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Whyohwh 10-31-2013 12:22 PM

Has anyone been on LC for over a year without results?
 
And if so, why did you continue eating low carb?

After 8 confusing months on Atkins/low carb, I'm wondering if there are lots of people in my situation. Love the low carb, hate the no result part.

With any other diet/way of life, I would have stopped long time ago.

MargD 10-31-2013 12:50 PM

I have been "just" maintaining for about a year. I primarily eat this way because I have a strong family history of diabetes. My fasting blood sugar went from 99 to 82, which thrills me.

For the last year, or so, life has been stressful and chaotic, so I'm glad to be maintaining at this point. Once things settle down, early next year, I will try some different approaches in an effort to start losing again.

I should emphasize that I'm strict and never deviate from LC WOE, so I'm not quite sure why I'm not losing right now, but I don't have the mental space to devote to weight loss at this time.

Aomiel 10-31-2013 12:56 PM

If you mean by no weight loss, remember that is not the only reason to do low carb. :) Many of us will stay low carb the rest of our lives because we have better control of our diabetes.

So, looking at your stats, you want to get to 120 but have been 130 for the last 8 months? What do your macros look like (calories, carbs, fats, proteins) and how consistent are you as following your plan...meaning have you had times when you just had a high carb meal, snack, alcoholic drink, etc...or were you 100% compliant?

Arctic_Mama 10-31-2013 02:16 PM

On low carb, if my calories are too high I maintain. Period. And yes, I've maintained on low carb for month on end on and off, with pregnancies and nursing. I stay on plan regardless, because my health is much improved this way. My inflammation is better, my acne is gone, my period is more regular, my immune system is improved. Moreover low carb is infinitely more forgiving for maintenance than calories, alone. I can eat way more food and richer, tastier stuff, to boot, as long as I control my carbs. If I disregard carbs and just try maintaining through calories it is a constant battle against hunger and regain.

Low carb is so much healthier for me in obvious and unavoidable ways. Whether I lose or not I have so much more stability and improved physical condition it would be insane and foolish to ever go back to a more standard diet. Whole foods alone just doesn't do it for my body like eating low carb and food logging does. It is the ONLY reason I have stayed highly weight reduced for so many years.

smoky 10-31-2013 02:25 PM

I do low carb to keep my blood sugar under control any weight loss is a bonus. cools be your weight is we're it wants to be.t:D

Anonymousity 10-31-2013 03:46 PM

How tall are you?

If you're already at a normal weight, then it may be your body's way of saying you don't need to lose more.

That close to goal, you really need to watch your calories and carb/fat/protein levels. Its not as simple as "eating low carb"

Josh1234 10-31-2013 04:27 PM

Low-carb by controlling blood sugar levels has many benefits including weight loss. Still at some point your body hits its proper weight and weight loss should stop. Doesn't this make sense if one is eating properly?

Given that high blood sugar is also associated with energy crashes, attacks of hunger, inflammation in the body, metabolic syndrome and perhaps things like dementia, it is worth continuing a low or lower carb diet, IMHO. Your Milage May Vary.

peanutte 10-31-2013 05:01 PM

You're starting out at a weight that is well below many people's goal weights, and you're looking to lose 10 pounds. I think I've seen another post where you said you were 5' 5" or 5' 6"? So basically you are trying to go from thin to thinner, which is much harder than going from overweight or obese to normal-BMI weight. I think it's probably calories. Many or most women just cannot lose those last pounds while eating what the calculators or other posters or a diet book might be telling you you "should" be able to eat. It seems to me you have proven that you are eating maintenance level for 130.

I think for women who have much less to lose and are starting out thinner already, losing each pound is like losing 5 or more for a heavier person.

Maybe it's not that low-carb isn't the right plan for you, but maybe you just need to scale down the portions and watch the high-fat meats and dairy and extras like mayo and sour cream and cream cheese. Just my opinion.

ravenrose 10-31-2013 05:36 PM

ummm I do it because I don't want to weigh 130 lb more than I do now.

Whyohwh 11-01-2013 05:54 AM

Numbers to lose, numbers to gain
 
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Originally Posted by Aomiel (Post 16665709)

So, looking at your stats, you want to get to 120 but have been 130 for the last 8 months? What do your macros look like (calories, carbs, fats, proteins) and how consistent are you as following your plan...meaning have you had times when you just had a high carb meal, snack, alcoholic drink, etc...or were you 100% compliant?

