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Old 10-14-2013, 09:48 PM   #1
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Mentally convincing myself its healthy...

Hi, y'all! I have big news to share - i've lost 100 lbs Yay, go me! However, I am SERIOUSLY failing at maintenance! (Also, I would LOVE to loose the last 15 or so lbs) I was low carb, that is how I started this journey, then paleo, then vegan, then Mediterranean. I wasn't chasing the "fad"... but rather the the promises of better health. I grew up in a family that struggles with heart disease, so I want(ed) a diet that promised that.... I lost weight on all, but learned a lot over the course of the last 2 years. For me, it all comes down to a whole foods centered diet; the less processed the better. However, I am having a tough time mentally digesting the fact that low carb can/is healthy. Reassure me!
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:15 PM   #2
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I believe low carb/ high fat is very healthy. It's not just meat and cheese. I eat tons of veggies and salads . Many eat fruit as well though I have sugar sensitivities and prefer to avoid the blood sugar spike . The more research I do the more convinced I am that LC is a healthy woe. Replacing rice and potatoes with green beans and cauliflower can't possibly be a poor choice.
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:27 PM   #3
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I was having my own doubts. And then I went to my doctor. And, he told me this is the best way of eating. He told me that he has been low carb for 20 years now, and that was enough to make me a believer.
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:32 PM   #4
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I don't eat "tons" of veggies, and I still know the way I eat is healthy. I plan to eat this way--for health--for life.

If you haven't read The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living by Voleck and Phinney, Wheat Belly by William Davis, Grain Brain by David Perlmutter, Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes, etc., you may want to start there.

There's also the blog by Phinney and Volek, which is at artandscienceoflowcarb. They have lots of good scientific information.

And this may help as well. The Fat-Fueled Brain: Unnatural or Advantageous? | MIND Guest Blog, Scientific American Blog Network

Also, there's a series of videos on YouTube that explain why following a low carb ketogenic diet is healthy long term.
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:18 PM   #5
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All the diets you mention want to get you off the same things. Refined and processed foods. They are not healthy for us and in fact are mostly chemicals disguised as food. Dr.'s Are now coming to the conclusion that these processed food cause inflammation in our bodies and that is what is the beginning of all diseases.

High fat, moderate protein, low carb is the healthiest way to eat. Sounds like you've been on a journey to better health. You could check out Maria Emmerich's site. She explains a lot about what is really in our food. For example, did you know crisco was never meant to be eaten? It was used for soaps and candles.. But Procter & Gamble got on the anti fat band wagon and figured out if they bleach it they could sell it as a 'healthy' alternative to lard or butter..
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:32 PM   #6
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I believe low carb/ high fat is very healthy. It's not just meat and cheese. I eat tons of veggies and salads . Many eat fruit as well though I have sugar sensitivities and prefer to avoid the blood sugar spike . The more research I do the more convinced I am that LC is a healthy woe. Replacing rice and potatoes with green beans and cauliflower can't possibly be a poor choice.
Exactly. I also eat a fair amount of veggies and salads. And, I eat berries---strawberries, raspberries and blackberries---w/cream. I could NOT live on just meat, cheese and eggs. I like the zing of LC friendly fruits, and the crunch and freshness of good vegetables. And if I go too long without either, I crave both.

Considering you're a gal who's lost a hundred pounds, I can't match what you've accomplished. BUT, this much I know is true. However we eat, we have to be able to eat that way as a lifestyle and not a diet.

For me, that means more variety, but a healthy variety. What does that mean for you? That's really the question, isn't it? Because no matter what, you don't want to gain those pounds back. So as much as we may think this is an intellectual exercise, something we can decide on in our heads, it really takes both our brains and our instincts to make it work.

