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Cindy-lou 01-21-2013 08:01 AM

How much protein
I am not losing weight and I have been doing this since Nov 7th
I lost 16 lbs then since christmas it's been a yoyo
Up 3lbs down 3lbs ....up 3lbs down 3lbs

Should I be counting my protein?
How much should I have?

My menu is
breakfast -2 eggs , 2 bacon, coffee with 2 T of HWC 1 splenda

lunch - can be anything from left over meat to eggs or tuna with mayo

Dinner - meat and veggies and/or salad with 2 T dressing
coffee with 2 T HWC and 1 splenda

I am sooo frustrated
please help :cry:

Sting 01-21-2013 08:12 AM

How many calories are you having daily?

reddarin 01-21-2013 09:23 AM

Read the intro to our NK thread: http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/nu...y-version.html

If NK is overwhelming then you might try hanging out on the http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ot...st-anyone.html thread. Lots of success being posted there.

Just on the by and by, your menu plan looks really low calorie to me. When I ate too little calories I constantly bounced up and down a few pounds. For 170, which means you are large framed and about 5'9", you are expending about 2300 calories for a sedentary person. If you are way under that at your current weight then there is a good chance your body is in panic mode holding on to ever bit of Cindy it possibly can.


clackley 01-21-2013 09:27 AM

Cindy, I know it is frustrating but it is normal to have a 'pause' in weight loss. Four weeks can seem like forever when anticipating something that doesn't seem to happen but in the long run, it is small. What I would suggest you do (if you are not already) is to weigh and measure and log your food so you have a bit of information if you do get to a point that you need to change things.

In the meantime, this is a great little article that someone posted here a long time ago and it really helped me...

Why the scales can lie.
For all of us ready to throw out our scales. I came across this and found it interesting.


A biologist at Berkeley shared something very revealing on the low-carb BBS system about 4 years ago that helps us all through the erratic weight fluctuations you invariably encounter: Fat cells are resilient, stubborn little creatures that do not want to give up their actual cell volume. Over a period of weeks, maybe months of "proper dieting", each of your fat cells may have actually lost a good percentage of the actual fat contained in those cells. But the fat cells themselves, stubborn little guys, replace that lost fat with water to retain their size. That is, instead of shrinking to match the reduced amount of fat in the cell, they stay the same size! Result - you weigh the same, look the same, maybe even gained some scale weight, even though you have actually lost some serious fat.

The good news is that this water replacement is temporary. It's a defensive measure to keep your body from changing too rapidly. It allows the fat cell to counter the rapid change in cell composition, allowing for a slow, gradual reduction in cell size. The problem is, most people are frustrated with their apparent lack of success, assume they have lost nothing, and stop dieting.

However, if you give those fat cells some time, like 4-6 months, and ignore the scale weight fluctuations, your real weight/shape will slowly begin to show. The moral of the story - be patient! Your body is changing even if the number on the scale isn't.


Common patterns of weight loss from tracking a lot of people who become assimilated into the low carb lifestyle, a pattern emerges.... the 2 week induction is pretty heady...weight lost just about every single day, enormous and unbelievable amounts of weight loss are reported. This is often followed by complaints that weight loss "stalls" or that the rate drops to only 1 pound per week.

Many people just don't know that fat-loss ...the actual goal when on a weight-reduction" diet, is rate-limited. In other words, the human body has factors that prevent more than a certain amount of fatty-acid release from storage...and even more factors that prevent those released fatty acids from being used up instead of stored back into the fat cells.

A priority of the human body is survival. Anything that threatens its survival results in the cascade of events to maintain the previous status quo. Water fluctuations are one way the body does this. OK...so you done good on Atkins' during induction...lost 10 pounds the first 2 weeks. Maybe 7 the first week and 3 the second. But, whoa! Weeks 3 and 4 there is NO loss! And weeks 5 and 6 is only 1/2 pound each!

So... what gives? Initially, the body jettisons the water attached to the glycogen stores that we diligently deplete to get into ketosis...this accounts for about 3-5 pounds of water. In addition, muscle stores of glycogen are not being replaced when used...which will account for the rest. All in all...MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized during the first week... and MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized the 2nd week. Of that 10 initial pounds, only 1 pound was fat and 9 pounds water...

The body senses this lack and sirens start shrieking: Warning! Warning! Losing water... new thing...got to get back to the status quo! Brain tells body to produce and release that vasopressin anti-diuretic hormone....more water is retained, and no weight loss noticed. Fat loss is still occurring, MAYBE even 2 pounds per week, because ketosis is firmly established and appetite suppression is in effect...but water retention is hiding that continuing fat loss. The body is preventing dehydration with this mechanism, and that's a *good* thing.

