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jazills 05-19-2013 01:39 AM

Hey guys! I've been kinda AWOL around here

I haven't really been up to par. I've tried everything to get rid of my constipation problems and LC worked in the past, but I felt something else was going on this time preventing a healthier diet from working. I ended up having to make a dr visit because I hadn't went in 3 weeks. I had elevated Liver enzymes about a month ago and she did another test and found out they were elevated even more.

Turns out I have a fatty liver. I've had chronic constipation my whole life. What I don't understand is, she recommended I don't do LC anymore. Ok, I know that my body feels great when I do it the only downfall is the constipation but I don't feel like LC has anything to do with this considering my history...it does make it a little harder to go but not an overall contributor.

Does anyone else deal with fatty liver? How have you remedied it on LC?

princessmommy 05-19-2013 07:01 AM

I'm sorry sweetie. I have a good friend that has a fatty liver too, but she doesn't seem to take it seriously at all.
I tried to read up on fatty liver and most of what i've read says to eat less Red meat, add more chicken and fish to your diet and add LC veggies like brocoli etc. To avoid saturated fats.

Patience 05-19-2013 07:20 AM

My understanding is that there are two forms: alcohol related and non alcohol related.
Do you drrink? If so, you probably need to ditch the booze.

lterry913 05-19-2013 07:38 AM

My friend was diagnosed with fatty liver and was told he would have to have a biopsy if his numbers did not improve in 6 months...his doctor recommended low carb, and his weight dropped and his numbers improved drastically.

Mistizoom 05-19-2013 08:05 AM

Sorry you've had this come up, especially when dealing with your parents' health issues as well.

Do you have IBS (irritable bowel syndrome)? If you've had chronic constipation your whole life then it isn't logical low carb is the cause of it. I always had diarrhea-type IBS that switched over for some reason to constipation-type a year or two ago, before I started LC. I now take 500 mg/day magnesium citrate (soon to be switched over to a a chelated magnesium) and that has essentiallly resolved the constipation. I don't "go" every day but when I do every 2-3 days I have no problems. Here's a link to a research article showing a fiber-free diet actually helped people with idiopathic (cause unknown) constipation: Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms However if you doctor is suggesting stopping low carb because of the constipation and/or wants you to get more fiber there is no reason you couldn't add fiber, perhaps psyllium husk fiber, into your LC diet. Just be sure to drink plenty of water or it can cause more problems.

The PP had a good question as to whether you drink alcohol or not. That could make a difference as to what type of fatty liver you have. I don't know much about it, but I have a very hard time with any suggestion that an LC diet would be worse for your diet than one full of sugars and starches. From what I've read, a high gylcemic diet makes fatty liver worse. I would certainly encourage you to read more before abandoning LC eating.

jazills 05-19-2013 08:25 AM

I don't drink, never drank in my life. I really don't want to give up LC. I'm really not going to because it's a little ridiculous maybe my dr. just doesn't like the lifestyle.

I've never been checked for IBS, I had incontinence until I was 21 due to a very lazy sphincter muscle that was over looked for a long time. At the same time I had incontinence I was still very very constipated all the time, I still am. Where can I get magnesium citrate at? If I went every 2-3 days that would be a miracle! I'm good to go once a week. These past 3 weeks were the longest I've gone without going. I took 8 exlax (ugh) over a 4 day period to be able to finally go.

All in all not giving up LC even if it kills me lol! Maybe this came about from all the years of being constipated and eating terrible foods. I have another appointment on Wednesday, she wants to check my enzymes again.

Thank yall for the help!

Mistizoom 05-19-2013 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by jazills (Post 16430923)
I don't drink, never drank in my life. I really don't want to give up LC. I'm really not going to because it's a little ridiculous maybe my dr. just doesn't like the lifestyle.

I've never been checked for IBS, I had incontinence until I was 21 due to a very lazy sphincter muscle that was over looked for a long time. At the same time I had incontinence I was still very very constipated all the time, I still am. Where can I get magnesium citrate at? If I went every 2-3 days that would be a miracle! I'm good to go once a week. These past 3 weeks were the longest I've gone without going. I took 8 exlax (ugh) over a 4 day period to be able to finally go.