I have been very compliant - no alcoohol (I don't drink anyhow), almost no sugar (had some about 3 times in 8 months). I exercice regularly.

I thought it could have been the carbs (sometimes between 30 and 50), so I have maintained them at 20 grams for about 2 months, except for Halloween (50 grams) and one other day.

These numbers worked for weight loss (6 days):
Fat : 114 197 150 161 214 141
Protein : 71 72 97 62 89 80
Calories : 1501 2138 1875 1790 2353 1716

I gained quickly with these numbers (5 days) :
Fat : 196 184 124 113 164
Protein : 102 92 83 68 65
Calories : 2315 2192 1527 1360 1813

AsmallerME 11-01-2013 07:41 AM

Have you been consistently eating so many calories? I can't even eat that many calories and lose weight and I weight much more than you do. And if those numbers made you lose weight for 6 days, why did you stop? I don't get this...

Whyohwh 11-01-2013 08:39 AM

I stopped because losing with these numbers made no sense to me (I make no sense myself very, very frequently), and decided I probably could eat as many grams of anything, as long as it wasn't carbs. So I stopped weighing myself for about a week and a half, but kept eating the same way.

When I weighed myself again, I had gained, usins numbers I thought were similar to the ones that made me lose.

Aomiel 11-01-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AsmallerME (Post 16666656)
Have you been consistently eating so many calories? I can't even eat that many calories and lose weight and I weight much more than you do. And if those numbers made you lose weight for 6 days, why did you stop?

Have to agree. I weigh 150 lbs and I'm only 5'3 and I *maintain* eating around 1400-1500 calories, between 10-25gm carbs, protein 60gm and fats making up the remainder.

I'd go back to what worked...and if you still maintain your current weight for 6 or more weeks, you most likely will have to scale back the calories because you have so little to lose. Perhaps your goal weight needs to be readjusted? I'm 5'3 and small boned and all the charts tell me I should weigh between 125-130.

ncgirl05 11-01-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Whyohwh (Post 16665668)
And if so, why did you continue eating low carb?

After 8 confusing months on Atkins/low carb, I'm wondering if there are lots of people in my situation. Love the low carb, hate the no result part.

With any other diet/way of life, I would have stopped long time ago.

For the very reason you gave - love the low carb part

I was stalled at the same weight for one year - do you know never in my life had I been one weight for a year. Life had been constant gain or constant loss. It was like a miracle, even though I wasn't losing.

Anyways, started to gain after that year due to calorie/carb creep, and am now going down the scale again. I will add that I cut back calories a LOT and I have also added working out, something I wasn't doing prior.

Leigh Anne

clackley 11-01-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Whyohwh (Post 16666463)
I have been very compliant - no alcoohol (I don't drink anyhow), almost no sugar (had some about 3 times in 8 months). I exercice regularly.

I thought it could have been the carbs (sometimes between 30 and 50), so I have maintained them at 20 grams for about 2 months, except for Halloween (50 grams) and one other day.

These numbers worked for weight loss (6 days):
Fat : 114 197 150 161 214 141
Protein : 71 72 97 62 89 80
Calories : 1501 2138 1875 1790 2353 1716

I gained quickly with these numbers (5 days) :
Fat : 196 184 124 113 164
Protein : 102 92 83 68 65
Calories : 2315 2192 1527 1360 1813

Your numbers seem to prove that the calories really have little bearing on your experience. What seems more telling is the grams of macro nutrients.

Your 6 days of losses would likely be mostly fluid loss from glycogen stores as part of becoming ketogenic.

The 5 days that you are rapidly gaining are interesting because the first 2 days your carb counts must be in the arena of 35 to 40 grams and combined with your higher levels of protein those 2 days, may have been enough to kick you out of ketosis. Thus the 'rapid' weight gain. Again, fluids.

You might also want to remember that actual fat loss happens much slower than in days. What you are witnessing is a fluid gain and loss but not fat tissue.

GingerAnn 11-01-2013 10:20 AM

A few friendly suggestions to consider:

1. Try cutting out nuts and dairy if you eat those
2. Try a fat fast or modified fat fast
3. Intermittent fasting
4. Cutting out artificial sweeteners to see if that makes a difference (I remember reading somewhere that even the *taste* of sweet can cause insulin surges)

All of these things have helped me, I'm around your weight and find it difficult to lose without doing some extra hacking.

I agree with what others have said on this thread as well, there are so many 'unseen' benefits of low carb eating. I can't imagine eating any other way, now that I know what kind of damage high blood sugar / grains can do to our bodies.

