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Old 01-21-2013, 04:39 AM   #1
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In ketosis but no weight lost

I started induction again last Wednesday. I have been in ketosis since Friday but I haven't lost any weight at all
I gained over the holidays from eating junk and I was hoping to get it off quickly but it doesn't seem to be working.

I'm drinking plenty of water and staying below 20 carbs a day.

What else can I try? I'm starting to think I need to go back to Weight Watchers
Maybe I need to do low carb and still count Weight Watchers points?
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:46 AM   #2
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What does your daily menu look like?

(BTW, did you manage to solve your other problem? It may have something to do with you not losing weight...)

Also, judging from your stats, you only have 11lbs left to lose, so it may go slower than for someone who needs to lose a lot more. Also, you cannot expect to lose more than 10% of the total weight you need to lose in the first two weeks...
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Old 01-21-2013, 05:12 AM   #3
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Actually my stats are wrong. I'm sitting at 164 right now and its not budging.
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You can be in ketosis and not lose for any number of reasons.

What do you eat on a daily basis?
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Being in ketosis doesn't guarantee weight loss. Overeating, even low-carb foods, will prevent loss.

Personally, in the past, I've gained weight on almost zero carbs because I'm one of those people who doesn't lose her appetite in ketosis.

My advice would be to track both carbs and calories to see what level you're eating at. You mention WW, but their point system is just another way to control portions. You can control portions on low carb by watching calories, and many of us need to do that to lose.
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Yes but if I'm controlling calories and sticking to low carb then there are a lot less food options correct?

Sigh.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:03 AM   #7
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IMHO, I think you need to give it more than 3 days in ketosis to show a weight loss. Give it a few weeks and if that doesn't show a weight loss, then start tweaking.
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I started induction again last Wednesday. I have been in ketosis since Friday but I haven't lost any weight at all
I gained over the holidays from eating junk and I was hoping to get it off quickly but it doesn't seem to be working.

I'm drinking plenty of water and staying below 20 carbs a day.

What else can I try? I'm starting to think I need to go back to Weight Watchers
Maybe I need to do low carb and still count Weight Watchers points?
It would be very useful to see a typical menu.

It is also good to be aware that over a short period of time, you will have fluid fluctuations. You could in fact be losing but it is too early to tell. Remember that is is the trend that is important rather than the day-to-day.

Another thing that could be at play is that after low carbing for some time, it is possible to be a bit 'generous' with carbs counts, portion sizes and eating foods that are not actually induction foods. It can be enough to thwart weight loss.

Weighing and measuring and then logging is the only way to know for sure.
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:45 AM   #10
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Any advice without a menu is just purely speculative and isn't as useful as actually responding to what you eat on a daily basis as well as the amounts. Post a menu.
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Yes but if I'm controlling calories and sticking to low carb then there are a lot less food options correct?

Sigh.
Not necessarily. I count calories and do low carb/high fat - I'm only limited in that I know if I eat a whole pack of bacon I'm not going to have as many calories available for dinner. Hardly a big tradeoff

I was about your weight prepregnancy, and found I could lose fat at a good clip with 1800-ish calories and exercise five days a week (light to moderate exercise, nothing crazy). I'd have eaten about the same whether I was counting calories or not, but since I have been logging my food for years it was an easier thing to just continue on that way than drop it. But it's quite easy and no more restrictive than normal low carb, except that I am AWARE of how many calories my food is and try to make smart choices accordingly. It doesn't mean I'm not eating cheese, mayo, and sausage - I just begin with smaller quantities and don't graze
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:19 AM   #12
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As sucky as it is, I have to count carbs and calories, it's the only way I lose. The benefit of low carb is that I am more satisfied on lower calories and might get away with a smidge more than just regular eating, but as others have said, over eating is over eating, no matter what the food source.

I have to track everything to lose. I am small, 5'1", I just can't eat a lot and lose. Not a fun realization, but I finally had to accept it.

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what were you eating before you started induction? I suspect you were already low enough carb for YOU that you didn't have extra water weight to lose. so yes, if you eat too much you will not lose.
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Some people lose in fits and starts, and many people go for a week or two (or longer) without the scale going down, despite limiting carbs and calories. I think you need to be more patient and give this more time; also, posting some sample menus may help people here spot some possible problem foods.
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I feel your frustration. I started back on atkin's jan 1st. and lost only 3 lbs over the 2 weeks, only to have gained it back and bouncing up and down 2-3 lbs. I had started exercising 5x a week and it was TOM during induction, but it's so frustrating to not see any scale loss for the whole month. I'm beginning to think my body has become too used to low carb, as I ate that way most of the time except for those times I laxed off and gained the weight.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:11 PM   #16
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I feel your pain. I have been on induction since 1/15 and only lost 3 lbs. not sure what is going on but I am sticking with it. I am going to start working out this week; hoping this will boost the lbs lost. good luck to you!
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You may not lose wt. right away. stick with it, if your blood sugar is high, you have to burn that off first before you start burning the fat. Good luck and measure yourself, you may be losing inches!
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I feel your pain. I have been on induction since 1/15 and only lost 3 lbs. not sure what is going on but I am sticking with it. I am going to start working out this week; hoping this will boost the lbs lost. good luck to you!
kgirl, I know that you are not in a long term stall, or even a stall, by any stretch of the imagination but google 'phinney jimmy moore long term stalls' for a great podcast. Lots of really excellent information that applies to LC without regard to stalls.