All in all not giving up LC even if it kills me lol! Maybe this came about from all the years of being constipated and eating terrible foods. I have another appointment on Wednesday, she wants to check my enzymes again.

Thank yall for the help!

Ok, so you have nonalcoholic fatty liver. You could look into recommendations on that.

The place I got magnesium citrate from no longer makes it, but NOW foods makes some, Netrition sells it as well as other places. I have been taking 500 mg/day. You may need a little more or a little less. Other types of magnesium (chelates like magnesium glycinate or magnesium lysinate) are supposed to be "better" but I haven't tried the chelated form yet so I don't know how it will affect my bowel habits.

Personally, I avoid stimulant laxatives like ex-lax. Before I started the magnesium I would use docusate sodium (generic of Colace) if I was constipated. It is a stool softener that doesn't add bulk and isn't a stimulant. It's very safe to use. Works very well and fairly quickly (overnight or so) for me.

Good luck, glad to hear you are planning on sticking with LC.

Spanilingo 05-19-2013 11:03 AM

What is is the dr opposes about LC. Is it the protein , high fats or compicayions with your medications? There are many ways to do low carb that are not high in meat fats or non ketogenic if that is a concern . Low carb is a general term for lots of woe that include reducing carbs. I can't imagine any doctor would oppose reducing flour and sugar for your diet or eating your carbs in forms of veggies. Some doctors who support LC do not support long term Ketosis nor high saturated meat fats for many reasons. Not all bodies thrive on high fat diets. I would review my eating plan the find out specifically what is the problem then adjust my diet to according to my immediate health concern. Lots of ways to to LC!

Dede66 05-19-2013 11:35 AM

I wonder if you can low carb if you take Metamucil the powder fiber drink everyday,, it does wonders flushing your body of toxins and fats.

avid 05-19-2013 11:41 AM

Mag citrate is the purgative that seems to work when all else fails.
Drink a bottle of that and don't leave the house.
As for your Dr. recommendations on fatty liver, ....well, I would hesitate
to change my woe without seeing a specialist.
LC is not for everyone, but it works so well for so many, I understand how giving it up would be a real sacrifice.
I wish you well.

Trigger828 05-19-2013 12:17 PM

I am like Avid in suggesting a specialist. The minute my Dr. gives me numbers about a 'true and real possible problem' from a visit, I am the type to hit a specialist point blank. I see a specialist right away on the matter. I never have seen a reason to visit the GP about 3-4 times and 'try this or that' and all the guessing that goes with it. Nope. Not me. I go straight the the specialist that deals with just that problem. sometimes the GP Dr. just doesn't know enough. a specialist most times can tell you the facts, straight to the point, ways to fix this mess etc. Sometimes it is best to skip the 'guessing from a GP' and straight to a specialist and get the truth.

best of luck to you.

nonamortica 05-19-2013 12:46 PM

I think fatty liver can just be a consequence of being obese. In that case weight loss improves it.

Chronic constipation is a classic symptom of hypothyroid. Might want to check that out if you have not already.

I don't think giving up low carb is the answer. Especially since it works for the weight loss.

Hope you find an answer. I was chronically constipated for years before my hypothyroid diagnosis and treatment. It's no fun.

DiamondDeb 05-19-2013 12:52 PM

LC nutrition is a suggested treatment for NAFLD. Keep eating your healthy fats. They are not the problem. If your doctor is suggesting you stop LCing she has no clue what she is talking about.

If I were you, I'd research to see if any medications (OTC, too) you have been on might contribute to increased liver enzymes. As you lose more weight it should also help.

Are you taking probiotics, prebiotics & digestive enzymes? They may be helpful.

Blue Skies 05-19-2013 03:45 PM

I gave this a quick google because I am so mistrustful of Drs. these days when it comes to things regarding diet. This from Web MD on a non alcoholic fatty liver.