Arctic_Mama 11-01-2013 10:54 AM

I'm fairly young and breastfeeding, but even I only maintain at a higher body weight than you, if my calories are above 2400 per day or so, and about 2000 without the nursing. They've got to be lower if you want your weight to budge, at the size you are now. Sorry, but that's reality!

MsWoods 11-01-2013 10:56 AM

I asked you the other day in your other thread about following Atkins menu to the T to post some sample menus for us and you didnt. I really think that would give everyone a better idea of how to help you.

To ask, I've been averaging 230lbs for the last couple years. I eat LC because I don't want to push 400lbs ever again. That's why. I can control my food, and even if I eat a lot or binge on LC foods, I don't gain an uncontrollable amount of weight.

Whyohwh 11-01-2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MsWoods (Post 16666970)
I asked you the other day in your other thread about following Atkins menu to the T to post some sample menus for us and you didnt. I really think that would give everyone a better idea of how to help you.

To ask, I've been averaging 230lbs for the last couple years. I eat LC because I don't want to push 400lbs ever again. That's why. I can control my food, and even if I eat a lot or binge on LC foods, I don't gain an uncontrollable amount of weight.

Here is a sample menu:

Breakfast
Omega Nutrition - Coconut Oil, 14 g
Egg - Whole Egg (1 White+1yellow), 2 egg
Kraft - Philadelphia Light Cream Cheese - 38% Less Fat, 1tbsp
Generic - Hard Boiled Egg (Yolk Only), 1 egg yolk

Lunch
Fresh Express - Green Shredded Cabbage, 0.9 cup
Organic Tofu - Firm, 0.25 container (456 gs ea.)
Renee's Gourmet - Chunky Blue Cheese Dressing, 1.5 tbsp
Bick's - Dill Pickles Garlic, 1 pickle
Lean Ground Beef (Pan Cooked), 3/10 cup

Supper
Lettuce - Cos or romaine, raw, 0.5 cup shredded
Renees Ceaser - Light - Salad Dressing, 0.5 tbsp
Beatrice - Whipping Cream 35%, 1 tbsp
Baker's (Cdn) - Unsweetened Chocolate, 1 square (28g)
Beatrice - Whipping Cream 35%, 1 tbsp
Ground Beef - Cooked Lean, 0.5 cup
Presidents Choice Blue Menu (Canada_) - Cajun Chicken Breasts, 0.4 breast
Butter - Salted, 2 tbsp

Snacks
Splenda - Packet, 2 Packet
Spinach - Raw, 0.4 cup 3
Generic - 4 Small Green Olives, 6.8 olives
Vergeer / Holland / Costco - 20g Ind. Edam Cheese, 20 g

MsWoods 11-01-2013 11:22 AM

Usually I can find fault in someones menu pretty quickly, but that menu looks really good to me. I'm not sure why you haven't lost anything at all. First question is, have you had your thyroid tested?

nolcjunk 11-01-2013 11:42 AM

As someone who is close to your weight (I am 110) and I went from 150 to goal, I think you are eating too much for weight loss. There is no way I would have lost anything eating so close to 2000 or over calories a day, and would be gaining.

You also have a lot of dairy in your menu. I would limit it to just hard cheeses and only 4oz a day for now.

Leo41 11-01-2013 11:51 AM

I tend to agree with nolcjunk. When a person is eating low carb and no losing, it is almost always because of a lack of sufficient calorie deficit. Regardless of the plan, weight loss requires some caloric deficit.

The caloric level differs for each individual. I would GAIN on what the online calculators tell me would result in weight loss, and the only way I know that I'm at the right level is when I'm losing.

Whyohwh 11-01-2013 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GingerAnn (Post 16666935)
All of these things have helped me, I'm around your weight and find it difficult to lose without doing some extra hacking.

I find it difficult to know what to "hack". Protein? Fat? Calories? All of the above? I love those posts that say "I upped my protein and bingo!" or "I started eating a lot more fat and bingo!". Lowering anything is not as fun...

Whyohwh 11-01-2013 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zagnut55 (Post 16667179)
At one point I went all the way down to 120 but decided I just couldn't get by on the small amount of food it took to keep me there. So now I waver between 128 and 133. I average about 1500 calories and usually eat less than 30 net carbs a day.

