgot about the calories. Wondering if that would make a difference.
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At the weight you are now and the weight you want to get to and 10gm of carbs or below and not losing, it's going to come down to calories.

I'm 57 and 5'3 and my calories *average* around 1300 (some days 900, some days around 1400 or so) over a month. I have been trying to lose weight but have managed to drop about 5 pounds in the last 4.5 months.

You may have to drop down several hundred calories and then still be patient for slow weight loss just because of where you are now.
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:57 AM   #15
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I think it would be worth a try. I found, at one point, that I was feeling too hungry between meals so I tried upping my fat intake, which of course increased my calories, and that increase led to a stall. Right now I'm trying to reduce caloric intake by cutting back from 3 meals a day to only two and that seems to be helping me and it hasn't been that difficult to manage.
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I know even though I am not close to goal yet, if I go over 1300cals for more than two days in a row, I will start gaining. I don't think anyone can really tell you THIS is what will work. You have to learn for yourself what works for you.
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Old 11-15-2013, 12:49 PM   #17
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1200 - 1300 is a real tiny amount of calories for me - at least psychologically.
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lol...for most people it is.. But for me it is what works and is double what I was eating and gaining on. I gain at 600 to 900 cals and I gain at 1400-1650cals. I am very carb sensitive due to meds I am on.

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Old 11-15-2013, 01:12 PM   #19
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You get used to it. It's definitely enough for your body, not always enough for the mind.

My problem was that before I would want to eat as much as other people, uh no it doesn't work like that. But, really I couldn't compare myself to them- either the other person would be overweight/obese (while I was trying to lose and now maintain) or they were a a guy that was 7 inches taller than me (I can't eat for a height/frame that I don't have).
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One more thing I forgot to mention - With only ten#s to lose, you really don't want it to come off quickly. I forget the exact wording Dr. A used, but he basically said that once you get to 10lbs to lose you only want to lose at most a pound a month to ensure that you are not losing LBM.
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One more thing I forgot to mention - With only ten#s to lose, you really don't want it to come off quickly. I forget the exact wording Dr. A used, but he basically said that once you get to 10lbs to lose you only want to lose at most a pound a month to ensure that you are not losing LBM.
Thank you so, so much for posting this dear mjgh06. It really makes me feel better about my progress and it certainly helps to know that the slower weight loss may be beneficial and healthier. I so appreciate learning this.
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Dr. Atkins does say that people can and should expect their weight loss to slow down a lot once they are that close to goal, BUT he gives an example of a woman who started at 5' 2" and 156 pounds, with a goal weight of 115; she lost 21 pounds in the first month--which I do not think is typical of a woman that size--and then she lost 7 the next month, and her final 13 in a "leisurely 3 months". Uh...I think 13 pounds from 128 to 115 in three months' time is not slow at all. In fact, it's better than most of us are going to experience. (this is from page 195 of my edition of DANDR.)

It took me nine full months to go from 128 to 118. I didn't choose that or try to slow things down to a total crawl; it was just my rate of loss. If it would have happened faster, I don't think I would have been in danger of losing muscle mass or anything like that.

I don't mind that it took me so long. But I always scratch my head when people talk about deliberately "slowing down their weight loss" or doing something different to "try to stop losing" because that wasn't the case with me, and not for a lot of people. I never "tried" to slow anything down. It was just slow for me--and steady, and got me to goal, so it's all fine with me.

If people are not losing, whether on a long stall or in maintenance, then they already know how to slow down or stop their weight loss. In order to keep losing, they need to change something (the most common culprits being too many calories, and carb creep, in my opinion).
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Old 11-15-2013, 03:12 PM   #23
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Maybe I am the only one confused. You said you've been on LC since March and at 1500 calories and 10 NC for 2 weeks.

So, what were you doing calorie/carb-wise the other 8 months. Is this 1500/10 a new adjustment? Or am I missing something?
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The only time I had a sever weight loss stall, even trying a fast and zero carbs and 1200 calories I did something crazy. I threw in one half hour of exercise. I use either an XL glider or a Palates. I don't excise on a regular basis but when I do I have a better rate of loss. Because of arthritis I have to use low impact and sometimes just don't feel like it.
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Maybe I am the only one confused. You said you've been on LC since March and at 1500 calories and 10 NC for 2 weeks.

So, what were you doing calorie/carb-wise the other 8 months. Is this 1500/10 a new adjustment? Or am I missing something?
It is a new adjustment. I got side-tracked by fat|protein ratios; 2000 calories (eat fat lose fat); a sense of accomplishment if I lost 2 pounds (hey, I can eat anything I want now!); and sites that bashed low carb as being silly/dangerous - "if you obsess about an extra carrot, that you're mad as hell".
The high fat/medium protein/low carb got me in a real bind - made me gain! This is why I'm trying real low carb (below 10 g most day) and around 1500 calories.
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I also thought that 1500 calories was the lowest I should go on Atkins. That's what the Web site says.
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I don't have time right now to read the responses but have had success with no reward eating. You can read about it on Steven Guyanet's blog wholehealthsource with his blogs called the case for the food reward hypothesis of obesity, part one and part two. It is a very difficult thing to do but if you have stuck with under 10 grams of carbs since March you are pretty tough!

Without going into the science of it you put no seasonings on your food. Just plain meat, eggs,chicken, maybe brocolli or lettuce with no salt, no butter, no sauces etc. It tricks your brain into thinking you are hardly eating at all. I lost about 10 pounds pretty quickly until I fell off the wagon.
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Maybe I am missing something but it seems like you might be at your goal weight if your stats are correct. You seem to indicate that you currently weigh 130 and you say you are
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:20 AM   #29
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Maybe I am missing something but it seems like you might be at your goal weight if your stats are correct. You seem to indicate that you currently weigh 130 and you say you are .

That sounds like goal to me.
My goal is 126, which I was able to attain and maintain with WW for 3 years. Being miserable and obsessed with food most of the time, I decided to switch to Atkins. Up went my weight (now at 132 for 2 weeks).

My true, beloved vanity goal is 120.
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Ok, I understand now. But given what you've said, maybe a mixture of the two approaches might make sense.

The science says if you eat more protein than you need, your body is going to treat it "comparable" to carbs. I'm two years older than you, same height, but higher weight. I limit my calories to 1300-1500 with a target spread of 70-75% fat, ~20% protein, and ~10-20% carbs. My carbs are are normally about 10-30g, BUT never more than 80g of protein.

If you've foregone ratio spread tracking, is it possible that in lowering your carbs to less than 10g, you've replaced the calories with protein rather than fat?
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