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Old 08-17-2013, 09:37 AM   #1
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Which would you eliminate?

I have gained 3 lbs of water or glycogen weight.
I know it's not fat- my calories are low.
My appetite is down.
The only "different" things in my eating plan are Better than Flour Mix and erythritol. One of them (or both) is causing this I believe.
Neither the BTF mix or the E has given me any rise in appetite or rebound cravings.

I have been averaging 1-2 E- sweetened iced coffees the last few days.
Yesterday and the day before I had 1 serving of the BTF mix.

Which do you think is more likely the culprit and which should I eliminate first? Or should I eliminate both and then add one back?

It would be easier to eliminate the BTF. If its a toss-up in likelihood I would eliminate that first.
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Old 08-17-2013, 10:00 AM   #2
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I'm not sure what better than flour is made of. I would take that one out first. I guess erythritol is technically a sugar alcohol but it doens't have the stalling reputation of the other ones like maltitol. So I would eliminate the BTF.
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Old 08-17-2013, 10:03 AM   #3
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Thank you/ I think I will.

The BTF mix is in the recipe section. Invented by Ouizoid.
It's a mix of coconut flour, protein powder, glucomannan, oat fiber.
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I'd eliminate the BTF.
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Old 08-17-2013, 10:17 AM   #5
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But it might also just be a natural fluctuation.
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Old 08-17-2013, 10:22 AM   #6
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But it might also just be a natural fluctuation.
I was just going to say that. I wouldn't react so quickly to it. Give it a couple more days, make sure you're drinking enough water, and see what happens.
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Old 08-17-2013, 11:07 AM   #7
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For me, it'd be a natural fluctuation, so I wouldn't change anything. If you're sure it isn't, I'd suspect the BTF.
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Thank you.
A 3lb fluctuation (it's almost 4) would be very unusual, indeed. I don't even fluctuate that much during TOM.
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I'd see what a week brings. Then I'd experiment with a week without BTF. It would be the oat fiber that I would be suspicious of. Works for some, not for others. (me, I can't do flax, because I am weird).

Erythritol is considered one of the safest sugar alcohols.
I won't do malitol or sorbitol, but I'll use erythritol. I like it mixed with stevia (and I'll use truvia since that's rubiana and erythritol). Sometimes I use liquid sucralose/EZ-sweetz/da vinci syrups to mix in with it for recipes but go back and forth on whether I should limit the sucralose. I've gotten completely away from the packets and powders--- too much dextrose as filler.

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I'd see what a week brings. Then I'd experiment with a week without BTF. It would be the oat fiber that I would be suspicious of. Works for some, not for others. (me, I can't do flax, because I am weird).

Erythritol is considered one of the safest sugar alcohols.
I won't do malitol or sorbitol, but I'll use erythritol. I like it mixed with stevia (and I'll use truvia since that's rubiana and erythritol). Sometimes I use liquid sucralose/EZ-sweetz/da vinci syrups to mix in with it for recipes but go back and forth on whether I should limit the sucralose. I've gotten completely away from the packets and powders--- too much dextrose as filler.

/**end pointless novel about sweeteners**
FWIW, this is exactly my approach to sweeteners.
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I wouldn't eliminate anything bc it's just water, right? I guess if I thought it might be fat I'd be more uptight, but I'm not in this to lose water. I'm only interested in losing fat. I'm always astounded that people will avoid salt every day of their life, only to live in fear of those 2 pounds sneaking up on them when they let a pickle slip by. I eat salt EVERY day and enjoy and carry the two pounds of water happily. It's not like with carbs where you keep gaining more, yk?
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Well, Jayne, I'm with you on the non-issue of sodium. It all works out.

But water retention of a deeper scale causes the clothes to less comfortable, my face to feel puffy and bloated, just feeling poofy and bigger.

And if the fiber continues to act as a carb, and I continue eating it, that could pull me out of ketosis.

It's hard when I'm guessing at both the cause and the reason . Lol
Today I had no E, and no BTF.
We'll see.
I did have lots of mixed nuts...
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I too would eliminate the BTF.
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I'm not sure on the BTF mix, since I'm not allowed oat fiber on the paleo diet.

Erythritol does make me ill if I use too much! I know it is supposed to be low in side effects, but it gives me this weird thirst (esp if I drink it in whatever that soda is - I think there is a lot in there), but a small amount is OK.

It seems to have a diuretic effect on me as well if I get too much of it. I have not seen anyone else say this. It happened multiple times; up all night peeing! When I have gone to look it up, people say the opposite (bloating/diarrhea).

It is OK in small amounts, but I have not bothered with it anymore. I've got this big bag in my cupboard I haven't used.
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sometimes the increase is due to either constipation or just natural water retention of hormone shifts too. don't be too sure it's these foods.

I really don't think it's erythritol, and I think the carb count is accurate on the other ingredients too.
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What is the reasoning on no oat fiber on paleo?
Disclaimer I know nothing about paleo except I think they don't allow dairy?
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What is the reasoning on no oat fiber on paleo?
Disclaimer I know nothing about paleo except I think they don't allow dairy?
LOL I'm totally not a paleo expert but I believe its basically trying to emulate the diet of a caveman. That is to say, before domesticated animals and before agriculture. Total hunter/gatherer type stuff. So a caveman might have found some wild berries growing so those are OK, but he wouldn't have had oats or oat fiber.
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Oh, paleo is all about eliminating dietary toxins. I do it for health.

Oats have phytic acid. Blocks mineral absorption. Also, it has a plant protein that are hard on some people (similar to gluten). Grains are viewed as foods that were not meant for human consumption because we have to hack them with processing before we can actually eat them. So they are viewed as toxins.

If you ever read Robb Wolff's story (author), he was practically on death's door until he eliminated all modern processed foods. I gather it seriously helps some people with mysterious digestive upsets and autoimmune disorders, and once they stop the grains, sugar, and soybean/corn oil and the like, they heal right up.

I used to think sugar was the biggest evil, then flour. Now I am sure it is the soybean/corn/canola and other industrial oils. Again, we have to use a hack to get these oils we were never meant to consume in high volume. I think this is at the root of leptin resistance (inflammation that causes the hypothalamus in the brain to be unable to detect leptin and breaks metabolism). This sets off a cascade of defects. Insulin resistance follows as do other diseases caused by inflammation.

This is the most important teaching I think in all of paleo - to stick with butter, coconut oil, olive oil, and the like. People can and do get by on grains that have been processed in certain ways to neutralize the toxins (like soaking, fermenting, or other methods), so I don't get all freaked out about these like I do the vegetable oils.
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