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Old 07-02-2011, 04:59 PM   #1
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Epsom salt + insulin sensitivity

I've heard there are hundreds of reasons to make sure you are getting sufficient magnesium, but I don't know if I realized/remembered that insulin sensitivity is one of them!

I caught something out of the corner of my eye last night when I was looking up something else...just checked it out. When I typed "Epsom Salt" into Google, insulin was suggested; so maybe it is a common search/common knowledge.

Anyway, soaking in Epsom salt is a cheap, supposedly effective, and also non-tummy-upsetting method of getting more magnesium.

High insulin levels can cause cramping; so if magnesium helps you use your insulin more efficiently, that should lower the levels, right?

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Old 07-02-2011, 06:50 PM   #2
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It's not the best delivery but certainly a nice one. In order to avoid the diarrhea associated with magnesium intake, you want to choose malate or glycinate. And you are absolutely correct, insulin resistance and magnesium deficiency go hand in hand.


Magnesium is needed for more than 300 biochemical reactions in the body. It helps maintain normal muscle and nerve function, keeps heart rhythm steady, supports a healthy immune system, and keeps bones strong. Magnesium also helps regulate blood sugar levels, promotes normal blood pressure, and is known to be involved in energy metabolism and protein synthesis
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Thanks, Fawn!

I have been taking Peter Gilham's Natural Calm off & on for years, but have started Metformin recently & the 2 together are a hazard!

I used to have some magnesium malate around here, but I can't find it...may be time to get some more! If I recall correctly, it can be helpful in preventing kidney stones and/or gallstones, because of the malic acid?
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yep! This is why I recommend ACV too. High in malic acid
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Oh, cool!

I always wondered why ACV was more magical than white vinegar.
For decades I've been familiar with the live vinegar (hippie parents, lol)
so I thought it had something to do with the enzymes;
but then I've known many people to experience great health benefits using cheap pasteurized ACV...it must be that magic--I mean, malic acid!

There may be something to that old "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" saying, after all!
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I have been taking Peter Gilham's Natural Calm off & on for years, but have started Metformin recently & the 2 together are a hazard!
Could you clarify this for me? I've not heard this and I take Metformin.

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Well, I was trying to avoid TMI

magnesium=poopies
Metformin=poopies

magnesium + Metformin=emergency super poopies!!!
or, soopie poopies, even!


ETA: Oh, I realize now that sounds like I could have meant they are contraindicated. Sorry about that.

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OMG, I hadn't thought of that!!! I keep asking my husband to try it--we've tried a few diffent types and it makes him so ill. He's on Metformin!

I do have the magnesium glycinate...he's not game, but I will keep pestering. I'm hoping this one will work.

He isn't able to soak in the tub, but I do make a gel with the epsom salts

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I always have elimination problems doing lc, I probably don't eat enough fat. My friend suggested magnesium and not only was it gentle, it helped me break my 3 month stall.
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yep! This is why I recommend ACV too. High in malic acid
Fawn, I wonder if you could recommend a dosage and how to consume ACV?

I have long wondered about the reasoning behind taking this but it was always clouded around 'how to lose weight'. Now I see!
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Last time I was drinking ACV, I put it in a "Blender Bottle" with a squeeze of Bragg's Amino Acids, then sipped it through a straw.
This made it more palatable to me than on its own or trying to sweeten it! I also like to add a pinch of unrefined sea salt to my water.

While we await Fawn's response, this is from the earthclinic site:

"APPLE CIDER VINEGAR DOSAGES AND RECIPES

Revised 10/01/2008:

As you know, Earth Clinic has recommended the standard 2 teaspoons in 8 oz of water 3x a day for years now. For more severe conditions, we recommended 2 tablespoons of apple cider vinegar in 8 oz of water 3x a day. We now think that less vinegar, more water is an optimal way of taking apple cider vinegar daily unless you are treating an acute condition like acid reflux, cough, bronchitis, or sore throat (in which case the stronger concoction of 2 TBS ACV to 8 OZ of water 3x a day recipe is suggested).

For daily maintenance, weight loss and pH balancing, we now suggest the following:

2 teaspoons of organic apple cider vinegar
16 ounces of water
Sip, don't chug!

We suggest 2 teaspoons of apple cider vinegar in 16 ounces of water that you'll sip throughout the day, rather than drinking the whole concoction at once 3 times a day. You will be keeping your pH in a constant, alkalized state by sipping this highly diluted dosage. Usually 1-2 tall glasses of the concoction are all you'll need each day.

If you drink a lot of water throughout the day, consider adding just a splash of apple cider vinegar to your glass/container each time you fill it up, rather than drinking the one, 16 oz glass of acv and water mentioned above.

For the record, we are not big fans of adding baking soda to apple cider vinegar, nor are we fans of adding any kind of sweetener to the acv/water solution. The baking soda works great for some people, but causes severe side effects in others.

Also, we know the Bragg brand is the most popular apple cider vinegar on the market, but we've had just as good results using Whole Foods' organic and Trader Joe's organic apple cider vinegar."

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Thanks Jenny - very useful info!
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Could someone also post the best dose for magnesium? Especially for someone with IR and a lot of muscle cramps?
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Thanks, Fawn!

I have been taking Peter Gilham's Natural Calm off & on for years, but have started Metformin recently & the 2 together are a hazard!

I used to have some magnesium malate around here, but I can't find it...may be time to get some more! If I recall correctly, it can be helpful in preventing kidney stones and/or gallstones, because of the malic acid?
i take metformin as well do you know why we shouldn't take natural calm with it??

edit never mind i read further THANKS
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Well, I was trying to avoid TMI

magnesium=poopies
Metformin=poopies

magnesium + Metformin=emergency super poopies!!!
or, soopie poopies, even!


ETA: Oh, I realize now that sounds like I could have meant they are contraindicated. Sorry about that.

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Old 07-04-2011, 02:01 PM   #15
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Could someone also post the best dose for magnesium? Especially for someone with IR and a lot of muscle cramps?
Generally the "recommended dose" for magnesium is a little bit less than a dose that causes diarrhea. I know that's not very specific or helpful, but everybody's needs are different.

For example, the instructions on the "Natural Calm" magnesium that I have say to start out with a small dose, increase every day, and if you get "loose bowels" to go back to the last dose that didn't cause a problem.

(But I guess that wouldn't even apply if you use the types of magnesium that Fawn recommended.)

However, bouncing between this thread and the muscle cramps thread you started, I've been looking up a lot of articles on dehydration & electrolytes; and it sounds like excess electrolytes can have the same symptoms as insufficient electrolytes (regardless of whether you're getting not enough water, enough water, or too much water).

Too confusing and I wonder if you could go to your doctor and request an "electrolyte panel" to check for imbalances.

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I have been taking mag malate for years and no matter the dose- even really high ones- I never get diarrhea. The problem is with forms like mag oxide and citrate (Natural Calm) that are basically chemical laxatives and immediately work to empty the bowels.

Magnesium also helps with anxiety and sleep and so sometimes I take more and sometimes less or none.

In my opinion the best use for acv is in salad dressings and broths- it is a food after all, and not a supplement, and is hard on tooth enamel.
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Well, I was trying to avoid TMI

magnesium=poopies
Metformin=poopies

magnesium + Metformin=emergency super poopies!!!
or, soopie poopies, even!


ETA: Oh, I realize now that sounds like I could have meant they are contraindicated. Sorry about that.

Ha ha! I took Metformin for about 8 months and never knew that! But my slooow thyroid causes the opposite problem for me (sorry TMI). In our case with having a toddler, we just call the problem you might have #3- much worse than #2. Ha ha.
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