If you begin exercising, which is not needed for weight loss, be sure it is some form of resistance exercise as that is the only type that is indirectly beneficial for weight loss. And keep it moderate. Intense all week long exercise of any kind is not weight loss inducing.

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Old 01-28-2013, 02:36 AM   #19
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I started induction again last Wednesday. I have been in ketosis since Friday but I haven't lost any weight at all
I gained over the holidays from eating junk and I was hoping to get it off quickly but it doesn't seem to be working.

I'm drinking plenty of water and staying below 20 carbs a day.

What else can I try? I'm starting to think I need to go back to Weight Watchers
Maybe I need to do low carb and still count Weight Watchers points?
Read this word for word than read it again

WHY THE SCALES CAN LIE

A biologist at Berkeley shared something very revealing on the low-carb BBS system about 4 years ago that helps us all through the erratic weight fluctuations you invariably encounter: Fat cells are resilient, stubborn little creatures that do not want to give up their actual cell volume. Over a period of weeks, maybe months of "proper dieting", each of your fat cells may have actually lost a good percentage of the actual fat contained in those cells. But the fat cells themselves, stubborn little guys, replace that lost fat with water to retain their size. That is, instead of shrinking to match the reduced amount of fat in the cell, they stay the same size! Result - you weigh the same, look the same, maybe even gained some scale weight, even though you have actually lost some serious fat.

The good news is that this water replacement is temporary. It's a defensive measure to keep your body from changing too rapidly. It allows the fat cell to counter the rapid change in cell composition, allowing for a slow, gradual reduction in cell size. The problem is, most people are frustrated with their apparent lack of success, assume they have lost nothing, and stop dieting.

However, if you give those fat cells some time, like 4-6 months, and ignore the scale weight fluctuations, your real weight/shape will slowly begin to show. The moral of the story - be patient! Your body is changing even if the number on the scale isn't.

PATTERNS OF WEIGHT LOSS

Common patterns of weight loss from tracking a lot of people who become assimilated into the low carb lifestyle, a pattern emerges.... the 2 week induction is pretty heady...weight lost just about every single day, enormous and unbelievable amounts of weight loss are reported. This is often followed by complaints that weight loss "stalls" or that the rate drops to only 1 pound per week.

Many people just don't know that fat-loss ...the actual goal when on a weight-reduction" diet, is rate-limited. In other words, the human body has factors that prevent more than a certain amount of fatty-acid release from storage...and even more factors that prevent those released fatty acids from being used up instead of stored back into the fat cells.

A priority of the human body is survival. Anything that threatens its survival results in the cascade of events to maintain the previous status quo. Water fluctuations are one way the body does this. OK...so you done good on Atkins' during induction...lost 10 pounds the first 2 weeks. Maybe 7 the first week and 3 the second. But, whoa! Weeks 3 and 4 there is NO loss! And weeks 5 and 6 is only 1/2 pound each!

So... what gives? Initially, the body jettisons the water attached to the glycogen stores that we diligently deplete to get into ketosis...this accounts for about 3-5 pounds of water. In addition, muscle stores of glycogen are not being replaced when used...which will account for the rest. All in all...MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized during the first week... and MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized the 2nd week. Of that 10 initial pounds, only 1 pound was fat and 9 pounds water...

The body senses this lack and sirens start shrieking: Warning! Warning! Losing water... new thing...got to get back to the status quo! Brain tells body to produce and release that vasopressin anti-diuretic hormone....more water is retained, and no weight loss noticed. Fat loss is still occurring, MAYBE even 2 pounds per week, because ketosis is firmly established and appetite suppression is in effect...but water retention is hiding that continuing fat loss. The body is preventing dehydration with this mechanism, and that's a *good* thing.

From the perspective of the scale, it can be discouraging. Which is why the mantra: Water retention masks fat loss (repeated frequently to oneself) is helpful. Water retention will mask ongoing fat-loss for as long as the body retains the water. We can combat this by drinking more water...but we aren't going to totally overcome this mechanism during the initial water-loss phase of the Atkins diet. By weeks 5 and 6, things start to get back in balance, and the scale will begin to reflect the true fat-loss...which, as mentioned before is rate-limited.

Individuals vary, but max weight loss runs about 2 pounds per week...under extremely optimal conditions... or 1% of body weight (whichever is the lower number). So don't use the scale as an excuse to undermine your progress. Even when the scale is in a stall, fat loss can be occurring.

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We've been told over an over again that daily weighing is unnecessary, yet many of us can't resist peeking at that number every morning. If you just can't bring yourself to toss the scale in the trash, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the factors that influence it's readings. From water retention to glycogen storage and changes in lean body mass, daily weight fluctuations are normal. They are not indicators of your success or failure. Once you understand how these mechanisms work, you can free yourself from the daily battle with the bathroom scale.

