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Old 03-17-2013, 10:01 PM   #1
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Hi folks please read below let me know what your thoughts are... I didn't write this up but found it on the internet. I think it may be helpful to some I am also not sure of how accurate it is... Especially the part about keeping up caloric intake to lose fat and lowering it causing risk to vital organs.

"A true ketogenic diet has 80% of total calories from fat. It's imperative to keep your calories high enough to cover your caloric needs including added needs for running or your metabolism will shut down.

Most people would find running 2 miles a day almost impossible the first week. It usually takes several weeks to be able to perform at maximum levels athletically. I would highly recommend adding virgin coconut oil daily. It's the only oil that can be used for quick energy like a carb. I would also suggest adding a half tsp. each of unrefined salt, potassium & vitamin C to 6-8 oz of water & drinking this every morning.

You probably only lost water weight the first week. It's nearly impossible to gain fat stores with 80% of calories from fat sources.

You can lose more body fat eating protein & fat (don't eat protein alone) than not eating AT ALL. To lose weight fast, eat all you want, but nothing but meat, eggs, healthy oils, mayo, butter & half an avocado a day (for added potassium). Keep the calories high & the fat percentage high, at least 65% of calories. Green vegetables & some cheese will continue weight loss but at a slower pace.

The first 2 weeks eat several cups a day of (mostly) lettuce & celery, cucumbers, radishes, mushrooms, peppers & more variety of vegetables thereafter - add 5 grams per day additional every week (20 grams day first 2 weeks, 25grams 3rd week, 30grams 4th week etc) til you gain weight, then subtract 10grams. That will be your personal carb level (everyone is different & depends on how active you are.)

Start with meat, fats & salads for 2 weeks and then slowly add in more green veg, wk4 fresh cheeses, wk5 nuts & seeds, wk6 berries, wk7 legumes, wk8 other fruits, wk9 starchy veg, wk10 whole grains. You will learn how your body reacts to different foods.

The body won't release fat stores if you lower calories below what it needs. It will slow metabolism to compensate & store every spare ounce as fat. If you continue lowering calories, it will continue lowering the set point, til it can survive off nothing & store fat on anything. The body will only release it's fat stores if it knows there is plenty of nutritious food.

Eating carbs while trying to lose body fat is terribly inefficient. When in glycolysis (burning glucose as fuel) you have to lower your calories (which slows your metabolism) & exercise heavily to deplete your glycogen stores before burning body fat.

The core of Atkins program is converting the body from glycolysis (burning glucose as fuel) to ketosis (burning fat as fuel). Dietary fat levels need to be at >65% of total calories, if not, the body will still remain in glycolysis by converting 58% of excess protein into glucose (via gluconeogenesis).

Carbohydrates trigger insulin (the ONLY fat storage hormone). Protein triggers the fat burning hormone glucagon.

The best way to break the carb addiction is NO carbs for 3 days. Make a huge batch of deviled eggs, eat one every time you want "something" - have huge omelets with bacon, sausage, peppers, mushrooms & cheese. Pork chops smothered with peppers, mushrooms & cheese - pork rinds & dip or tuna/chicken/turkey/egg salad - steaks - a huge sugar free cheese cake. Eat so much you won't feel deprived of anything. By the 4th day, the addiction will be gone & you can start making healthy choices.

High insulin levels unbalance other hormones. Controlling insulin levels will balance out other hormones & allow human growth hormone (HGH) to be produced naturally so lean muscle will be gained even without exercise.

Ground flax seed (4 Tbsp) 1/4 cup water, artificial sweetener, mix in a raw egg - let sit 10 min. to absorb liquid, put some cream cheese in the middle & nuke 2 min for daily fiber needs.

As long as you have <9grams carbs per hour, you will maintain insulin control & shouldn't gain weight, no matter the calories because insulin, the fat storage hormone is not activated. Many people gain weight on high carb, do low carb to lose weight & then are shocked when they return to high carb & gain weight. Many people can return to moderate carb levels but very few can really eat all they want of sugar & maintain weight or health.