I think that for me (I'm 51, 5'5.5 or 5'6, depending my state of mind, I suppose), 120 would be fantastic. BUT I also think that it could be like trying to keep a beach ball under water - which has been my experience until now.

When I first tried WW (four years ago), I lost about 20 pounds at warp speed, and then stopped at 130 ish. Since then, no matter what I do, I circle around that number.

I honestly thought that low carb was going to be magical. Well, the magic is that I stop eating when I'm not hungry , I feel better, etc. But I so would like to have a magical scale as well! All these people melting away by eating more fat, or just by stopping to have sweeteners with their cup of tea, or eating a piece of cheese! I would love for that to happen to me as well.

I'm also very new to this forum. Isn't it a lot of fun?

Whyohwh 11-01-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo41 (Post 16667024)
I would GAIN on what the online calculators tell me would result in weight loss, and the only way I know that I'm at the right level is when I'm losing.

Do you think I should believe what Atkins people are saying, that for women, the total caloric intake shoud be between 1500 and 1800 calories? Those are numbers I can live with.

Whyohwh 11-01-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nolcjunk (Post 16667012)
As someone who is close to your weight (I am 110) and I went from 150 to goal, I think you are eating too much for weight loss. There is no way I would have lost anything eating so close to 2000 or over calories a day, and would be gaining.

You also have a lot of dairy in your menu. I would limit it to just hard cheeses and only 4oz a day for now.

Could you tell me how many calories you eat every day?
Also, is there a difference between eating hard cheeses and soft cheeses? I don't like cheese that much, I eat it because I think I have to.

Whyohwh 11-01-2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MsWoods (Post 16666998)
Usually I can find fault in someones menu pretty quickly, but that menu looks really good to me. I'm not sure why you haven't lost anything at all. First question is, have you had your thyroid tested?

No, I haven't. After a quick glance at thyroid symptoms, I'm not sure that I fit that bill. Also, I don't know what I'd tell my doctor to get tested.

Also note that the total food intake fluctuates. A few days a week, I don't eat more in terms of variety, but quantities - more butter, more meat, etc.

Low carb really is a complex way to eat for me. I thought I just needed to keep the carbs low, and that was that. But so much more comes into play : ratios, calories, etc.

When I was on WW, I never read anything at all on dieting. I just knew what worked for me (starving) and what didn't (cookies).

Leo41 11-01-2013 03:14 PM

For your age and height, you seem to be in a good place right now. I like your analogy of trying to keep a beach ball underwater because it's useless to get to a lower weight only to find it too difficult to maintain there. Consider how you look and feel rather than any arbitrary number on the scale.

It's silly to believe what any 'expert' says about the caloric level that's right for you. For example as we age, our metabolism naturally slows so no caloric level is right for 'every' woman. In fact, what's good for us at 35 may be far to much for 55.

My own situation (post-menopausal and hypothyroid--and a lifetime of morbid obesity) means that I MAINTAIN at only about 1,000 cal a day--but I've discovered that my body is totally satisfied with that amount (it's my 'head' that always wants to eat more:-)

dgidaho 11-01-2013 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo41 (Post 16667230)
For your age and height, you seem to be in a good place right now. I like your analogy of trying to keep a beach ball underwater because it's useless to get to a lower weight only to find it too difficult to maintain there. Consider how you look and feel rather than any arbitrary number on the scale.

It's silly to believe what any 'expert' says about the caloric level that's right for you. For example as we age, our metabolism naturally slows so no caloric level is right for 'every' woman. In fact, what's good for us at 35 may be far to much for 55.

:goodpost: I agree with Leo41. 120 is pretty slender for your height. I'm your age and only an inch taller than you. At 193, I don't look obese at all--although BMI charts say I am (hard to believe, but true). I do, however, look "thick". I recognize that we all carry weight differently, but bones stuck out all over my body when I weighed 128 back in high school! And now, by the time I get to 160, my family will probably be pushing me to stop losing. LOL My point is this, unless you have an ultra petite frame, your body is probably happy and healthy at your current weight. If you want to reduce in size, perhaps you should concentrate on healthy eating and resistance training. You may actually gain pounds with resistance training, but you would lose inches and become smaller. It sounds as if you definitely have the discipline to succeed! :)

mjgh06 11-01-2013 08:43 PM

Personally looking at your menu, I would go back to the basics for a little while - take away the whipping cream, chocolate, and cream cheese. limit hard cheeses to 40z a day. Do without snacks if you can between meals. This will lower your caloric intake and remove foods that may be causing stall.


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