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netters272 06-09-2012 05:22 AM

Last rant ever
Took me two years to gain 40 pounds eating pizza and subs and tim hortons everything awful, and i cant believe i only gained 40

In two weeks i cant lose one pound...:mad:

Unsweetened almond milk and 1/4 cup raspberries... Cheese stick for snack...burger or eggs for lunch and wings or burger for dinner...
Ooo i did have coconut oil pudding couple days.

TWO WEEKS! And i even gave up cream cheese muffins..

What?????? Give up the almond milk...the pudding....HECK! Why eat.

I know there are others just like me... My life has stopped as all i can think about is my weight..my lifestyle...and to cut out every bit of bad and be rewarded with goose egg...

Im so lonesome i could cry...is my new life two eggs and side salad (its been suggested to count calories too....um..that leaves water and a piece of celery)

I swear i never want to eat again..my sat has started overwhelmed and so sad im just sitting in bed bawling


cfine 06-09-2012 05:31 AM

I am truly sorry that you are having such a hard time. I was just reading in the newest Atkkin's book and it has a section about your issue. It talks about all of the medications that can slow down or halt weight loss. You might want to check it out.

Also I have done Atkin's in the past, I'm finding this book to be most informative. Good luck and I hope you figure out what is causing the problem. Right off the top of my head, I know it listed NSAIDS and beta blockers and horomones replacements. There were others too, I just can't remember right now.

Another possibility is that you are not eating enough calories. Are you tracking them on an online tracker? That helped me to see how many calories I was eating. I just did it for a week or so just to get an idea. Are you getting enough fat?

3fatcats 06-09-2012 05:42 AM

I'd get rid of raspberries.

I didn't think I could give up my tortilla and peanutbutter, but when I did and I started to to lose weight, I liked that better! I will add them back in later but for now I'm enjoying losing weight. Yes, it sucks giving up everything you love and is keeping you sane, but it feels better to let go of it and lose the weight first. Theeeenn, it won't seem so bad! Sooo, suck it up buttercup! YOU CAN DO THIS. Losing weight feels waaaay better then the temporary reward of raspberries and almond milk.

Ocean 06-09-2012 06:40 AM

It is frustrating when you stall out. I have been stalled for months. However, sometimes the scale will start moving again on it's own. I don't count calories, but I am aware of them. The warm chocolate pudding alone has 460 calories. That is a lot of calories for such a small treat.

theredhead 06-09-2012 06:41 AM

Check out the JUDDD boards. There are a lot of us who got to where we thought we couldn't eat ANYTHING and lose weight. It turns out that it just might not be so. There are a lot of us that are doing extremely well with this very simple plan. Here's a good post with info:

princessmommy 06-09-2012 06:55 AM

I agree with losing the raspberries right now and the pudding. Sorry but I jut don't think they are "induction" foods. Read through the book again if you have before. There are a Lot of foods you can eat other then eggs and celery.

jhbyrd 06-09-2012 07:16 AM

Yes I talked to that scale yesterday morning!!!:annoyed:My weight loss has SLOWED and it does make me a little MAD!! But I go on how I feel too which is SO much better!! I keep telling myself that the weigh will go even if slowly but you feel so much better!! So lots of :hugs: to you!!

Now I do eat rasberries but not many usually only 6 at a time (a day)! I know everybody is different but I feel my body needs veggies and fruit (limited). I might could lose faster if I cut them out:dunno:.

I Hope you feel better!!!!:console:

clackley 06-09-2012 07:29 AM

But you have already lost 23lbs. and 2 weeks is not a stall. A stall is 6 weeks or more of no lbs. and no inches lost. After a couple of months new to this woe, I stalled for about 2 months. It didn't seem to matter what I did - nothing moved. And then, out of the blue, I started to lose again and made up for lost time. Don't worry - especially so soon.

Here is an article that really helps put things in perspective...


A biologist at Berkeley shared something very revealing on the low-carb BBS system about 4 years ago that helps us all through the erratic weight fluctuations you invariably encounter: Fat cells are resilient, stubborn little creatures that do not want to give up their actual cell volume. Over a period of weeks, maybe months of "proper dieting", each of your fat cells may have actually lost a good percentage of the actual fat contained in those cells. But the fat cells themselves, stubborn little guys, replace that lost fat with water to retain their size. That is, instead of shrinking to match the reduced amount of fat in the cell, they stay the same size! Result - you weigh the same, look the same, maybe even gained some scale weight, even though you have actually lost some serious fat.

