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Old 11-22-2011, 05:26 AM   #1
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VLC during day, carbs at night?

The facts: I find that when I eat VLC (what I interpret to be only meat and eggs) I need very very little food. Like, 1 boiled egg could be a meal for me. However, I am a very passionate cook and also newly married to a fellow "foodie", and the highlight of our day together is to cook my husband a beautiful meal every evening and to enjoy that together with a good glass of wine. I don't want to give that up and I choose not to. But, obviously, if affects my weight... negatively! I'm one of those people who, if I start my day with cereal or toast, I'll be scoffing carbs all day long. But if I start my day with a small portion of meat or eggs, I can happily pretty much ignore food all day until supper time.

The hypothesis: Working from the premise that, if I only ate carbs during dinner at night (I'm not a late night snacker), my body will have between 8 and 10 hours to deal with those carbs and I pretty much wake up close to ketosis again, without cravings. I've never had the experience that a carb meal the night before lead to carb cravings the next day, only the same day, in the following 2 to 5 hours. I'd like to continue eating "normal" with my husband in the evenings. But I'd also like to lose some weight. So I'm thinking that it might work for me to eat very small amounts of VLC food during the day (let's say to a maximum of 300 calories), and then have a nice, satisfying, social "normal" meal and wine with my husband in the evening? That way my overall calorie consumption for the day stays pretty low, but I still get to enjoy our honeymoon phase. (We've only been married for 5 months).

Does anyone else do this? And to what effect?
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Old 11-22-2011, 05:32 AM   #2
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I don't, but it is a similar system as is used in "The Carbohydrate Addict" diet. I read the book several years ago, so I don't remember exactly, but I believe the only caveat is that the "reward meal be limited to a 1 hr time frame.
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Old 11-22-2011, 05:57 AM   #3
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I keep my carbs under 30 for the day, but most of those carbs come from my dinner. My breakfast is generally a 2 carb Atkins shake. Lunch is basically a snack of about 2-3 carbs. My dinner is usually 15-25 carbs.
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Old 11-22-2011, 06:21 AM   #4
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The only way to know is to try it. It sounds as if you would be effectively cutting your overall carb count. I need to point out however, that low carb eating is not just about weight control - it is about life long healthy eating.

There are a vast amount of truly delicious low carb recipes that are fabulous.
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Old 11-22-2011, 06:38 AM   #5
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I don't, but it is a similar system as is used in "The Carbohydrate Addict" diet. I read the book several years ago, so I don't remember exactly, but I believe the only caveat is that the "reward meal be limited to a 1 hr time frame.
I think it was the same book that said to "eat toward the carbs" meaning to begin each meal with no-carb foods and eat higher carb foods at the end of the meal. They went on to say that higher carbs included high carb veggies - not a sugary dessert.

I did that for a while, maybe a couple of weeks. It didn't work for me, but I have carb craving for several days and I do love my late night snacks.


Changeling - I say try it & let us know how it goes.
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Old 11-22-2011, 07:53 AM   #6
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I tried this process because I wanted to eat dinner with my family. I happen to love my cooking and didn't want to miss my meals! But, didn't work really well for me. Actually this is how I started, then just gradually went into complete LC and didn't even mind watching my family eat the meals, didn't miss it at all and actually found new favorites.
Now, I have found JUDDD and feel like I get the best of both worlds!! On my UD I eat LC until dinner and have whatever I want every other day. DD's are refreshing in a way. Knowing that tomorrow there are no "rules" or counting to follow.

But, like someone else said, you never know until you try it. So important to find what works for you and your lifestyle so that you can both lose weight and enjoy life without feeling deprived. We all have things we really enjoy and without them life would feel like something important is missing! Find what works for you, there are so many variations of weightloss on these boards!!
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:31 AM   #7
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If it works for you, go for it.

However, you may find you can't stay in ketosis to burn fat that way. If that's the case, you may simply have to get creative with that dinner you share with your husband so you can continue to enjoy it together.