"Eat a balanced and healthy diet and increase your physical activity. In addition to limiting calories, avoid diets rich in refined, rapidly digested carbohydrates. This includes limiting foods such as bread, grits, rice, potatoes, corn, and concentrated sugar that is found in sports drinks and juice."

There is NOTHING in this three page article about not eating saturated fats.

Also, to Diamond Deb's point, this:

"New findings about the role of bacteria in the development of fatty liver disease may lead to still other options for treatment, such as by counteracting unbalanced diets with probiotics. These are dietary supplements containing healthy live bacteria or yeasts."

I agree w/the posters here who suggest a specialist. And I also suggest reading everything you can on this, there's a lot of articles thrown up on a simple google search.
We much be our own advocates. I think too many Drs today are caught up in old nutritional myths and still pointing to fat as the cause of all trouble.

Good luck to you, and from what I've read, there's no need to stop your LC woe because of this condition, in fact, seems there's every reason to BE ON LC for this condition.

fsfty 05-19-2013 03:53 PM

I was diagnosed with fatty liver and pre-diabetes. I started low carb as my doctor recommended and both diseases have disappeared.

scintillady 05-19-2013 04:11 PM

Epsom salts (Magnesium sulfate) works REALLY well as a laxative, and it's really inexpensive. Just dissolve some in water (tastes awful) and then follow it with a full glass of water to get the taste out of your mouth. You'll probably hit the bathroom in an hour.

Lindy in Louisiana 05-19-2013 04:21 PM

One place to check out is the other plans, Perfect Health diet. A lot like LC (no wheat, sugar, Puffy oils,), you also get to eat potatoes and white rice. This will take care of your constipation. The carb count is moderate rather than low but the benefits out weigh the detractors. I'm still dieting and only eat 100 g carbs, 75 g protein and the rest is fats. Up to 1200 calories. It's wonderful being able to eat carrots, parsnips and other root veggies. And I am still losing weight. Not a lot yet but I just started. Just a thought. Good luck!! :sing:

gardengoddess 05-19-2013 04:32 PM

I had very high liver enzymes for a period (alt was +400) diagnosed with fatty liver after an ultrasound. Doctor recommended LC. Many medications are processed through the liver - including Tylenol. I did not suffer from constipation and don't remember reading anything that linked the two. The doctor explained it as I had stored fat in my liver as I stored it everywhere else.

I agree with seeing a gastro specialist. You have a long history of digestive issues it sounds like. I personally would be more concerned with the chronic constipation than the enzyme levels, unless your alt is approaching 800.

Bhambabe 05-19-2013 05:48 PM

It’s not the constipation but the root cause that needs to be addressed

Cleanse Candida and Reverse Fatty Liver
The simple truth is, your liver is working overtime trying to convert excess sugar, storing excess fat and fighting the Candida yeast fungus overgrowth and chronic infection.

1. Your liver plays an important role in the metabolism (break down) of fats. When something goes wrong in this process of metabolism, excess fat starts building up in your liver.

2. Many health professionals believe that an overgrowth of Candida albicans, a yeast bacteria found in the intestinal tract, may be the root cause of fatty liver disease. Candida is the most common cause of yeast infections in women. If it over-populates your digestive tract, it causes problems with your metabolism.

3. Your liver is responsible for storing excess blood glucose (sugar). If your blood sugar is too high, your liver converts the excess sugar into fat and starts accumulating in your liver. It is important to note, Candida thrives on sugar and refined carbohydrates (foods that convert to sugar in your body) and will make you experience intense sugar cravings.

4. Your liver is responsible for removing harmful bacteria and toxins from your blood. It also kills germs that enter your body through the intestine. Processing these bacteria, toxins and germs by your liver produces toxic by-products in your digestive system. When your digestive system is overwhelmed with toxins, your liver is overwhelmed trying to get rid of the toxins.

