|05-01-2012, 01:00 PM||#31|
Way too much time on my hands!
Join Date: May 2001
Location: La Plata, MD
WOE: lowish carb, lowish calorie, lowish fat.
Start Date: 11/25/08
|05-07-2012, 07:03 AM||#33|
Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Nov 2009
WOE: Almost Stillmans (some steamed veg)
Start Date: Every Single Day
Marking my spot in this thread.
Very low carb is hard for me but it completely heals my chronic back pain and finger joint pain. I've been eating paleo since losing steam on Atkins but I'm gaining weight from too much fruit/nuts/paleo baking and the pain is returning.
Going to do meat, egg, grassfed butter all this week before adding back a few leafy greens this weekend.
In about three days I'll be able to stand up straight without wincing.
When I keep my carbs less than 20 I am pain free so I need to get back to it for that reason and hope some weight loss will happen along the way.
|05-07-2012, 07:37 AM||#34|
Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Jan 2009
Start Date: 1/5/09--- Restart date 8/1/11
I've done both the meat and egg fast and the fat fast with good results... especially the fat fast.
I'm just getting started again, so I'll be starting out with the meat/egg for awhile!
|05-21-2012, 12:20 PM||#35|
Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Apr 2010
Gallery: Auntie Em
WOE: VLC-Ancestral, restricted calorie
Start Date: Maintenance since 2000
Thought you all might like this bit from Dr. Mackarness' book, Eat Fat and Grow Slim, chapter 3. It is in his summary of a section of the report which Drs. McClellan and Dubois wrote after the famous Bellevue trial:
He derived, by choice, about 80% of his energy needs from fat and 20% from protein. These proportions are close to those derived by a person from his own tissues during prolonged fasting. The instinctive choice of about 80 % of the calories from fat seems to be based on selection by the metabolic processes of the body. It was found that with carbohydrate restricted in the diet, the appetite for fat greatly increased. The body adapted itself to a greater use of fat for energy when this substance was supplied in increased amounts.
I put the sentence regarding the proportions of protein at ca. 20% and fat at 80% in bold type.
These ratios are similar to what Dr. Jan Kwasnieski recommends in his Optimal Diet, and Barry Groves' recommendations.
Both Dr. Richard Mackarness, and Dr. Blake Donaldson before him, discuss these ratios in their books. Some anthropological history on those ratios is given in The Fat of the Land, by Vilhjalmur Stefansson.
I find it easy to stay around the 80 FAT and 20 PRO proportions by eating about twice as many fat grams as protein grams. Here is an example of how I calculate:
2 eggs: 12gPRO and 12gFAT
2 slices beef bacon: 6gPRO and 12gFAT
Total: 16gPRO and 24gFAT, not quite enough FAT, so I use 1 - 2 tsps of beef fat in my tea. One tsp. of beef fat gives ca. 4.3g FAT.
At 1 tsp. of hh in a cup of tea.
Reckoning one ounce of hh as: 1gPRO, 3gFAT, and 1.1gCHO. (If I don't use the rest of the hh in my tea, I use it later in the day for something.)
That puts my morning tea and breakfast at 19g/PRO and 31.3 - 35.6/FAT.
I like that in the morning.
Lunch and supper, I add less fat, so that a day ends up with these numbers in this range:
50-60gPRO: 80-110gFAT: ca. 20-25gCHO
I use herbs and count the CHO in those, also in supplements. I reckon 1 g/CHO per egg or egg yolk, and also count the carb grams in liver and brains. I currently use hh to make yoghurt, rather than hwc, so 1/2 cup hh yoghurt runs: 4gPRO: 12gFAT: 4.4gCHO.
Hope I've posted this all correctly and that it is of help to someone.
Ever since I read of Mr. Stefansson's diet, and his wife's, and then read the books by Dr. Mackarness, Dr. Donaldson, and papers by Dr. Pennington, and Dr. John Yudkin, then Barry Groves, and Dr. Jan Kwasniewski, eating a LCMPHF diet just made more and more sense, with meat, meat fat and eggs being its basis. (For me, fish is in the meat category. And Dr. Michael Eades says that eggs are fetal meat.)
Some may do M/E in a much higher protein, lower fat version, and have great success. I'm one who likes the LCMPHF.
Best wishes to the M/E folks.
Maintainers Over 55
Best wishes for happy, healthy LCing.
Last edited by Auntie Em; 05-21-2012 at 12:22 PM.. Reason: clarification