My DH is the cook in the family and a great one at that. Lately we've simply se-emphasized carbs in the menu, but we are still eating great. Pasta and other starches are served on the side if we have them and I choose not to eat them. The other night he made his famous beef stroganoff--yum! I had mine over some mashed cauliflower while everyone else had noodles (mine was tastier!!!).

We have wine every night (DH is a winemaker). I have a cold water jug on the table so once I've enjoyed a glass of wine with the food I have cold water to satisfy my thirst.

I do not feel deprived.

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Old 11-22-2011, 04:45 PM   #8
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How many carbs are you considering for dinner? Are we talking bread and potatoes and pasta? I think that would play a part in it.
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Old 11-22-2011, 06:11 PM   #9
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It's been working for me. I kind of stumbled into it,after binge eating late last Thursday night I woke up feeling stuffed and didn't eat until about 1pm Friday. I had some protein and a piece of cheese and then a dinner with protein and carbs. I ate what felt like too many carbs but woke up a pound down on Saturday and have continued the same eating since and have dropped almost one pound each morning. Personally, I think it is probably working because I am eating low-ish calories overall, but am not counting so I don't know for sure. I am sleeping better than when I am in ketosis and I don't feel bingey which is great, the down side is my face is breaking out from the carbs.

I wish there was a happy medium for me because like Clackely mentioned I know lc is a healthier way to eat but I can't seem to stick to it.

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Old 11-22-2011, 06:26 PM   #10
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Check out the warrior diet. I'm doing it and really like it because I don't have to think much during the day. During the day I have a homemade protein shake, raw veggies,i just do zucchini, and I have a v8 if I need it, with a shop of protein. And then youeat a big dinner. The premise is that having only whey and veggies is detoxing and basically like fasting. I eat between 5 and 8. I do carbs some but I'm so used to eating low carb that I basically eat lower carb. You should check it out.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:26 PM   #11
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It's been working for me. I kind of stumbled into it,after binge eating late last Thursday night I woke up feeling stuffed and didn't eat until about 1pm Friday. I had some protein and a piece of cheese and then a dinner with protein and carbs. I ate what felt like too many carbs but woke up a pound down on Saturday and have continued the same eating since and have dropped almost one pound each morning. Personally, I think it is probably working because I am eating low-ish calories overall, but am not counting so I don't know for sure. I am sleeping better than when I am in ketosis and I don't feel bingey which is great, the down side is my face is breaking out from the carbs.

I wish there was a happy medium for me because like Clackely mentioned I know lc is a healthier way to eat but I can't seem to stick to it.
I'm with you! I also know from experience that I do lose weight when I eat lc, but I keep cheating and failing and starting over (for about 2 years now!) and I can't carry on like this. I need to find something now that works for ME.

I struggle with binge eating too, and I find that I do my secret binges during the day when my husband is not around. Pretty much every day And then I have a normal-sized nice meal with him in the evening. As you can imagine, my weight has just ballooned over the past 2 years. I've regained everying I lost on Atkins 3 years ago, and I just can't/don't stick to Atkins anymore!!!

So if think that if I limit myself to 300 calories of VLC food during the day (which, strangely, I don't find hard to do), then I'll get the benefit of lowering my overall calories for the day (like you said), plus I'll eliminate my binges during the day, plus I'll still be able to enjoy dinner with my husband.

So shall we do this then and see how it goes? I'll stay in touch with feedback and I hope you'll do the same!
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Old 11-23-2011, 05:39 AM   #12
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Have you read any of the intermittent fasting threads? I'm not an expert but I tried if for a couple of days and it worked out great. Look up Fast 5 or intermittent fasting. The basic premise was that you eat within a specific 5 or 6 hour window each day. I had coffee in the morning, lunch around 2pm, dinner at 7pm. I did keep everything low carb but from what I've read on intermittent fasting, it's not necessary.
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