Ketosis

godsbeloved79 · 01-10-2013, 01:39 PM

How long did it take for your body to get into ketosis and what did you experience during that time?

Taxbane · 01-10-2013, 03:18 PM

It takes longer to get into ketosis the first few time, at least for me it did. It took about a week or week and a half.

Now though, over two years, I have probably entered into ketosis somewhere between 20 an 30 times, and I beleive I can get into it about 3 to 4 days if i totally minimize my carbs and do some intense cardio.

By the numbers, your brain initially needs about 100 carbs a day, and you have about 300 carbs stored in your liver. In order for your body to ramp up its ketosis metabolism, you have to trick your brain into thinking that carbs are dietarily unavailable, so it needs to change gears causing your body to switch fuels from carbs to fats/ketones and that your liver needs to generate the carbs for the brain.

Best case is if you ate 0 carbs and your brain used 100 carbs per day, you would start ramping up ketosis after three days.

Practically though, you still have some carbs in your GI track being digested, plus the 300 carbs in your liver, plus what ever net carbs you eat durring induction, so it is a matter of just computing your carb intake less the approximate 100 carb requirement for the burn.

If you want to speed up the process, I believe cardio/strength training each day would help, as it would help burn of any net carbs you did eat, plus it would require energy from somewhere - most likely would aid in depleting the carbs in the liver faster.

So for the fun part of your question: It is common to experience induction flu symptoms, which you can look up, but personally I experiece extreme "irritability" and become very sound sensitive. Additionally I get upper back muscle pain, which is unfomfortable but not delibatinn or anything. These symptoms usually last about 2-3 days. These symptoms are caused because inorder for the ketosis to occur, your body must produce enzymes capable of breaking down fats. Unfortuantely, in order to make those enzymes, your body temporarily depletes your tryptophan stores which causes a temporary depletion in your seratonin levels, which causes the irritability/mood swings/aches/pains. Once your body adjusts, your tryptophan/seratonin levels replenish all those symptoms go away.

Just remember to drink plenty of water, and try to keep your electrolytes balanced durring the diarhetic induction phase (sodium/potassium/calcium/magnesium), otherwise that could lead to other symptoms.

Arctic_Mama · 01-10-2013, 03:24 PM

Well, it can suck initially, depending on your prior eating habits and how much detox you're going through. The first two weeks can be tiring, your energy might be lower and cravings high. But eventually these feelings WILL go away

. I get into ketosis easily, in a day or two, but initially the time was longer. Now I'm fat adapted and it is a simple matter.

Punkin · 01-10-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Taxbane

By the numbers, your brain initially needs about 100 carbs a day, and you have about 300 carbs stored in your liver. .

Do you mean 100 calories from carbs or 100g of carbs? Because 100g of carbs is roughly 400cal.

Taxbane · 01-10-2013, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Punkin

Do you mean 100 calories from carbs or 100g of carbs? Because 100g of carbs is roughly 400cal.

100g of carbs.

biggestloser · 01-10-2013, 10:40 PM

So for the fun part of your question: It is common to experience induction flu symptoms, which you can look up, but personally I experiece extreme "irritability" and become very sound sensitive. Additionally I get upper back muscle pain, which is unfomfortable but not delibatinn or anything. These symptoms usually last about 2-3 days. These symptoms are caused because inorder for the ketosis to occur, your body must produce enzymes capable of breaking down fats. Unfortuantely, in order to make those enzymes, your body temporarily depletes your tryptophan stores which causes a temporary depletion in your seratonin levels, which causes the irritability/mood swings/aches/pains. Once your body adjusts, your tryptophan/seratonin levels replenish all those symptoms go away.

Just remember to drink plenty of water, and try to keep your electrolytes balanced durring the diarhetic induction phase (sodium/potassium/calcium/magnesium), otherwise that could lead to other symptoms.[/QUOTE]

This is very interesting. Who writes about this? I've only read one of Atkins books and I don't remember him getting into all this. But I've been there with that induction flu and it sucks!

Maumie · 01-11-2013, 07:12 AM

I used to have to use strips to know I was in ketosis, but now I can taste that I'm in it and smell it in my urine. My mouth tastes almost coppery (and I know my breath is yucky...sugar free gum/mints are a MUST!). A lot of people find that they aren't hungry while they are in ketosis. I find that I can go long periods without wanting to eat but then when the feeling of hunger hits, it's an immediate and urgent need! I have more energy and don't sleep as late (which for me, is a good thing).

godsbeloved79 · 01-11-2013, 08:48 AM

Thanks for all the valuable input everyone!

01-10-2013, 01:39 PM	#1
godsbeloved79 Atkineer For Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pompano Bch, FL Posts: 18,889 Gallery: godsbeloved79 Stats: 247/240/160 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 4/22/13	Ketosis How long did it take for your body to get into ketosis and what did you experience during that time?