I am adamantly opposed to low calorie dieting because most people lose a good portion of lean tissue (including vital organs like the heart) along with fat stores. There is no nutrition in fat stores, only energy. Most people get impatient and lower their calories and increase their exercise to a point where they lose so much lean tissue that when they return to what was maintenance level eating they are now accumulating more fat stores because their caloric needs have dropped due to the loss of this tissue as well as their metabolism slowing down to work more efficiently on fewer calories & it becomes a vicious cycle of dieting and more loss (including vital organs like the heart). This stress to the vital organs cannot be healthy."

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Old 03-18-2013, 02:38 AM   #2
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Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. The myths and misconceptions in this are too myriad to deal with. ONE example:

Carbohydrates trigger insulin (the ONLY fat storage hormone). Protein triggers the fat burning hormone glucagon.

Our bodies produce insulin as part of the process of digestion no matter what we eat--protein, fat, carbs--it doesn't matter. What we try to do with low-carb eating is minimize the insulin spike which is higher with high-carb eating because insulin increases to control the blood sugar rise from the carbs. Glucogon is not a 'fat burning hormone.' It complements insulin to control the body's blood sugar level (in a non-diabetic)--if blood sugar is too low, the body releases glucogon to raise it.

So we never eliminate insulin, and the idea that if we avoid carbs, we avoid insulin is pure nonsense. A person can gain weight even with very low carb eating if he/she eats an excess of protein and fat. I know because I've done it.

If low calorie eating 'shuts down' the metabolism, they how to WLS surgery patients lose weight? Or anorexics? There's an effect on metabolism when we eat much less, but studies have shown over and over that the effect is minor and does not affect weight loss.

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Old 03-18-2013, 03:54 AM   #3
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I will just comment on the one part of the article about reducing calories affecting weight loss. In Gary Taubes books he discusses the research about fat accumulation. Some people have more affinity for storing fat in their fat tissues. If these people reduce calories the tissues will still desire to store fat even at a lowered calorie intake. The body either compensates by reducing their metabolic resting rate or eating more (hunger). The same seems to be true for exercise. The affect of exercise on fat accumulation is extremely complex, and it isn't as simple as you burn all of your glycogen stores before burning fat stores. In fact in some people, they burn all most 100% fat when exercising which causes something similar to the type of insulin resistance you see in type II diabetics.

I think the only way around it is to try to reduce carbs without reducing calories too much, until you find you can lose body fat at a slow pace. The research Gary points out seems to indicate that for some people, if they reduce calories they may lose lean muscle mass if their fat tissues have a high affinity for storing fat but that isn't the case for all people. Those are the people that probably require fat fasting to lose weight.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:26 AM   #4
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Carbohydrates trigger insulin (the ONLY fat storage hormone). Protein triggers the fat burning hormone glucagon.
This is phrased as though carb consumption raises insulin, and protein consumption doesn't. In fact, while protein doesn't raise insulin as much as carbs do, protein consumption does result in insulin production - to the point that some people on low-carb diets can end up finding that they need to reduce protein.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:40 PM   #5
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Hi folks please read below let me know what your thoughts are... I didn't write this up but found it on the internet. I think it may be helpful to some I am also not sure of how accurate it is... Especially the part about keeping up caloric intake to lose fat and lowering it causing risk to vital organs.

"A true ketogenic diet has 80% of total calories from fat. It's imperative to keep your calories high enough to cover your caloric needs including added needs for running or your metabolism will shut down.

Most people would find running 2 miles a day almost impossible the first week. It usually takes several weeks to be able to perform at maximum levels athletically. I would highly recommend adding virgin coconut oil daily. It's the only oil that can be used for quick energy like a carb. I would also suggest adding a half tsp. each of unrefined salt, potassium & vitamin C to 6-8 oz of water & drinking this every morning.