Bravo to your brains and instincts so far. No one can argue with your stunning track record---except of course, you.
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:05 AM   #7
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Hi, y'all! I have big news to share - i've lost 100 lbs Yay, go me! However, I am SERIOUSLY failing at maintenance! (Also, I would LOVE to loose the last 15 or so lbs) I was low carb, that is how I started this journey, then paleo, then vegan, then Mediterranean. I wasn't chasing the "fad"... but rather the the promises of better health. I grew up in a family that struggles with heart disease, so I want(ed) a diet that promised that.... I lost weight on all, but learned a lot over the course of the last 2 years. For me, it all comes down to a whole foods centered diet; the less processed the better. However, I am having a tough time mentally digesting the fact that low carb can/is healthy. Reassure me!
Prior to LCing, I had high blood pressure, slightly elevated pulse rate, and high cholesterol. I just had a physical last week and my blood pressure is down, my pulse rate is down and my cholesterol levels are in normal range. I've been doing this woe since March and have lost 37 lbs. I eat bacon every morning for breakfast along with 2 eggs. I also will eat 2-4 more eggs through out the day. I eat the fattiest cuts of meat and eat fat bombs. Butter and mayo are my condiments. I was a nervous wreck waiting on the cholesterol results because its been programmed into my head that bacon and eggs are bad. I guess my blood work is proof that what I'm doing is actually good for me. My doctor would probably hit the floor if he knew how I was eating though. LOL
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:16 AM   #8
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Ultimately, *you* are the only one who can convince you that low carb is healthy.

Surf through the forum and you will find many success stories of people who've not only lost their weight after failing at all other diets...and actually gaining weight on supposedly healthy plans like Weight Watchers...but also improved their health. If that doesn't convince you, don't know what will.

Low carb is the *only* reason I'm now 170+ pounds lighter, maintained it for the last 7 months, took my A1c from 13 to 4.9 and am off all insulin. I don't worry about eating vegies *every* day. I go through spurts where I crave them and have them with both lunch and dinner (mainly through the summer when fresh vegies abound)...not so much through the winter. I had labs done in early September and my doc was astounded at how good they were. We're still fussing over the 'slightly elevated' cholesterol, but I've given her some of Taubes stuff to read. We'll see if she comes around. She did on low carb after reading Dr. Bernstein's "Diabetes Solution".
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:02 AM   #9
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Hello!

My post will be largely anecdotal and I'll let the others offer the various researchers and books.

I just finished a breakfast of eggs, spinach and brocolli with a sprinkle of shredded cheese (and real bacon bits ). The lunch plan is grilled chicken on mixed greens. Dinner is crock pot pork roast, cauliflower and a pea, corn, green bean mixture. I'm just guessing, but I suspect that meal day is healthier than a significant percentage of many eaters today.

My diet past includes: vegetarian for health reasons, ethical vegetarian, nearly vegan, crunchy-earth-mama (birth kids at home, alternative medicine), Weight Watchers, Whole Foods, and low carb.

Once I got passed the indoctrination of fat phobia, I realized that low carb was my body's intuitive home. I *personally* believe that quality veggies are imperative, so my form of low carb includes copious amounts of them.

I am obese - yet my lipid profile is amazing. My glucose was 91 on the last test. My blood pressure is consistently 110/64ish. I have spent considerable time eating low carb in the last 10 years and I think my health in spite of my weight is due to that. (My weight is complicated and fodder for another post).
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:14 AM   #10
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I hear you loud and clear. We are constantly bombarded with the idea that low-fat foods are better and hi-fat are bad. Propaganda pushers know that repeating the same thing over and over again does work.
You might wish to subscribe to some online newsletters from reliable, authoritative sources that believe low carb is the right way to go. It's good to hear many points of view.

Also, answer the $64 question: Is LCHF working for you? Better than low-fat? If the answer is yes, then I see no reason to argue with success.

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Old 10-15-2013, 08:18 AM   #11
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I also eat a fair amount of veggies and salads. And, I eat berries---strawberries, raspberries and blackberries---w/cream. I could NOT live on just meat, cheese and eggs. I like the zing of LC friendly fruits, and the crunch and freshness of good vegetables. And if I go too long without either, I crave both.
+1

I can't imagine giving up my veggies or some fruit.
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:29 AM   #12
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I am with ya, Ntombi. You don't HAVE to eat tons of veggies. I tend to because I enjoy them can handle the carbs and I personally feel better when I include them liberally. My point is you CAN eat a fairly varried whole foods diet and keep within a ketogenic way of eating. The more research I do on ketosis the more I realize it benefits me on so many levels and is the best way for me to manage my personal set of health issues. I am healthier of mind and body on this plan. I am able to consume enough carbohydrates in the form of fresh veggies to remain fairly active which I do for reasons that have little to do with weight loss. I think I may lose Better when sedentary but hell, my mood plummets that wAy...
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My understanding of what the conventional wisdom thinks is healthy and what the science actually says is the key for me. I would recommend Good Calories/Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. It was quite dense but also very indepth.