01-10-2013, 03:18 PM	#2
Taxbane Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Longwood, FL Posts: 791 Gallery: Taxbane Stats: LBS:215/171/160- - -BF%: 35+/20/11 WOE: 1650 kcals (55 NC/160P/88F) Str Train x2 Wk. Start Date: December 2010	It takes longer to get into ketosis the first few time, at least for me it did. It took about a week or week and a half. Now though, over two years, I have probably entered into ketosis somewhere between 20 an 30 times, and I beleive I can get into it about 3 to 4 days if i totally minimize my carbs and do some intense cardio. By the numbers, your brain initially needs about 100 carbs a day, and you have about 300 carbs stored in your liver. In order for your body to ramp up its ketosis metabolism, you have to trick your brain into thinking that carbs are dietarily unavailable, so it needs to change gears causing your body to switch fuels from carbs to fats/ketones and that your liver needs to generate the carbs for the brain. Best case is if you ate 0 carbs and your brain used 100 carbs per day, you would start ramping up ketosis after three days. Practically though, you still have some carbs in your GI track being digested, plus the 300 carbs in your liver, plus what ever net carbs you eat durring induction, so it is a matter of just computing your carb intake less the approximate 100 carb requirement for the burn. If you want to speed up the process, I believe cardio/strength training each day would help, as it would help burn of any net carbs you did eat, plus it would require energy from somewhere - most likely would aid in depleting the carbs in the liver faster. So for the fun part of your question: It is common to experience induction flu symptoms, which you can look up, but personally I experiece extreme "irritability" and become very sound sensitive. Additionally I get upper back muscle pain, which is unfomfortable but not delibatinn or anything. These symptoms usually last about 2-3 days. These symptoms are caused because inorder for the ketosis to occur, your body must produce enzymes capable of breaking down fats. Unfortuantely, in order to make those enzymes, your body temporarily depletes your tryptophan stores which causes a temporary depletion in your seratonin levels, which causes the irritability/mood swings/aches/pains. Once your body adjusts, your tryptophan/seratonin levels replenish all those symptoms go away. Just remember to drink plenty of water, and try to keep your electrolytes balanced durring the diarhetic induction phase (sodium/potassium/calcium/magnesium), otherwise that could lead to other symptoms. __________________ Avoid: Sucralose; Aspartame; Ace K; Sacc.; MSG/Excitotoxins; HFCS; Maltitol; Use: Weights; Vit/Min Supps; Journaling; Stevia; Erythritol; Chicory Root; Read: Eades, Atkins, Taubes, McDonald, Mendosa Understand: 1 lb p/w lost is Great; BFat % & inches > weighing; Net Carbs = Carbs - Fiber - Erythritol; FDA allows Inc.s to round down small amounts of Carbs and/or Calories to ZERO, (a serving size of "tsp" is probably a lie; Calories do matter;

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01-10-2013, 03:24 PM	#3
Arctic_Mama Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,720 Gallery: Arctic_Mama Stats: 257/163/140 WOE: Atkins 2002 Start Date: R1 12/11, R2 3/12	Well, it can suck initially, depending on your prior eating habits and how much detox you're going through. The first two weeks can be tiring, your energy might be lower and cravings high. But eventually these feelings WILL go away . I get into ketosis easily, in a day or two, but initially the time was longer. Now I'm fat adapted and it is a simple matter.

01-10-2013, 10:40 PM	#6
biggestloser Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 94 Gallery: biggestloser Stats: High Weight 244 in Feb 06, Current:212/205/190 WOE: Atkins Start Date: December 18th, 2012	So for the fun part of your question: It is common to experience induction flu symptoms, which you can look up, but personally I experiece extreme "irritability" and become very sound sensitive. Additionally I get upper back muscle pain, which is unfomfortable but not delibatinn or anything. These symptoms usually last about 2-3 days. These symptoms are caused because inorder for the ketosis to occur, your body must produce enzymes capable of breaking down fats. Unfortuantely, in order to make those enzymes, your body temporarily depletes your tryptophan stores which causes a temporary depletion in your seratonin levels, which causes the irritability/mood swings/aches/pains. Once your body adjusts, your tryptophan/seratonin levels replenish all those symptoms go away. Just remember to drink plenty of water, and try to keep your electrolytes balanced durring the diarhetic induction phase (sodium/potassium/calcium/magnesium), otherwise that could lead to other symptoms.[/QUOTE] This is very interesting. Who writes about this? I've only read one of Atkins books and I don't remember him getting into all this. But I've been there with that induction flu and it sucks!

01-11-2013, 07:12 AM	#7
Maumie Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Suburban Detroit Posts: 70 Gallery: Maumie Stats: 223-194/171/Size 12 WOE: Low Carb/Atkins Start Date: 10-1-2012	I used to have to use strips to know I was in ketosis, but now I can taste that I'm in it and smell it in my urine. My mouth tastes almost coppery (and I know my breath is yucky...sugar free gum/mints are a MUST!). A lot of people find that they aren't hungry while they are in ketosis. I find that I can go long periods without wanting to eat but then when the feeling of hunger hits, it's an immediate and urgent need! I have more energy and don't sleep as late (which for me, is a good thing).

01-11-2013, 08:48 AM	#8
godsbeloved79 Atkineer For Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pompano Bch, FL Posts: 18,889 Gallery: godsbeloved79 Stats: 247/240/160 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 4/22/13	Thanks for all the valuable input everyone!