You probably only lost water weight the first week. It's nearly impossible to gain fat stores with 80% of calories from fat sources.

You can lose more body fat eating protein & fat (don't eat protein alone) than not eating AT ALL. To lose weight fast, eat all you want, but nothing but meat, eggs, healthy oils, mayo, butter & half an avocado a day (for added potassium). Keep the calories high & the fat percentage high, at least 65% of calories. Green vegetables & some cheese will continue weight loss but at a slower pace.

The first 2 weeks eat several cups a day of (mostly) lettuce & celery, cucumbers, radishes, mushrooms, peppers & more variety of vegetables thereafter - add 5 grams per day additional every week (20 grams day first 2 weeks, 25grams 3rd week, 30grams 4th week etc) til you gain weight, then subtract 10grams. That will be your personal carb level (everyone is different & depends on how active you are.)

Start with meat, fats & salads for 2 weeks and then slowly add in more green veg, wk4 fresh cheeses, wk5 nuts & seeds, wk6 berries, wk7 legumes, wk8 other fruits, wk9 starchy veg, wk10 whole grains. You will learn how your body reacts to different foods.

The body won't release fat stores if you lower calories below what it needs. It will slow metabolism to compensate & store every spare ounce as fat. If you continue lowering calories, it will continue lowering the set point, til it can survive off nothing & store fat on anything. The body will only release it's fat stores if it knows there is plenty of nutritious food.

Eating carbs while trying to lose body fat is terribly inefficient. When in glycolysis (burning glucose as fuel) you have to lower your calories (which slows your metabolism) & exercise heavily to deplete your glycogen stores before burning body fat.

The core of Atkins program is converting the body from glycolysis (burning glucose as fuel) to ketosis (burning fat as fuel). Dietary fat levels need to be at >65% of total calories, if not, the body will still remain in glycolysis by converting 58% of excess protein into glucose (via gluconeogenesis).

Carbohydrates trigger insulin (the ONLY fat storage hormone). Protein triggers the fat burning hormone glucagon.

The best way to break the carb addiction is NO carbs for 3 days. Make a huge batch of deviled eggs, eat one every time you want "something" - have huge omelets with bacon, sausage, peppers, mushrooms & cheese. Pork chops smothered with peppers, mushrooms & cheese - pork rinds & dip or tuna/chicken/turkey/egg salad - steaks - a huge sugar free cheese cake. Eat so much you won't feel deprived of anything. By the 4th day, the addiction will be gone & you can start making healthy choices.

High insulin levels unbalance other hormones. Controlling insulin levels will balance out other hormones & allow human growth hormone (HGH) to be produced naturally so lean muscle will be gained even without exercise.

Ground flax seed (4 Tbsp) 1/4 cup water, artificial sweetener, mix in a raw egg - let sit 10 min. to absorb liquid, put some cream cheese in the middle & nuke 2 min for daily fiber needs.

As long as you have <9grams carbs per hour, you will maintain insulin control & shouldn't gain weight, no matter the calories because insulin, the fat storage hormone is not activated. Many people gain weight on high carb, do low carb to lose weight & then are shocked when they return to high carb & gain weight. Many people can return to moderate carb levels but very few can really eat all they want of sugar & maintain weight or health.

I am adamantly opposed to low calorie dieting because most people lose a good portion of lean tissue (including vital organs like the heart) along with fat stores. There is no nutrition in fat stores, only energy. Most people get impatient and lower their calories and increase their exercise to a point where they lose so much lean tissue that when they return to what was maintenance level eating they are now accumulating more fat stores because their caloric needs have dropped due to the loss of this tissue as well as their metabolism slowing down to work more efficiently on fewer calories & it becomes a vicious cycle of dieting and more loss (including vital organs like the heart). This stress to the vital organs cannot be healthy."
Zoidberg, you might be interested to come over and view this thread:

High Fat NK 80/15/5- very similar ideas discussed at length and the first post by Reddarin each month is particularly informative.
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