Carbohydrate Addicts Diet VS. Atkins - Page 2

Eliza_Jazz · 04-07-2011, 06:46 PM

I think the OP is probably misinformed about CAD/CALP as she thinks the Reward Meal is an hour during which "you can eat whatever you want". This cannot be further from the truth.

The Hellers say the RM (reward meal) must start with 2 cups of salad, and that you must have a 1/3 protein, 1/3 carbs, and 1/3 veggies balance for your main course. Divide plate in thirds and place reasonably balanced portions of each on it. Not as high carb as one may think.

It is not an hour of binging on high-carb foods, and if it is, then it isn't CAD/CALP.

My suggestion would be to read the books first and see if it would work for you personally.

P.S. There is a CAD/CALP thread under "other plans" with many old timers posting there if you want to check it out.

TaDa! · 04-08-2011, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Confetti

Hello -- I initially lost 121 pounds using CALP, a version of CAD that emphasizes a balanced Reward Meal. It's a great plan -- it works! And I found it very easy to follow. It took me about 21 months to lose the weight. However, I am disheartened to say that within the last 8 months, I have gained about 35 pounds back (this is the first time I have said this on this forum), and this is a topic I'd like to post about in the main forum, as I really have been searching for help. But back to CAD/CALP -- it's a great, do-able plan! Good luck!

Not to hijack this thread, but confetti I have come to some conclusions lately about those of us who lose large amounts of weight .. like your 121 pounds and then try to move into maintenance. I think it is very normal to rebound up a certain percentage when trying to maintain. I also think that the difference between going back up that path to obesity and really finally "getting it right" is searching for personal answers on why we eat and overeat, and what we have to accept in our lives to maintain the weightloss. For me, in the past year, that has been a very regimented set of requirements that just have to remain habit .. mostly: food quantity, weekly weigh-in, certain number of required exercise per week.

It feels sometimes Like I have to do more than the naturally thin people ... but then I really look at those thin fit people who are my age and realize that they work just as hard at it ... for many of them though, it is an ingrained habit ...

we just need to get to that place too ... my thoughts on the subject .. Don't feel too bad, just work through it! I know you can do it!!!!!

Pauline

Jennifer Eloff · 04-08-2011, 04:58 AM

Pauline, just wanted to say, I love your posts. You really are a sweet person too.

Congrats on your success! Amazing!

TubbyGirl · 04-08-2011, 05:55 AM

I agree that I am probably misinformed about CAD. I did think it was an hour to eat as you wish. Truthfully, my hour would have probably consisted of a peanut butter jelly sandwich and grapes, because that would be a fine go-to meal for me. I know I wouldn't binge, but I probably wouldn't have chosen a salad and balanaced meal. I need to read more about it.

In response to Karerose, I do see how The Biggest Loser could have a huge affect on people's expectations. I've always been told that the best rate to lose and keep it off is 2 pounds a week. I would like to know how the Biggest Loser justifies 7 pound losses. I really haven't watched that much of the show, so my comparison is coming from when I did low carb 10 years ago, as a teenager. I did take advantage of the low appetite and would often go days without food and loved that I could lose 10 pounds in a week easily. I have to work to be patient with 1-2 pounds a week. To me, I want my reward to be worth my sacrifices. I've lost about 18 pounds this time around, but the best reward has just been feeling like I have control of myself again and I'm doing it in a much more healthy way.

I've been so encouraged by all these posts! I really think I am going to give it a try. I was telling a friend of mine last night that I have basically turned down any invitation for social outings because I didn't want to be tempted at all and chance going out of ketosis by eating carbs or even hidden carbs in resturant foods. Hopefully this plan will help with that too.

Eliza_Jazz · 04-08-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TubbyGirl

I agree that I am probably misinformed about CAD. I did think it was an hour to eat as you wish. Truthfully, my hour would have probably consisted of a peanut butter jelly sandwich and grapes, because that would be a fine go-to meal for me. I know I wouldn't binge, but I probably wouldn't have chosen a salad and balanaced meal. I need to read more about it.