For those that prefer to watch as opposed to read, Tom Naughton's movie 'Fat Head' is quite good as well.

If you google, Gary Taubes or Dr. Peter Attia, you will find lots of informative talks on youtube etc..

Let us know what you find 'speaks' to you! And congratulations on your fantastic weight loss! Yes, YAAAA you!
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Old 10-15-2013, 01:11 PM   #14
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I hear you, erinmarie. I eat veggies because I like them, not because I think I need to for health. Some days I eat no veggies, and some days I eat a few servings, just depending on my mood.
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Old 10-15-2013, 01:44 PM   #15
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Now that I know carbs are not necessary, I eat veggies if I'm in the mood for them and if I'm not, I don't.

I'm not eating fruit (berries) at all while losing-- May try reintroducing them after I've reached the point where I decide to maintain.
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To the OP: congratulations on all that weight lost, and I think you should ask yourself: what kind of diet would you be happiest on at this point? (realistically happy. I mean, I'd be delighted to go on a gnocchi-only diet without the predictable effects). If it's something where you can have fruit, yoghurt and granola, for example, I'm sure there's something in the LC spectrum for you. Even if you end up not staying on LC for maintenance, I'm sure that with adequate control and self-honesty you'll be able to keep it in check.
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Are you following the meditteranian diet now?

If you believe in the paleo diet, I found the best blogs to follow are Jaminet/Perfect Health Diet and Sisson/Mark's Daily Apple. If you haven't read Perfect Health Diet, I highly recommend it.

Also, google Chris Kresser and Stephan Guyenet podcasts. I found these fascinating and gave me some amazing new tools. I thought I was out of ideas before this.
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Ntombi, thanks for the suggestion of Phinney and Volek's site. Lots of good information there.
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Good morning! Good Calories, Bad Calories and Why We Get Fat: And What To Do About It by Gary Taubes are both excellent and illuminating reads.
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Probably the best book I've read about the health benefits (not just weight loss) of LC is Trick and Treat by Barry Groves.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:41 PM   #21
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Thanks for all the helpful answers! I just decided to "go for it" and have eaten HFLC for the last three days. It has been going well, but not in keto yet (although I am experiencing the diuretic effect already of a LC diet! I have to pee like a racehorse!) Anyways, I have already lost 6lbs in the last 3 days eating 1500-1700 calories using this WOE.... My least favorite thing about this WOE is the cost, because being vegan I could live on 25 dollars a week and still have food leftover! Oh well, guess I will find ways to save elsewhere in my budget!
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Congrats on your success!

I don't think in terms of "low carb" or "high fat." I don't follow a specific diet plan. I'm not a fan of labels.

What I do is eat healthy, non-starchy, unprocessed foods & that pretty much takes care of everything. There are foods that I am sensitive to so I completely avoid them.

Eating healthy food does, for me, end up being high fat, moderate protein, low carb. It is what is left once the other things are removed.
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Old 10-19-2013, 02:26 PM   #24
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It's the only plan I feel AMAZING on!!!! I have tried incorporating whole grains back into my diet for the same reason as you. Low fat high fiber is healthy right???

I get instant mental fog, fatigue and end up existing on the couch until I go back to my high fat, high protein ways!!
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I eat very high fat/very low carb and have for a few years now. I'm diabetic and have had my thyroid removed. My last labs were done about 2 weeks ago and were excellent: HBa1c 5.3, HDL 48, Trigly. 93. My HDL/Trig. ratio is 1.93 which means i have virtually no cardiac risk. I'm also almost 62. I've never felt better in my life. There are so many books, articles and studies out there. Research and read for yourself.
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I eat very high fat/very low carb and have for a few years now. I'm diabetic and have had my thyroid removed. My last labs were done about 2 weeks ago and were excellent: HBa1c 5.3, HDL 48, Trigly. 93. My HDL/Trig. ratio is 1.93 which means i have virtually no cardiac risk. I'm also almost 62. I've never felt better in my life. There are so many books, articles and studies out there. Research and read for yourself.
WOW - your stats are amazing. Would you please share a typical daily menu?

How long ago did you have your thyroid removed. You look awesome. Inspirational for sure!
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