Candida may lead to liver overload, the liver ( we only have one) performs over 500 functions it , metabolizes carbohydrates and proteins, synthesizes and stores vitamins, regulates hormones, processes a very large amount of blood, synthesizes clotting factors, forms urea , metabolizes medications, and produces bile, to mention only a few so it is a very important organ.
The liver neutralizes harmful substances so that they can be carried to the intestines and kidneys for excretion.

Excreting potentially harmful compounds that are generated in the body and acquired through exposure to the environment is known as detoxification.
Toxins in the body are generated as normal by-products of cellular metabolic process and may include dead or digested bacteria, hydrogen peroxide, cellular debris, and carbon dioxide.

So with all these jobs to do including cleaning up, the liver dose not need to deal with extra toxins from the gut and although short term cleansing or flushing may help a long term plan is needed.

Candida overgrowth can lead to the gut leaking toxins into the blood stream leaky gut syndrome and toxemia can follow.

Candida overgrowth can form over 70 known toxins that can overload the liver.
The bowel is the primary zone to address to cleanse the liver.
A toxic bowel ensures a toxic liver, because with the number of toxins produced from candida overgrowth the liver is put into overload.

Candida overgrowth and its by products can lead to the formation of formaldehyde and acetaldehyde, which create innumerable problems throughout all body systems, these toxins are poisons and have to be converted by the liver into alcohol, which explains some people’s symptoms of drunkenness even though they seldom, if ever, indulge in alcohol .

Candida must be killed off slowly so as not to further overload the liver.
Gallbladder disease
A diet high in refined carbohydrates (cane sugar) may decrease bile flow, increase blood cholesterol, and decrease vitamin E levels, leading to stone formation.
Candida overgrowth may also indirectly affect hormones that promote bile secretion.

I have found in practice that the only true cleanse is one that starts in the gut, control candida, cleanse the intestines and reinocculate with good bacteria, the liver will not be overloaded and will be able to repair itself, if this is done the liver should in normal circumstances be able to look after itself.

The liver is said to be fatty when more than %10 of its weight is fat , this is usually symptom less and is most often associated with excess weight, excessive drinking, diabeties, hormone imbalaces,and high cholesterol treating candida overgrowth will help by reducing weight , lowering cholesterol, balancing hormones, and balancing sugar levels.
Remember Alternative Medicine can work in with Western Treatment




I WISH YOU THE BEST :hugs:, CANDIDA OVER GROWTH EFFECTS SO MANY AILMENTS . I hope this information helps you .


Lindy in Louisiana 05-19-2013 07:26 PM

What great information. I need this myself. Thanks so much....:jumpjoy::jumpjoy:

nolcjunk 05-19-2013 07:40 PM

You seem to have several severe health issues so I would second the specialist route. You don't want to be messing around with all of those ailments on your own and doing "internet wisdom" fixes.

I hope you get some more answers soon and figure out what is wrong.

jazills 05-19-2013 08:13 PM

Wow, thanks for all the great information and support!

My dr didn't say what she didn't like about LC but she did say that I should eat wide variety fruit and vegetable regularly and whole grain instead of so much meat. Maybe when I see her this week we can come to some sort of agreement.

As a background on my health. I didn't take any medications prior to starting vitamin D after finding my Vitamin D level was really low during this same blood test. I've seen a slew of colo-rectal surgeons and gi specialist about my constipation and that's when they found out I had an a lazy sphincter muscle. The colo-rectal surgeon thought I had something called Hirschsprungs disease which is where the nerves in part of your colon are basically dead. it is usually detected at child birth. Well i went through a bunch of tests and it wasn't that. No one said what it was. My colon was as big around as a coca-cola can on xray, my bladder was shifted because of the constipation and no one gave us a answer. :( After all those tests were ran is when i started on LC two years ago after I got my incontinence taken care of. LC seemed to fix my digestion problems all the way around, then I got off of LC for 2 years. Now i'm back. I feel like maybe I shouldn't have gotten off of it which is why now I understand this is a lifestyle.

