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Old 01-08-2013, 09:04 AM   #1
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It's amazing how scared most people are of Fat!

My fault, I made the mistake, I mentioned Atkins to friends today and the main worry they had was about eating all that fat! I told them fat is not the problem it's what we eat with the fat that is the problem for most folks. They were both talking up low calorie, low fat. I just listened and kept my trap shut, maybe it works for them (they are both average weight) but it sure doesn't work for me. To each his own, but the fat fear is amusing.
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:09 AM   #2
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I had an abdominal ultrasound yesterday and have a clean gall bladder.
I told the ultrasound tech that I eat plenty of fat to keep it healthy and he said, 'I keep telling people....'
Then he said he goes to Carl's jr for gall bladder therapy.
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:29 AM   #3
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I had an abdominal ultrasound yesterday and have a clean gall bladder.
I told the ultrasound tech that I eat plenty of fat to keep it healthy and he said, 'I keep telling people....'
Then he said he goes to Carl's jr for gall bladder therapy.
I should use that! Only it would be Five Guys...awesome burgers!
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:33 AM   #4
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I second the five guys, and it helps by use that they started offering bowls for the burgers for people that dont want buns.

I remember at one point when my husband and I first moved in together, I cooked the way I was raised, lots of butter and bacon fat, also how i ate when I did atkins the first time. Cooked eggs in the bacon fat. His response "those are the best eggs I ever ate... Don't ever do that again."

Now he wants them cooked in butter or bacon fat because he's realized fat isnt the enemy
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:35 AM   #5
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I eat so much less when I eat more good quality fat. I'm so satisfied and find it hard to overeat. It really kills my appetite. (Now give me sugar with that fat, and I'll stuff my face all day long. That's what makes me gain weight!)

Yay for fat!
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I was visiting my family on the east coast for 10 days during the Christmas season. (I totally went off plan - it was next to impossible to eat clean for that period of time when someone else is completely in control of the cooking) My mom was making a huge breakfast for us all and, after cooking the bacon, lamented that she just didn't know what to do with "all of that bacon grease". I was like, "Cook my eggs in it!". She was horrified! "All that fat just can't be good for you". Keep in mind, I've been doing this WOE for more than 2 years, and I've lost more than 60 lbs. In the past I have reassured her that my lipid results have improved in that time frame, despite the amount of fat I ingest. My mom has been diagnosed pre-diabetic, and her lipid #s are NOT good (I realize that cholesterol readings are not a valid diagnostic tool for predicting heart disease, but when I work out her #s as to ratios, they are bad. I would LOVE it if she would convert to low carb, but I don't see that ever happening

I also came home with an almost-full container of coconut oil, courtesy of my aunt, who had contacted me several months ago to inquire as to the health benefits of using it. Her doctor freaked out when she found out my aunt was using coconut oil, telling my aunt that her cholesterol "will go through the roof on that stuff!" and that it is one of the worst things that my aunt could be ingesting

My mom had bought whole milk for my 11 yo nephew, and 2% milk for my sister and brother-in-law. My sister couldn't believe that my mother had purchased WHOLE MILK for my nephew because her pediatrician advised her to cut back on the fat. Keep in mind, this kid is a reed - constantly in motion - rarely watches tv or sits in front of a computer/video game. I am amazed every time I spend time with him because he is so unlike the unhealthy, overweight kids see all the time. I was like, "The whole milk is the least of society's problem when it comes to overweight kids - it's all the sugar that's doing them in". Of course my sister took it as an indictment of her parenting and became really defensive. I was just making a general statement about the upside-down medical advice that parents are getting today.

On some levels, I am encouraged by the seemingly increasing acceptance of the LCHF/clean eating movement. On the other hand . . .
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the funny thing for us is my husbands doctor is the one who told him he needed to go low carb to control his diabetes, to start eating more protein and fat and reduce the carbs. Some doctors embrace it, others when I was on Atkins the first time I said I was on Atkins induction for 3 months, he rushes me into blood testing to show it was damaging to my cholesterol, yet the tests showed my cholesterol had bottomed out
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It is my understanding that one can eat a low fat/high carb diet and be healthy. One can also eat a high fat/low carb diet and be healthy. It's when the fat and carbs are combined that you get obesity, heart disease, etc. With that said, I am not afraid of some fat but I don't seek it out. I almost always blot my burgers, sausages, etc. and I cook my bacon on a rack to let some fat drip off. I have never got on board with throwing the coconut oil into everything like coffee, protein shakes, eating it off the spoon, etc. But that's just me.