In response to Karerose, I do see how The Biggest Loser could have a huge affect on people's expectations. I've always been told that the best rate to lose and keep it off is 2 pounds a week. I would like to know how the Biggest Loser justifies 7 pound losses. I really haven't watched that much of the show, so my comparison is coming from when I did low carb 10 years ago, as a teenager. I did take advantage of the low appetite and would often go days without food and loved that I could lose 10 pounds in a week easily. I have to work to be patient with 1-2 pounds a week. To me, I want my reward to be worth my sacrifices. I've lost about 18 pounds this time around, but the best reward has just been feeling like I have control of myself again and I'm doing it in a much more healthy way.

I've been so encouraged by all these posts! I really think I am going to give it a try. I was telling a friend of mine last night that I have basically turned down any invitation for social outings because I didn't want to be tempted at all and chance going out of ketosis by eating carbs or even hidden carbs in resturant foods. Hopefully this plan will help with that too.

Tia, hope you find one of the Hellers' books (I would recommend CALP), your local library should have them. A big online book retailer sells them for a penny plus 3.99 shipping. I started my voyage into LCing via CALP and I liked it, still do, it is a great introduction into the LC lifestyle.

Best of luck to you on any plan you decide to follow!

TaDa! · 04-09-2011, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jennifer Eloff

Pauline, just wanted to say, I love your posts. You really are a sweet person too.

Congrats on your success! Amazing!

Thanks so much Jennifer for your kind words here and on my weightloss story thread. You are a doll! (and it is mutual admiration society, I tell ya!)

Pauline

Jennifer Eloff · 04-09-2011, 08:24 AM

LOL Pauline.

ravenrose · 04-11-2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TubbyGirl

Thanks everyone! I need to read the book. I am just curious if the CAD and other similar diets like South Beach help you to lose as quick as Atkins. I really want to lose 10 a month which really isn't that quick. I'm curious if you are in ketosis or if the cravings are low too. I am pretty good at not doing a lot of damage. I don't really like junk food like cake/icecream chips, because I know it hurts my belly. But I would love to have some whole wheat pasta sometimes at night and FRUIITT in the summer!!

yeah, 10 lb a month is very aggressive. doesn't hurt to hope, but please don't get crazy if it doesn't happen. I don't think that's possible for very many people. and pretty much NO, you wouldn't lose as fast. what level of carbs keeps you in ketosis varies by person, but it's generally good to do an induction to get there and then try adding to see how much you can tolerate. that seems to work better for most than starting initially at a moderate carb level, but again, there are people who have succeeded doing all sorts of things. there are plenty of people who succeed doing low fat/high carb too! it's all a matter of what works, is healthy, and you can stick to it. the sticking to it part is partly dealing with physical cravings and partly getting your mind around a restriction on what you can eat. each person has his own balance here.

cali_amazon · 04-11-2011, 09:52 AM

Just a quick note re: CAD. I've recently read the orginal CAD earliest edition and it does in fact advocate for eating what you want for that hour. There is no mention of balancing portions, but eating a meal like a "regular" person. They do encourage you to stick to whatever dietary restrictions you may otherwise have, like low fat. They don't advocate binge behavior at all.

You are supposed to monitor your average weight loss for the week (or 2 weeks I can't recall which) and if you are not losing the way you would like they have suggestions that include:
-A salad prior to eating your reward meal
-Cutting back on meals from 3 down to 2
-There's also an option for 3 meals and a snack and they advocate cutting the snack if you are having trouble.

I suspect they re-wrote the original to conform to societal expectations of a diet a bit more and to discourage bingeing by including the matched portion suggestion and not encouraging someone to skip a meal. Despite that in the original Susan? Heller lost all of her weight by eating what she wanted once a day for 1 hour.

Much of their theory relates to controling automatic insulin response. So they argue that by eating carbs only once per day you are changing up your body's expectations regarding food and thus creating a more appropriate insulin response. This is also why you are only supposed to eat for 1 hour.