The good news is that this water replacement is temporary. It's a defensive measure to keep your body from changing too rapidly. It allows the fat cell to counter the rapid change in cell composition, allowing for a slow, gradual reduction in cell size. The problem is, most people are frustrated with their apparent lack of success, assume they have lost nothing, and stop dieting.

However, if you give those fat cells some time, like 4-6 months, and ignore the scale weight fluctuations, your real weight/shape will slowly begin to show. The moral of the story - be patient! Your body is changing even if the number on the scale isn't.


Common patterns of weight loss from tracking a lot of people who become assimilated into the low carb lifestyle, a pattern emerges.... the 2 week induction is pretty heady...weight lost just about every single day, enormous and unbelievable amounts of weight loss are reported. This is often followed by complaints that weight loss "stalls" or that the rate drops to only 1 pound per week.

Many people just don't know that fat-loss ...the actual goal when on a weight-reduction" diet, is rate-limited. In other words, the human body has factors that prevent more than a certain amount of fatty-acid release from storage...and even more factors that prevent those released fatty acids from being used up instead of stored back into the fat cells.

A priority of the human body is survival. Anything that threatens its survival results in the cascade of events to maintain the previous status quo. Water fluctuations are one way the body does this. OK...so you done good on Atkins' during induction...lost 10 pounds the first 2 weeks. Maybe 7 the first week and 3 the second. But, whoa! Weeks 3 and 4 there is NO loss! And weeks 5 and 6 is only 1/2 pound each!

So... what gives? Initially, the body jettisons the water attached to the glycogen stores that we diligently deplete to get into ketosis...this accounts for about 3-5 pounds of water. In addition, muscle stores of glycogen are not being replaced when used...which will account for the rest. All in all...MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized during the first week... and MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized the 2nd week. Of that 10 initial pounds, only 1 pound was fat and 9 pounds water...

The body senses this lack and sirens start shrieking: Warning! Warning! Losing water... new thing...got to get back to the status quo! Brain tells body to produce and release that vasopressin anti-diuretic hormone....more water is retained, and no weight loss noticed. Fat loss is still occurring, MAYBE even 2 pounds per week, because ketosis is firmly established and appetite suppression is in effect...but water retention is hiding that continuing fat loss. The body is preventing dehydration with this mechanism, and that's a *good* thing.

From the perspective of the scale, it can be discouraging. Which is why the mantra: Water retention masks fat loss (repeated frequently to oneself) is helpful. Water retention will mask ongoing fat-loss for as long as the body retains the water. We can combat this by drinking more water...but we aren't going to totally overcome this mechanism during the initial water-loss phase of the Atkins diet. By weeks 5 and 6, things start to get back in balance, and the scale will begin to reflect the true fat-loss...which, as mentioned before is rate-limited.

Individuals vary, but max weight loss runs about 2 pounds per week...under extremely optimal conditions... or 1% of body weight (whichever is the lower number). So don't use the scale as an excuse to undermine your progress. Even when the scale is in a stall, fat loss can be occurring.


We've been told over an over again that daily weighing is unnecessary, yet many of us can't resist peeking at that number every morning. If you just can't bring yourself to toss the scale in the trash, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the factors that influence it's readings. From water retention to glycogen storage and changes in lean body mass, daily weight fluctuations are normal. They are not indicators of your success or failure. Once you understand how these mechanisms work, you can free yourself from the daily battle with the bathroom scale.

Water makes up about 60% of total body mass. Normal fluctuations in the body's water content can send scale-watchers into a tailspin if they don't understand what's happening. Two factors influencing water retention are water consumption and salt intake. Strange as it sounds, the less water you drink, the more of it your body retains. If you are even slightly dehydrated your body will hang onto it's water supplies with a vengeance, possibly causing the number on the scale to inch upward. The solution is to drink plenty of water.

Excess salt (sodium) can also play a big role in water retention. A single teaspoon of salt contains over 2,000 mg of sodium. Generally, we should only eat between 1,000 and 3,000 mg of sodium a day, so it's easy to go overboard. Sodium is a sneaky substance. You would expect it to be most highly concentrated in salty chips, nuts, and crackers. However, a food doesn't have to taste salty to be loaded with sodium. A half cup of instant pudding actually contains nearly four times as much sodium as an ounce of salted nuts, 460 mg in the pudding versus 123 mg in the nuts.