Hopefully I'll find some sort of answer to something. I don't ever feel bad which is weird. Even when I hadn't went for 3 weeks I felt fine. Just really bloated.

Yennie 05-19-2013 10:15 PM

I guess I'd like to second (third? fourth? tenth?) the recommendation of a GI specialist, maybe a new/different one than you've been seeing?
I don't do people but I do see cats & they get both the conditions you're describing (although not always together).
One thing that can happen with chronic constipation, regardless of the cause, is stuff gets so stretched out that it CAN'T work right anymore. Think of a balloon that's blown up WAY too big, when you let the air out, it never shrinks down to its pre-inflation size. Maybe not the best example but as the stool sat there & the colon stretched bigger & bigger, trying to contract and failing, it kinda gives up.
GI problems & liver problems can be so intertwined - all blood flow from the GI tract runs through the liver for cleansing & processing before returning to general circulation. So if there was weirdness (that's the technical term for it, BTW ;) ) in the GI tract, the liver can be affected for sure.
Anyway, it sounds to me like your dietary choices are right on for what you're dealing with and I'd have to agree that I don't think you should give up your LC WOE/L without a frank conversation with your MD about WHY...

Bhambabe 05-19-2013 10:53 PM

Not to be too pushy but just to inform , most allopathic physicians (Western Doctors ) will not give you this information , as they are not given this information in medical school to treat illness . One would probably need to go to a naturopathic doctor or even a good health store to be educated about candidia and how it effects our bodies .

Some of the most frequent Candida symptoms are:
abdominal gas and bloating



excessive fatigue

cravings for alcohol



rectal itching

cravings for sweets

inability to think clearly or concentrate


mood swings








sinus inflammation

pre-menstrual syndrome


poor memory

persistent cough


low sex drive

muscle weakness


learning difficulties

sensitivity to fragrances and/or other chemicals

cognitive impairment


athlete's foot

sore throat


acid reflux

chronic pain

Bhambabe 05-19-2013 11:00 PM

Candida Diet
This program has been very successful in combatting Candida (yeast) colonization. The program should be followed for 3-9 months, unless otherwise advised by a health practitioner. This program has to be adhered to more strictly than most, as ‘cheating’ will only create a stronger strain of Candida in your body.

There are three basic components to the program:

1. Eliminating the foods Candida yeast live on. This is the most difficult, yet most important part.
2. Inhibiting Candida with specific vitamins and destroying them with homeopathic remedies.
3. Strengthening the body so that Candida will not return.

Food and Drinks to be avoided

> All flour products (for 1 - 2 months)
> All dairy products (for 1 - 2 months; butter is alright)
> Any flour product with yeast (entire length of the program)
> Any curded or fermented dairy (after 1 1/2 months, yogurt may be eaten)
> All yeast or yeast-containing foods
> No peanuts, grapes, oranges, mushrooms, tropical fruits or melons
> No wine, beer, or vinegar (including sauces with vinegar; after 2 months vinegar can be resumed)
> No soy sauce, miso, tofu (after 1 1/2 months, these are acceptable)
> No sugar or sweetening agents of any type
> No dried fruit
> No tea (herbal teas, including green tea, are alright)
> Only one piece of fruit daily, two cups of coffee (max.), two ounces of distilled alcohol (gin, vodka, scotch, cognac, tequila) a week (if desired)

Good Foods

At first this might appear to leave very little to eat. Much of this feeling is due to cravings which you have had all along. On this program you can eat the following good foods:

> All the vegetables desired (except mushrooms)
> Meat (if desired; chicken and fish are best)
> Grains (flours of the grain are not acceptable, but the whole grains themselves are)
> Beans (not more than four times a week)
> Some fruit (apples, peaches, pears, plums, and berries; no more than the mass of an average sized apple daily)

Supplements Hope this information helps and much as it helped me

which was amazing . :hugs:

nspeedracer 05-19-2013 11:15 PM

stay on the diet, id say. mag citrate drinks are at cvs or walgreens, i just drank one lol...
epsom salt drinks made me barf, the worst tasting barf in history. it was painful the time i kept it down.. cramping.
miralax helps but takes a while to work, few days

