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QueenBacon 09-10-2011 06:31 AM

Leptin reset?
 
I have googled and read somethings about this.. has anyone read anything can fill me in what its for, what it is, and if it works?

AR-photog 09-10-2011 07:05 AM

I don't know much about it, but I've been reading up on it too. Jack Kruse's website seems to have a lot of info.

QueenBacon 09-10-2011 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AR-photog (Post 14990949)
I don't know much about it, but I've been reading up on it too. Jack Kruse's website seems to have a lot of info.

thats where I was looking.. I guess I should read more lol

ravenrose 09-10-2011 07:35 AM

my endocrinologist, who is on the clinical faculty of the University of California San Francisco Medical School and keeps up with all the research, says there is really no way to do this, short of the outside chance that the clinical trials of drugs under development by some companies might work at some point in the future.

I am pretty sure people don't have a solid basis for the theories going around about this.

Leo41 09-10-2011 07:36 AM

Yes, Jack Kruse is the proponent of this, and you should be able to get the info from his website.

Also, there's a big thread on this on Mark's Daily Apple with a lot of people doing it and reporting on their progress.

QueenBacon 09-10-2011 07:40 AM

wow 50g protein for breakfast seems like alot with in 30 minutes of waking.

clackley 09-10-2011 08:06 AM

Interesting...

QueenBacon 09-10-2011 08:09 AM

Where is fawn to comment lol

maylane 09-10-2011 10:52 AM

Hi, I am in process of reading "Mastering Leptin" by Byron J. Richards
I tried the 50gm protein, and could not handle it. But everything else I am following. We will see......

Meek75 09-10-2011 10:58 AM

yes, where is fawn to comment???

buttoni 09-10-2011 12:01 PM

I've been doing it by Jack Kruse guidelines, but I'm not doing the pure Paleo he recommends. Still have occasionally dairy. I have a lot of trouble getting in 50g protein in the morning, usually only manage 30-35. But for sure I don't snack between meals or after dinner anymore. Never been a snacker really, except late at night, say 10pm. I not only don't have a desire to snack anymore, but have less appetite during my meals. Have trouble eating more than 3-4 oz. meat at a sitting anymore. Not particularly desirous of lunch or breakfast, but make myself eat at regular mealtimes.

I'm doing the sleep recommendations he makes and that seems to be having very positive results for me. I blacken the room windows, take my two melatonin and I sleep like a baby for 8 hours. Couldn't do that before to save my live, even after BHRT implants started in March. Don't wake up anymore at 3-4am to pee either. The melatonin helps on bladder control during the night as well. Don't recall where I read that recently, but I think it is true. :)

I think Jack has some very interesting points if you take the time (and it takes a lot of time) to read his website thoroughly.

shelec 09-10-2011 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by maylane (Post 14991504)
Hi, I am in process of reading "Mastering Leptin" by Byron J. Richards
I tried the 50gm protein, and could not handle it. But everything else I am following. We will see......


I read this book too. Some of it made sense, some didn't. I don't feel like I got enough direction on what to do. He also made some negative comments about Atkins.

sweet irony 09-10-2011 07:04 PM

I'm not doing every single thing that Kruse recommends but I changed lots of my habits with a mind toward becoming more leptin sensitive and it seems to be working. I can easily get uncomfortably full now and before LC that was a VERY rare thing. My hunger signals aren't quite normal yet, but they're much improved over this time last year.

fawn 09-10-2011 08:56 PM

My best reference is Byron as well. His company name is wellness resources. I believe he did a great deal of research.

piratejenny 09-10-2011 10:12 PM

I'm doing the 50g protein for breakfast and it's changing my eating/snacking habits DRASTICALLY! I'm not hungry for lunch and I don't feel like snacking or eating sweets. I have all these bags of almonds, walnuts, pecans, pork rinds, SF chocolate etc that I used to snack on and they're just sitting around; I've hardly touched them in weeks...

One benefit is that the 50g protein breakfast gets rid of my Metformin side effects, within the first day; forcing myself to eat early is worth it just for that!!! Another is that if I go off-plan, the breakfast gets me back on plan that same day, with minimal cravings.

I've read through Kruse's threads and he can be vague & snarky. I think most people are just kind of winging it because the guidelines aren't very detailed and a lot of times he really doesn't answer questions in a helpful manner. The thread at Mark's Daily Apple might be more informative & friendly.

I'm not really doing Paleo but have found it's easier if I just eat unprocessed meat, rather than eggs or bacon etc (too much bulk & salt)...hamburger, pork chops, chicken or tuna salad. Today I ate 4 Italian sausage links (12g protein each). I also take liver pills or gelatin to "bridge the gap" when my breakfast is around 30-40g.

One approach I'm sort of working on is that both insulin and leptin resistance are caused by "tough" cell membranes--which are formed when there is a lack of healthy fats & an excess of Omega-6 fats.

Omega-3s, cinnamon, MSM, and magnesium are purported to improve cell elasticity & permeability.

clackley 09-11-2011 06:26 AM

Jenny, how long have you been doing the leptin reset? I am very curious and may try this soon. I am about to go off on holiday so now is not the time (just staying on plan is what I will concentrate on) but when I return, I really want to give this a go. I like your theory of 'tough cell membranes'.