The more highly processed a food is, the more likely it is to have a high sodium content. That's why, when it comes to eating, it's wise to stick mainly to the basics: fruits, vegetables, lean meat, beans, and whole grains. Be sure to read the labels on canned foods, boxed mixes, and frozen dinners.

Women may also retain several pounds of water prior to menstruation. This is very common and the weight will likely disappear as quickly as it arrives. Pre-menstrual water-weight gain can be minimized by drinking plenty of water, maintaining an exercise program, and keeping high-sodium processed foods to a minimum.

Another factor that can influence the scale is glycogen. Think of glycogen as a fuel tank full of stored carbohydrate. Some glycogen is stored in the liver and some is stored the muscles themselves. This energy reserve weighs more than a pound and it's packaged with 3-4 pounds of water when it's stored. Your glycogen supply will shrink during the day if you fail to take in enough carbohydrates.

As the glycogen supply shrinks you will experience a small imperceptible increase in appetite and your body will restore this fuel reserve along with it's associated water. It's normal to experience glycogen and water weight shifts of up to 2 pounds per day even with no changes in your calorie intake or activity level. These fluctuations have nothing to do with fat loss, although they can make for some unnecessarily dramatic weigh-ins if you're prone to obsessing over the number on the scale.

Otherwise rational people also tend to forget about the actual weight of the food they eat. For this reason, it's wise to weigh yourself first thing in the morning before you've had anything to eat or drink. Swallowing a bunch of food before you step on the scale is no different than putting a bunch of rocks in your pocket. The 5 pounds that you gain right after a huge dinner is not fat. It's the actual weight of everything you've had to eat and drink. The added weight of the meal will be gone several hours later when you've finished digesting it.

Exercise physiologists tell us that in order to store one pound of fat, you need to eat 3,500 calories more than your body is able to burn. In other words, to actually store the above dinner as 5 pounds of fat, it would have to contain a whopping 17,500 calories. This is not likely, in fact it's not humanly possible. So when the scale goes up 3 or 4 pounds overnight, rest easy, it's likely to be water, glycogen, and the weight of your dinner. Keep in mind that the 3,500 calorie rule works in reverse also. In order to lose one pound of fat you need to burn 3,500 calories more than you take in.

Generally, it's only possible to lose 1-2 pounds of fat per week. When you follow a very low calorie diet that causes your weight to drop 10 pounds in 7 days, it's physically impossible for all of that to be fat. What you're really losing is water, glycogen, and muscle.

This brings us to the scale's sneakiest attribute. It doesn't just weigh fat. It weighs muscle, bone, water, internal organs and all. When you lose "weight," that doesn't necessarily mean that you've lost fat. In fact, the scale has no way of telling you what you've lost (or gained). Losing muscle is nothing to celebrate. Muscle is a metabolically active tissue. The more muscle you have the more calories your body burns, even when you're just sitting around. That's one reason why a fit, active person is able to eat considerably more food than the dieter who is unwittingly destroying muscle tissue.

Robin Landis, author of "Body Fueling," compares fat and muscles to feathers and gold. One pound of fat is like a big fluffy, lumpy bunch of feathers, and one pound of muscle is small and valuable like a piece of gold. Obviously, you want to lose the dumpy, bulky feathers and keep the sleek beautiful gold. The problem with the scale is that it doesn't differentiate between the two. It can't tell you how much of your total body weight is lean tissue and how much is fat.

There are several other measuring techniques that can accomplish this, although they vary in convenience, accuracy, and cost. Skin-fold calipers pinch and measure fat folds at various locations on the body, hydrostatic (or underwater) weighing involves exhaling all of the air from your lungs before being lowered into a tank of water, and bio-electrical impedance measures the degree to which your body fat impedes a mild electrical current.

If the thought of being pinched, dunked, or gently zapped just doesn't appeal to you, don't worry. The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, don't be discouraged by a small gain on the scale. Fluctuations are perfectly normal. Expect them to happen and take them in stride.

It's a matter of mind over scale.

HappyHappyJoyJoy 06-09-2012 07:32 AM

First of all, HUGS!! So frustrating!!:hugs::hugs::hugs:

I also wonder if you are having enough calories. I have noticed that when I eat more calories I lose. I also lose better if the amount of calories each day is inconsistent. Not quite JUDD but maybe one day is 1035 and the next is 1525 and then 1870 and then 1130, etc. Just mixing it up a bit.