Some people are fat phobic, for sure. The word "Atkins" has become synonomous with "bacon, all day every day" and that's just not true. If you care about what others think, you have to say you're gluten free or paleo. Then they are like, "oh, you're progressive and cool."
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Yeah, it's really been drummed into us the fat is the enemy. I was at my parent's for Christmas and mere moments after telling me how good I'm looking and how much weight I've lost, my dad starting ranting about how all that fat is so unhealthy and I'm gonna gain all the weight back. I said 'this is how I lost it'! He just looked annoyed and shut up.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:39 AM   #10
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My brother and I went out to eat one night over Thanksgiving. The manager of the bar we went to was giving my bro (who is a regular there) crap about his diet and the amount of fat in it - specifically in the seasoned sour cream he was dipping his waffle fries into. As the manager walked away, bro got an earful from me about the sour cream being FINE, it was the FRIES that were the problem.

I know she (manager) meant well, but really, who are you to lecture on nutrition?!
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fat really IS that unhealthy when people eat a lot of carbs. from the research I have read, unless you keep your carbs under about 150 grams a day, saturated fat particularly does all the bad stuff they say it does. we have to be careful, especially, if we are women low carbing with husbands who are NOT, that they don't get both the carbs and the saturated fat and end up very badly for it.
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My fault, I made the mistake, I mentioned Atkins to friends today and the main worry they had was about eating all that fat! I told them THIS RIGHT HERE----fat is not the problem it's what we eat with the fat that is the problem for most folks. ---I can't believe how many people just don't understand this!!! You are so right!They were both talking up low calorie, low fat. I just listened and kept my trap shut, maybe it works for them (they are both average weight) but it sure doesn't work for me. To each his own, but the fat fear is amusing.

I say good high fat with low carb is great for you. add in junk carbs and sugar then it is heart attack time
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:06 PM   #13
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I do find it easier not to share my WOE with my friends as they just don't understand. When we go out to dinner I just get salads with some kind of protein on it so it appears that I'm just on a normal healthy diet. For those who don't understand the diet, it is hard to make them understand the benefits as all they focus on is all the fat. That is where this forum is so beneficial to me! It is nice to be able to share successes, setbacks and strategies!
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:18 PM   #14
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fat really IS that unhealthy when people eat a lot of carbs. from the research I have read, unless you keep your carbs under about 150 grams a day, saturated fat particularly does all the bad stuff they say it does. we have to be careful, especially, if we are women low carbing with husbands who are NOT, that they don't get both the carbs and the saturated fat and end up very badly for it.


That is a very good point.
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Everyone at work knows I lost my weight through LCHF, and I am constantly pointing out that the ONLY reason I eat as much fat as I do is because I'm also not eating carbs. I tell people all the time that you can't do both!
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:04 PM   #16
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When someone tells you how bad bacon is, it's a hard sell to make them understand that saturated fat is not bad for you. Don't even try.

But try this conversation:

"Do you believe that olive oil is good for you?"
"Oh, yes, olive oil has unsaturated fat -- the 'good for you' fat."
"So unsaturated fat is good for you."
"Oh, yes, everyone knows that."
"Guess what. Two thirds of the fat in bacon is unsaturated fat."

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Old 01-08-2013, 05:13 PM   #17
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fat really IS that unhealthy when people eat a lot of carbs. from the research I have read, unless you keep your carbs under about 150 grams a day, saturated fat particularly does all the bad stuff they say it does. we have to be careful, especially, if we are women low carbing with husbands who are NOT, that they don't get both the carbs and the saturated fat and end up very badly for it.
I think this is very true. My husband is a vegetarian, low fat, whole foods guy and is very healthy. I cook differently for him than I do for myself. The two ways of eating come together with salads and other veggies, although I load mine up with fatty dressing and sauces while his have oil and vinegar. I eat meat, he eats homebaked goods made with unrefined grains and fruit. I'm afraid if we started mixing that all up we'd both gain weight in a hurry. (In fact, that's exactly how I got fat in the first place ...