QueenBacon 09-11-2011 07:23 AM

found this

Quote:

The basics:
- Eat at least 50 grams of protein breakfast within 30 minutes of waking
- Allow 4-5 hours between meals
- Eat 3 meals a day, paleo or primal diet
- Keep carbs at 50 or below (25 if obese)
- No snacking - black coffee or tea OK but no cream, no calories
- Allow at least 3-4 hours between dinner and bedtime
- No aerobic exercise or weight lifting until LS (leptin sensitivity) is re-established, walking is OK

piratejenny 09-11-2011 09:34 AM

Clackley--
I "started" on Aug 17th but have been WAY off plan since Irene (power was out for 5 days & so many roads were flooded and grocery stores were closed, it made shopping and cooking very difficult; then I had a 4-day vegan cooking gig at a festival & no time or refrigeration for my food), until a couple of days ago.

I just re-started and I've dropped 3lbs in 2 days! The two pounds I re-gained during the storm/festival, plus one! Of course it could be due to something else entirely, but I'm relieved :up:

Have a great holiday!!!

jeaniem 09-11-2011 10:24 AM

This all sounds interesting, but giving up coffee is making me hesitant.:D

piratejenny 09-11-2011 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeaniem (Post 14993560)
This all sounds interesting, but giving up coffee is making me hesitant.:D

I don't think you have to give up coffee entirely, just don't have it with cream between meals (then it counts as a snack). You can have it with meals or black (no-cal sweeteners) between meals.

ETA:
Also, if coffee is forbidden, that doesn't mean you can't do the rest of it! Doing 80% is better than doing nothing! :)

jeaniem 09-11-2011 12:02 PM

Thanks for the input Jenny. I may try this as I know how good I feel eating higher protein in general. How many carbs do you eat?

QueenBacon 09-11-2011 12:20 PM

If trying to lose weight I think under 30 carbs

piratejenny 09-11-2011 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeaniem (Post 14993803)
How many carbs do you eat?

Umm...I don't really count! :blush:
I did enter everything into ****** for a couple of months,
but I was more concerned with % of macros at the time.
I would guesstimate under 50 most of the time and around 30 at my strictest.

jeaniem 09-11-2011 07:13 PM

You can walk but not lift weights :down: I think I am going to loosely try this very high protein breakfast and see how it works?

fawn 09-11-2011 07:16 PM

The most important part of the leptin reset is no snacking.

jeaniem 09-13-2011 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piratejenny (Post 14992662)
I'm doing the 50g protein for breakfast and it's changing my eating/snacking habits DRASTICALLY! I'm not hungry for lunch and I don't feel like snacking or eating sweets. I have all these bags of almonds, walnuts, pecans, pork rinds, SF chocolate etc that I used to snack on and they're just sitting around; I've hardly touched them in weeks...

One benefit is that the 50g protein breakfast gets rid of my Metformin side effects, within the first day; forcing myself to eat early is worth it just for that!!! Another is that if I go off-plan, the breakfast gets me back on plan that same day, with minimal cravings.

I've read through Kruse's threads and he can be vague & snarky. I think most people are just kind of winging it because the guidelines aren't very detailed and a lot of times he really doesn't answer questions in a helpful manner. The thread at Mark's Daily Apple might be more informative & friendly.

I'm not really doing Paleo but have found it's easier if I just eat unprocessed meat, rather than eggs or bacon etc (too much bulk & salt)...hamburger, pork chops, chicken or tuna salad. Today I ate 4 Italian sausage links (12g protein each). I also take liver pills or gelatin to "bridge the gap" when my breakfast is around 30-40g.

One approach I'm sort of working on is that both insulin and leptin resistance are caused by "tough" cell membranes--which are formed when there is a lack of healthy fats & an excess of Omega-6 fats.

Omega-3s, cinnamon, MSM, and magnesium are purported to improve cell elasticity & permeability.


Jenny
I think I just want to burst with happiness! Two days now I have done the 50 gram-ish breakfast and have not needed a snack or lunch. I have dinner ,then workout and feel good. No carb cravings at all! I have also been taking my cod liver oil, D3 and a good multi. :)

QueenBacon 09-13-2011 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeaniem (Post 15000839)
Jenny
I think I just want to burst with happiness! Two days now I have done the 50 gram-ish breakfast and have not needed a snack or lunch. I have dinner and workout and feel good. No carb cravings at all! I have also been taking my cod liver oil, D3 and a good multi. :)

:up:

piratejenny 09-13-2011 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeaniem (Post 15000839)
Jenny
I think I just want to burst with happiness! Two days now I have done the 50 gram-ish breakfast and have not needed a snack or lunch. I have dinner then,workout and feel good. No carb cravings at all! I have also been taking my cod liver oil, D3 and a good multi. :)

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY!!! :high5:

jeaniem 09-13-2011 07:42 PM

Thanks Ladies. Jenny, I found like you that the unprocessed meats/foods work best. Before, I was drinking protein shakes or eating eggs w/bacon or sausage and was always hungry well before lunch. Honestly, I am not really hungry at dinner either but I feel a little grouchy and irritable so I eat. I was at goal last year at this time and suddenly my appetite just went crazy and I could not stop eating and gained 15 pounds back. I can see this working so much better! Are you back at it yet?

piratejenny 09-13-2011 10:45 PM

Yes, have been back at it since Saturday :)


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