From the perspective of the scale, it can be discouraging. Which is why the mantra: Water retention masks fat loss (repeated frequently to oneself) is helpful. Water retention will mask ongoing fat-loss for as long as the body retains the water. We can combat this by drinking more water...but we aren't going to totally overcome this mechanism during the initial water-loss phase of the Atkins diet. By weeks 5 and 6, things start to get back in balance, and the scale will begin to reflect the true fat-loss...which, as mentioned before is rate-limited.

Individuals vary, but max weight loss runs about 2 pounds per week...under extremely optimal conditions... or 1% of body weight (whichever is the lower number). So don't use the scale as an excuse to undermine your progress. Even when the scale is in a stall, fat loss can be occurring.


We've been told over an over again that daily weighing is unnecessary, yet many of us can't resist peeking at that number every morning. If you just can't bring yourself to toss the scale in the trash, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the factors that influence it's readings. From water retention to glycogen storage and changes in lean body mass, daily weight fluctuations are normal. They are not indicators of your success or failure. Once you understand how these mechanisms work, you can free yourself from the daily battle with the bathroom scale.

Water makes up about 60% of total body mass. Normal fluctuations in the body's water content can send scale-watchers into a tailspin if they don't understand what's happening. Two factors influencing water retention are water consumption and salt intake. Strange as it sounds, the less water you drink, the more of it your body retains. If you are even slightly dehydrated your body will hang onto it's water supplies with a vengeance, possibly causing the number on the scale to inch upward. The solution is to drink plenty of water.

Excess salt (sodium) can also play a big role in water retention. A single teaspoon of salt contains over 2,000 mg of sodium. Generally, we should only eat between 1,000 and 3,000 mg of sodium a day, so it's easy to go overboard. Sodium is a sneaky substance. You would expect it to be most highly concentrated in salty chips, nuts, and crackers. However, a food doesn't have to taste salty to be loaded with sodium. A half cup of instant pudding actually contains nearly four times as much sodium as an ounce of salted nuts, 460 mg in the pudding versus 123 mg in the nuts.

The more highly processed a food is, the more likely it is to have a high sodium content. That's why, when it comes to eating, it's wise to stick mainly to the basics: fruits, vegetables, lean meat, beans, and whole grains. Be sure to read the labels on canned foods, boxed mixes, and frozen dinners.

Women may also retain several pounds of water prior to menstruation. This is very common and the weight will likely disappear as quickly as it arrives. Pre-menstrual water-weight gain can be minimized by drinking plenty of water, maintaining an exercise program, and keeping high-sodium processed foods to a minimum.

Another factor that can influence the scale is glycogen. Think of glycogen as a fuel tank full of stored carbohydrate. Some glycogen is stored in the liver and some is stored the muscles themselves. This energy reserve weighs more than a pound and it's packaged with 3-4 pounds of water when it's stored. Your glycogen supply will shrink during the day if you fail to take in enough carbohydrates.

As the glycogen supply shrinks you will experience a small imperceptible increase in appetite and your body will restore this fuel reserve along with it's associated water. It's normal to experience glycogen and water weight shifts of up to 2 pounds per day even with no changes in your calorie intake or activity level. These fluctuations have nothing to do with fat loss, although they can make for some unnecessarily dramatic weigh-ins if you're prone to obsessing over the number on the scale.

Otherwise rational people also tend to forget about the actual weight of the food they eat. For this reason, it's wise to weigh yourself first thing in the morning before you've had anything to eat or drink. Swallowing a bunch of food before you step on the scale is no different than putting a bunch of rocks in your pocket. The 5 pounds that you gain right after a huge dinner is not fat. It's the actual weight of everything you've had to eat and drink. The added weight of the meal will be gone several hours later when you've finished digesting it.

Exercise physiologists tell us that in order to store one pound of fat, you need to eat 3,500 calories more than your body is able to burn. In other words, to actually store the above dinner as 5 pounds of fat, it would have to contain a whopping 17,500 calories. This is not likely, in fact it's not humanly possible. So when the scale goes up 3 or 4 pounds overnight, rest easy, it's likely to be water, glycogen, and the weight of your dinner. Keep in mind that the 3,500 calorie rule works in reverse also. In order to lose one pound of fat you need to burn 3,500 calories more than you take in.

Generally, it's only possible to lose 1-2 pounds of fat per week. When you follow a very low calorie diet that causes your weight to drop 10 pounds in 7 days, it's physically impossible for all of that to be fat. What you're really losing is water, glycogen, and muscle.

This brings us to the scale's sneakiest attribute. It doesn't just weigh fat. It weighs muscle, bone, water, internal organs and all. When you lose "weight," that doesn't necessarily mean that you've lost fat. In fact, the scale has no way of telling you what you've lost (or gained). Losing muscle is nothing to celebrate. Muscle is a metabolically active tissue. The more muscle you have the more calories your body burns, even when you're just sitting around. That's one reason why a fit, active person is able to eat considerably more food than the dieter who is unwittingly destroying muscle tissue.