Oh, and neither one of us eats anything with added sugar. That seems to be everyone's common dietary enemy.
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fat really IS that unhealthy when people eat a lot of carbs. from the research I have read, unless you keep your carbs under about 150 grams a day, saturated fat particularly does all the bad stuff they say it does. we have to be careful, especially, if we are women low carbing with husbands who are NOT, that they don't get both the carbs and the saturated fat and end up very badly for it.
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When I first started low carbing this time around I was doing low fat, low cal, low carb. Then I was so jealous of the food you guys were eating so I stocked up on fatty stuff. I'm so happy now and still losing weight.
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:14 PM   #20
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I think some of us really old folks never bought into the whole "fat is bad" thing anyway, having been raised on lots of fat, but very little junk.
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My mother-in-law had a mini stroke earlier this year. When we visited for Christmas, she'd put up a nutrition guide on the refrigerator ... with the good old food pyramid on it, telling her to eat 8-11 servings of bread, pasta, or potatoes per day.

I did mention to her that I'd been reading some things lately about how fat isn't bad for you, and she said that her regular doctor said the same thing ... BUT the stroke specialist said he's the expert in this area, and it was important to eat high-carb!

Most of the time I'd say "listen to the expert" - but this time, I just wish the experts would read more of the up-to-date science.
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I was one of the ones that sold into the cut the fat and lose weight. 70 pounds later, I've wised up. I no longer worry about fat as long as it is healthy fat. I do try to avoid things like hydrogenated oils, etc. and use the real thing instead (butter, EVCO, EVOO)
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My mother-in-law had a mini stroke earlier this year. When we visited for Christmas, she'd put up a nutrition guide on the refrigerator ... with the good old food pyramid on it, telling her to eat 8-11 servings of bread, pasta, or potatoes per day.
HOLY. 8-11 servings of bread, pasta and potatoes, PER DAY.
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I still feel like I'm "in the closet" with my fat consumption. I haven't even come out to my husband about it..... It is my dirty little secret that is keeping me energetic and in maintenance!
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I really do think it has to do with genetics. I see people who are thin and/or of average "healthy" weight scarf down HC foods all the time. Me, HC eating is a diaster. It means getting on an exercise bike and eliptical machine for 2-3 hrs a day to burn it off or I start packing on the pounds, then 8 months later having to go on, yet again, another diet to lose it all.

No thankyou. I'm done with all that. I'm sick of it and worrying about my weight keeps me from enjoying life. LC has changed all of that for me. After being on LC for a short period of time I honestly think that I was "born to eat fat" I feel great after eating a HF meal, and I have never felt that way ever before. In the past my HC meals either gave me horrible stomach cramps or left me starving an hour later, no matter how many calories I had consumed.

I think our society functions on rumours with respect to diet/exercise. I don't think fat was ever bad for us. Man made chemicals, are probably the real culprits to our poor health. And also, refining foods. The reason why the Paleo diet is so effective, because the food is eaten in its most natural form. Extracting fructose from its fibre was probably never a good idea, but we did it anyways.
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I really do think it has to do with genetics. I see people who are thin and/or of average "healthy" weight scarf down HC foods all the time.
I initially started on a low carb diet to lose some weight. Then I really delved into the science behind the WOE and realized that the health benefits were as important as, if not more than, the weight loss benefits.

Whenever I see someone of ANY size, shape or form eating HC I feel pity because I'm sure they are they thinking "I'm skinny, so I can eat this" or "I'll just exercise more to burn off these excess calories" when in reality they are doing so.much.damage to their bodies that are not visible to the eye. Genetics aside, I think that low carb is the *healthiest* WOE out there.
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fat really IS that unhealthy when people eat a lot of carbs. from the research I have read, unless you keep your carbs under about 150 grams a day, saturated fat particularly does all the bad stuff they say it does. we have to be careful, especially, if we are women low carbing with husbands who are NOT, that they don't get both the carbs and the saturated fat and end up very badly for it.
This is what really worries me

My other half does just fine on a regular carby diet - he's a man, and also quite lean by default, annoyingly. He started low-carbing with me and really enjoyed it, but he took it to the extreme and suffered quite bad keto-flu. This has put him off and he has returned to his normal diet in the day, and takes on mine in the evening.

I'm constantly reminding him to be careful how much fat he eats since he's eating carbs....
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fat really IS that unhealthy when people eat a lot of carbs. from the research I have read, unless you keep your carbs under about 150 grams a day, saturated fat particularly does all the bad stuff they say it does. we have to be careful, especially, if we are women low carbing with husbands who are NOT, that they don't get both the carbs and the saturated fat and end up very badly for it.
Why is it the fat that is bad in the high fat/high carb diet?

Why isn't it the carbs or the combination since it is the combination that causes bad things?
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