Water makes up about 60% of total body mass. Normal fluctuations in the body's water content can send scale-watchers into a tailspin if they don't understand what's happening. Two factors influencing water retention are water consumption and salt intake. Strange as it sounds, the less water you drink, the more of it your body retains. If you are even slightly dehydrated your body will hang onto it's water supplies with a vengeance, possibly causing the number on the scale to inch upward. The solution is to drink plenty of water.

Excess salt (sodium) can also play a big role in water retention. A single teaspoon of salt contains over 2,000 mg of sodium. Generally, we should only eat between 1,000 and 3,000 mg of sodium a day, so it's easy to go overboard. Sodium is a sneaky substance. You would expect it to be most highly concentrated in salty chips, nuts, and crackers. However, a food doesn't have to taste salty to be loaded with sodium. A half cup of instant pudding actually contains nearly four times as much sodium as an ounce of salted nuts, 460 mg in the pudding versus 123 mg in the nuts.

The more highly processed a food is, the more likely it is to have a high sodium content. That's why, when it comes to eating, it's wise to stick mainly to the basics: fruits, vegetables, lean meat, beans, and whole grains. Be sure to read the labels on canned foods, boxed mixes, and frozen dinners.

Women may also retain several pounds of water prior to menstruation. This is very common and the weight will likely disappear as quickly as it arrives. Pre-menstrual water-weight gain can be minimized by drinking plenty of water, maintaining an exercise program, and keeping high-sodium processed foods to a minimum.

Another factor that can influence the scale is glycogen. Think of glycogen as a fuel tank full of stored carbohydrate. Some glycogen is stored in the liver and some is stored the muscles themselves. This energy reserve weighs more than a pound and it's packaged with 3-4 pounds of water when it's stored. Your glycogen supply will shrink during the day if you fail to take in enough carbohydrates.

As the glycogen supply shrinks you will experience a small imperceptible increase in appetite and your body will restore this fuel reserve along with it's associated water. It's normal to experience glycogen and water weight shifts of up to 2 pounds per day even with no changes in your calorie intake or activity level. These fluctuations have nothing to do with fat loss, although they can make for some unnecessarily dramatic weigh-ins if you're prone to obsessing over the number on the scale.

Otherwise rational people also tend to forget about the actual weight of the food they eat. For this reason, it's wise to weigh yourself first thing in the morning before you've had anything to eat or drink. Swallowing a bunch of food before you step on the scale is no different than putting a bunch of rocks in your pocket. The 5 pounds that you gain right after a huge dinner is not fat. It's the actual weight of everything you've had to eat and drink. The added weight of the meal will be gone several hours later when you've finished digesting it.

Exercise physiologists tell us that in order to store one pound of fat, you need to eat 3,500 calories more than your body is able to burn. In other words, to actually store the above dinner as 5 pounds of fat, it would have to contain a whopping 17,500 calories. This is not likely, in fact it's not humanly possible. So when the scale goes up 3 or 4 pounds overnight, rest easy, it's likely to be water, glycogen, and the weight of your dinner. Keep in mind that the 3,500 calorie rule works in reverse also. In order to lose one pound of fat you need to burn 3,500 calories more than you take in.

Generally, it's only possible to lose 1-2 pounds of fat per week. When you follow a very low calorie diet that causes your weight to drop 10 pounds in 7 days, it's physically impossible for all of that to be fat. What you're really losing is water, glycogen, and muscle.

This brings us to the scale's sneakiest attribute. It doesn't just weigh fat. It weighs muscle, bone, water, internal organs and all. When you lose "weight," that doesn't necessarily mean that you've lost fat. In fact, the scale has no way of telling you what you've lost (or gained). Losing muscle is nothing to celebrate. Muscle is a metabolically active tissue. The more muscle you have the more calories your body burns, even when you're just sitting around. That's one reason why a fit, active person is able to eat considerably more food than the dieter who is unwittingly destroying muscle tissue.

Robin Landis, author of "Body Fueling," compares fat and muscles to feathers and gold. One pound of fat is like a big fluffy, lumpy bunch of feathers, and one pound of muscle is small and valuable like a piece of gold. Obviously, you want to lose the dumpy, bulky feathers and keep the sleek beautiful gold. The problem with the scale is that it doesn't differentiate between the two. It can't tell you how much of your total body weight is lean tissue and how much is fat.

There are several other measuring techniques that can accomplish this, although they vary in convenience, accuracy, and cost. Skin-fold calipers pinch and measure fat folds at various locations on the body, hydrostatic (or underwater) weighing involves exhaling all of the air from your lungs before being lowered into a tank of water, and bioelectrical impedance measures the degree to which your body fat impedes a mild electrical current.

If the thought of being pinched, dunked, or gently zapped just doesn't appeal to you, don't worry. The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, don't be discouraged by a small gain on the scale. Fluctuations are perfectly normal. Expect them to happen and take them in stride.

It's a matter of mind over scale.
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