Geekin' in Utah 05-19-2013 11:17 PM

If you decide to go off low carb (personally, I wouldn't), make sure to avoid fructose like the plague! Fructose is processed only by the liver, and, when too much comes in, results in fatty liver. Given how much sugar, corn syrup, HFCS, agave, honey and other fructose-containing substances are in our food supply, it is nearly impossible to avoid it without eating low carb. ;) Seriously, adding beans and other, better carbs could be an option, but I would look for a better solution, finding another doctor to guide you.

solarpluvia 05-20-2013 02:08 AM

Maybe some of this will help you feel better:

Some years ago during an ultrasound for gastric issues, the tech and radiologist spotted by chance that my liver looked fatty, so I was diagnosed with NAFL. They told me I wouldn't actually had to do anything about it unless it became a problem, but the best thing to do would be lose weight. And then the GI doc chatted up the wonders of low fat dieting and told me I had IBS (alternating) but no physical reason for it (idiopathic), so I should eat lots of fiber or take Miralax every day.

Three months after I went low carb and had lost about 25 pounds, I had another ultrasound looking for female things and I asked the tech how my liver looked, just curious, and she said it was perfectly normal. My liver enzymes were normal too. LC also helped my IBS, as long as I avoid flax and MCT oil I have few problems.

Mag citrate tastes terrible, milk of magnesia is better. But if you want to do a very thorough clean out, you can get a bowel prep kit at the drug store. Cheap magnesium supplements (mag oxide), are another way to get constipation relief and don't taste horrible like liquids do. Take a pill at a time, every couple hours maybe, up to 1000 mg, until you go. Do not do this at night right before bed or if you have to go anywhere. Don't ask me how I know that. But with enough fat in my diet, and sugar alcohols sometimes, I've not needed to do that for quite a while. Before LC, I used Miralax for long term help with great success, as it was signifigantly less painful for me than fiber. For actual absorbable magnesium I take mag glycinate pills, which luckily don't cause even me to have any loosening.

LC is a way better solution for actual weight loss than anything else they can suggest, as far as I know. And it is sustainable. Elevated liver enzymes have a plethora of causes, so unless they find a direct cause, it might be best just to try to reduce general inflammation as much as possible. Heck, weight loss can 'cause' fatty liver, so the enzymes might be high because you're losing weight, which is the only thing they seem to recommend for fatty liver anyway (from the Mayo Clinic's own webpages).

Blue Skies 05-20-2013 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by jazills (Post 16431730)
My dr didn't say what she didn't like about LC but she did say that I should eat wide variety fruit and vegetable regularly and whole grain instead of so much meat. Maybe when I see her this week we can come to some sort of agreement.

This sounds like a standard anti-low carb opinion. Less meat, more wheat. Here's another Dr. who totally disagrees. Google Fatty Liver Disease: "The cause is Carbohydrates Not Fat," by Dr. Terry Simpson. What are his credentials? He's a weight loss surgeon.

He says this:

"The cause of fatty liver disease is not fats -as easy as that would be to guess. The deposition of fat into the liver comes primarily from carbohydrates."

And as Geekin' suggests, he particularly points a finger at fructose. The reason I suggested earlier to read everything you can on this is not for you to become your own doctor, but to be well enough read on it to have the discussion you intend to have w/your doctor. Who knows, perhaps it will inspire her to learn more in this area. If she remains resistant, I would either agree to disagree w/her or find another dr.

Aleina 05-20-2013 08:13 AM

I also side with the get a second opinion crowd . Doctors are loath to swim against the current and if the guidelines of the food pyramid say buckets of fibre and little fat that is what they will recommend. I googled some things as this might be of interest to more people who are heavily overweight like myself and there seems to be no consensus re non alcoholic faty liver. I suggest that you also google so that next time you can have an informed chat with your doc and ask her specifics.
The candida relation interests me.Reading up on it now. Thanks for posting that.

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