Robin Landis, author of "Body Fueling," compares fat and muscles to feathers and gold. One pound of fat is like a big fluffy, lumpy bunch of feathers, and one pound of muscle is small and valuable like a piece of gold. Obviously, you want to lose the dumpy, bulky feathers and keep the sleek beautiful gold. The problem with the scale is that it doesn't differentiate between the two. It can't tell you how much of your total body weight is lean tissue and how much is fat.

There are several other measuring techniques that can accomplish this, although they vary in convenience, accuracy, and cost. Skin-fold calipers pinch and measure fat folds at various locations on the body, hydrostatic (or underwater) weighing involves exhaling all of the air from your lungs before being lowered into a tank of water, and bioelectrical impedance measures the degree to which your body fat impedes a mild electrical current.

If the thought of being pinched, dunked, or gently zapped just doesn't appeal to you, don't worry. The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, don't be discouraged by a small gain on the scale. Fluctuations are perfectly normal. Expect them to happen and take them in stride.

It's a matter of mind over scale.

Cindy-lou 01-21-2013 09:53 AM

WOW what a great link...it took me a few times to read it to fully understand it ;) but I think I got it
I have been a meat and egg girl over there and again my weight would go -3lb + 3 lbs
I need to stop this cycle and move forward
Maybe your right ...maybe it is too low calorie ...

I can't do alot of carbs because it bothers my stomach (bloating and gas)
thats why I was wondering about protein...
How could I increase my calories? more eggs?

reddarin 01-21-2013 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Cindy-lou (Post 16209882)
WOW what a great link...it took me a few times to read it to fully understand it ;) but I think I got it
I have been a meat and egg girl over there and again my weight would go -3lb + 3 lbs
I need to stop this cycle and move forward
Maybe your right ...maybe it is too low calorie ...

I can't do alot of carbs because it bothers my stomach (bloating and gas)
thats why I was wondering about protein...
How could I increase my calories? more eggs?

Thanks :) I packed a lot of information in it for the lurkers.

It is possible that you are eating too much protein and if that is the case it could stall you since the excess gets converted to sugar. And protein provokes a mild insulin response anyway.

Calculate your protein on your ideal weight, which is not necessarily your goal weight, and compare it to your menu to see how far apart you are. 1.5 to 2.0 grams per ideal kg is a lot of protein all things considered.

But! If your protein is in the right range but your calories are too low then you might stall the way you have been. It is because as a percentage your protein macro is far to high since your body is actively trying to conserve body fat.

Eggs are more of a protein source than a calorie source.

I see you are eating mayo and dressing. Is it store bought? It is very hard to find good LC mayo or dressing at the store because they are almost all made with super unhealthy PUFA oils like soy and canola.

You can tweak your menu to up your fat by using more good fat mayo and dressing. Have 4 slices of bacon instead of two even if you need to eat one egg rather than two because the extra bacon fills you up. Tuna is great food, nutritionally, but it is very lean so that is why more good fat mayo is a good tweak. Use real butter on your veggies.

Have you discovered coconut oil yet? Absolutely wonderful stuff.

I agree with clackley. Logging, weighing and measuring is the way to go particularly if your results are not what you want.

There are a lot of food logging sites on the net. Some of them compete directly with LCF sponsors so we can't refer to them. Pick 3 or more and log your food at all of them at the same time. Do that for a couple of weeks so you can find one that you really like. The great thing about food logs, other than the immediate information they provide, is the history they create for you. You can look back on weeks of how you were eating, how your macros panned out, how many calories, etc and get great insights into what works for you specifically. That is how I knew that bumping my calories up fixed my constant up/down problem.

Also! Get a tape measure and measure yourself. Google for how and where to do it if you haven't done it before. The tape measure will save your sanity when the scale says you are stalled or have gained a little.


cfine 01-21-2013 03:32 PM

Less protein-more fat :)

Cindy-lou 01-21-2013 04:08 PM

Cathy-WOW what a great post...everything makes so much sense....I do think I am pushing myself and wanting more because I did have a great first month...then Christmas hit and its hard because I WANT the 14 lbs a month loss... realistically that will NEVER happen and I thank you for posting this...opened my eyes
I will be saving this and read it when I feel this way again


Originally Posted by reddarin (Post 16209999)
Calculate your protein on your ideal weight, which is not necessarily your goal weight, and compare it to your menu to see how far apart you are. 1.5 to 2.0 grams per ideal kg is a lot of protein all things considered.

My protein seems to be around 115 but my calories were only a little over 1300 so adding more good fats!!!! and drinking more water...

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