Also, you may want to play around with when you eat your food. I also see better losses if I eat most of the food at the beginning of the day and am done at 5 pm. I know that's hard if you've got others to make dinner for, etc. but even doing that one-two times a week could help.

I'm a big fan of the chocolate pudding but I eat it as breakfast or a whole meal and never a snack.

Have you considered cutting out one thing and seeing what happens? I'd try the almond milk first. Also, add in MORE veggies. Sometimes more veggies, even if you are higher than the 20g of carbs a day, helps.

Good luck!!:):):)

HappyHappyJoyJoy 06-09-2012 07:43 AM

Clackley - thanks for that excellent post! I am copying and pasting it to read over and over!!:):):)

catne 06-09-2012 08:26 AM

Go ahead and rant more if you want...that's one of the purposes of this kind of forum. It's good to share , because many of us have had similar issues & understand.

And please go see your doctor. Get your thyroid tested...as well as female hormones, etc. You are at an age when many women start feeling the affects of premenopause (some are actually headed into menopause) And seriously, if your hormonal systems are going haywire, it not only affects your ability to lose weight, but wreaks havoc on your moods and feelings of well-being. I wish someone had suggested this to me when I was in my mid-forties...I suffered through several really rotten years of depression, sleeplessness and weight gain before finally seeing an article in a magazine that sent me to my doctor - I never thought what I was going through had anything to do with menopause, because I was still menstruating, so I thought it was "just me". But those hormone tests showed that I was definitely in the midst of the metabolic changeover. A couple of years of HRT stopped most of my symptoms, and allowed me to sleep again, as well as vast improvement in moods, and way less mood swings. I was able to concentrate on what I needed to get done

It's very hard to continue doing any endeavor if you're feeling so far down. And it very well could be that all you need to feel better is a small, relatively inexpensive med. :shake:

Vilya 06-09-2012 08:32 AM

Jenny Ruhl's new book, "Diet 101" is not only excellent, but has a lot of great info about this very topic (stalls and slow weight loss). :)

ElizabethLC 06-09-2012 12:00 PM

Hugs to you.. stalls are the worst.

Don't give up... keep trying things. You can and will figure it out.

MargeGunderson 06-09-2012 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by HappyHappyJoyJoy (Post 15713133)
I also wonder if you are having enough calories. I have noticed that when I eat more calories I lose. I also lose better if the amount of calories each day is inconsistent. Not quite JUDD but maybe one day is 1035 and the next is 1525 and then 1870 and then 1130, etc. Just mixing it up a bit.

My first thought exactly reading this food plan! Not enough calories and maybe not enough fat.

Excellent post, clackley!! I won't copy/quote it here because I don't want to tie up the forum space but this one hit it out of the park and I also copy-pasted it to keep and read over and over.

:hugs::hugs::hugs: netters, you will fight your way through the frustrating stalls and setbacks! While all of the above advice from other posters makes perfect sense, at some point you may want to consider a medical evaluation if it's financially feasible for you. So many factors can influence this and it's so hard to isolate what is doing what, especially with so much going on.

And yes, ranting and listening is a big part of what we are all here for, so rant away! Feel free to PM me anytime also if you don't want to rant publicly. :hugs::console::)

svenskamae 06-09-2012 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by clackley (Post 15713128)
Here is an article that really helps put things in perspective...


:goodpost: Thank you for posting that! I think I will print it out and reread it when I am feeling frustrated by an apparent lack of progress.

netters272 06-09-2012 08:25 PM

Thanks all
I have had my tyroid checked as well as menopause evaluation..both neg.

Its so difficult trying to "figure" out what the right combo is.. More fat..less..more calories... It gives me sweats to even try to eat more calories because i dont count them.. That would push my obsession over the edge.. I think about weight too much as it is..

Ahhhhhhh calgon take me away..

Im thrilled at my loss and i feel incredible..so if i didnt lose another pound that will just have to do..

I think i will hold back on bread and pudding...leave that until my goal is met and i can play with a few pounds..

I really thank you all for suggestions but mostly just letting me have my pity party and being okay with that...

I will pay that forward

netters272 06-09-2012 08:33 PM

More fat
If i want to add more fat.. Whats a good way... I thought the coconut oil .. It has made my skin fabulous and even though no scale loss..i think i am losing inches...or centimeters grin (ive never measured and i should have when i started)


MargeGunderson 06-09-2012 09:53 PM

LG, I love spoonfuls of my organic EVCO! :yummy::clap::yummy: Other than frying in it, which I've done little of since I now finally can use my barbecue again, I consume mine entirely by spoonfuls with each meal, and a slightly larger one when I do something like the blackberries I had earlier this afternoon.

My food scale needs batteries, but usually I'll actually measure an exactly half-ounce glob to make sure I don't go over since it does pack on the calories. I think I'm getting CO creep with my spoonfuls in the month it's been; really need to pick up those batteries soon but they're like $15 and I keep having extra bills come up each month.

netters272 06-10-2012 06:11 AM

Heavy cream.. I put half and half or hwc in my almond milk smoothie...like half cup or a bit less to 8 oz...Maybe more hwc less almond milk...

But maybe its the milk..

So i think i will go back to cream cheese muffins and butter on vegs or eggs and ditch the almond milk for two weeks....

I think i need to up that fat..then maybe add ONE thing back and see..

Fat bombs..been meaning to make These but almond butter was so expensive but now that gina made her own with mac oil..i just might

I think i keep forgetting this is high fat..not high protein woe


netters272 06-10-2012 06:15 AM

O marge
Kudos to be able to eat by spoon..i think adding the oil has had a dramatic effect..my skin has changed and i do believe i look more toned..

I love coconut but have yet to be able to enjoy by the spoon...


LiterateGriffin 06-10-2012 09:23 AM

The high-fat thing is a bit counter-intuitive, stacked against what we've been told pretty much all our lives.

If I went on Facebook and posted, "Was having trouble with my diet, so decided to be good by making cheesecake", I wouldn't get a bunch of congratulations. I'd get laughter because no one would think I meant it.

You don't eat CREAM CHEESE to lose weight.... do you? (Why yes, I do, and it works wonderfully!) Just like you "can't" lose weight while eating bacon... or butter... or... quick, someone name a really rich LC food! :P

I just lost my source for fresh-ground peanut-butter, so if I can get my hands on some peanuts (why hello, Tader Joe's!) I'm going to try grinding my own. Going to try the food-processor first, by MAY resort to buying a counter-top gizmo for it. (Found one for $29, online.) I'm sure almond butter could be made the same way, since the machines for each were side-by-side where I used to get peanutbutter. I'm lucky -- almonds COME from Chico, so they're not priced too badly here. :)

My coconut oil was really hard and waxy, the time I brought a spoonful to my lips. I think if it were a bit softer, I would have downed it. But OMG, I love it in my food! :D

melisa82 06-10-2012 11:32 AM

I agree check out the JUDDD boards! I'm doing JUDDD low-carb, but you can do it however you'd like.

daisyHair 06-10-2012 03:22 PM

I just wanted to give you a cyber hug sweetie.

clackley posted exactly what I was going to... you just need to let your body have it's little bit of time finding it's equilibrium. I personally (and this is just me, please) would not tweek anything just yet. Just keep on doing what you are doing.

I can stall for 4-5 weeks at a time and then drop 6-7 pounds.

Whatever you choose.. be kind to yourself.

LoyalEric 06-10-2012 04:31 PM

maybe we just get hypnotized to NOT think about, plan having, discussing FOOD.
all this food obsession. and weight obsession too. i dont know if thats possible or
would do any good but what do you think.

netters272 06-10-2012 07:50 PM

High fat
Literate...I SO get you

Daisy..thank you for your support...

Clack..i cant tell you how much that article helped

I feel so much better from all of you...

My plan is to up my fat...i made the cream cheese muffins.. Its what i ate earlier on and i have lost 13 with them...

I need to give time..poo poo the scale and measure.. I know i can see it more than the scale...

I ate the coconut oil pudding tonight..i think that is also a winner...

Still hard to think fat has helped me lose weight..brought my blood pressure from 160/100 to 124/72...and made me feel better in such a short time

GratefulParrot 06-11-2012 07:00 AM

rub some dirt on it and keep moving. I know that kind of sounds lame, but my years at an athlete, has taught me to keep moving. Stalls suck, but I keep reminding myself, I've gotten this far..the goal is not that far away.

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