Anyho, the horse is clearly beaten, but I thought I'd share

I've used this approach on vacation and find that it's great for maintaining. Then again for me that usually means a glass of wine and a small or shared dessert. I've honestly been amazed at how much easier it is for me to feel in control of my eating on low carb and I don't think CAD is any different in that regard, but for me regular low-carbing is what prevented the idea of a reward meal from being an all out binge.

Confetti · 04-11-2011, 06:16 PM

Thanks, Pauline! I keep reading, researching, learning and trying! I'm a fighter!

TubbyGirl · 04-12-2011, 05:46 AM

Ordered the book. Waiting for it to arrive. So CAD and CALP are more about controlling insulin responses then making the body enter Ketosis. Is that right? I understand in Ketosis that the body is not burning carbs because there are none, so it burns only fat. Does that happen with CAD/CAlP on a smaller scale?

Here was my diet plan yesterday.
B- 2 net carb chocolate shake
L-2 hard boiled eggs
D- Pasta with sausage and vegis and bread.

I know it wasn't what the book recommended, but hopefully I helped to control my insulin.?

cali_amazon · 04-12-2011, 10:54 AM

According to the CAD book I read they focus on insulin not ketosis. I'm not recalling the exact science behind it (perhaps someone else can chime in?), but basically there are 2 instances of insulin release in response to eating a meal. The first is immediate and related to your blood sugar, the second is about an hour after eating and will be higher if you are still eating at that time. They argue that high carb leads to the body automatically dumping more insulin than is warranted into your system.

Obviously insulin resistance plays into their theory and I believe they argue that by moderating your insulin response to your low carb meals your body is able to more effectively respond to the reward meal.

That's what I recall anyway.

Although, as your menu suggests, I think this plan may also be inherently lower calorie.

Lucky4 · 04-13-2011, 03:33 AM

From my personal experience with CAD, IF I could have controlled myself, maybe I would have done okay. But that one hour --that one bowl of ice cream--turned into a huge binge--and I am one that does need to watch calories even if my carbs were low. It's one of those things that you just have to try first. : )

iakaren · 05-10-2011, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TubbyGirl

Thanks everyone! I need to read the book. I am just curious if the CAD and other similar diets like South Beach help you to lose as quick as Atkins. I really want to lose 10 a month which really isn't that quick. I'm curious if you are in ketosis or if the cravings are low too. I am pretty good at not doing a lot of damage. I don't really like junk food like cake/icecream chips, because I know it hurts my belly. But I would love to have some whole wheat pasta sometimes at night and FRUIITT in the summer!!

I wouldn't say CAD gets you to lose weight faster than Atkins, but in my case, I think it will give me something that I can stick to longer term.

EveH · 05-10-2011, 07:12 PM

I would think anyone serious about getting control of their carb addiction would reject a high carb reward meal every day. They are not really learning how to control those high carb cravings if they keep going back to them. That just seems like giving a teenager the keys to the car and a hundred dollars to spend.

mmorris · 05-11-2011, 02:20 PM

Long before I heard about Atkins I heard of CAD and tried it.. It worked for me but not for the long haul.
It was funny ...when I went out to eat I asked them to bring my dessert with my meal so I can eat it within the hour.
Richard and Rachael Heller clearly state in the CAD book that you have to eat a balance of foods with your reward meal meaning: you have to have protein, salad, and carb/reward in one sitting. If you want more reward (carbs) you have to eat more protein, salad/veggie along with carb/reward.
The nice thing about the Heller's is that I wrote them many times and they wrote me back.. Good luck on your choice.

shirlc · 05-11-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mmorris

Long before I heard about Atkins I heard of CAD and tried it.. It worked for me but not for the long haul.
It was funny ...when I went out to eat I asked them to bring my dessert with my meal so I can eat it within the hour.
Richard and Rachael Heller clearly state in the CAD book that you have to eat a balance of foods with your reward meal meaning: you have to have protein, salad, and carb/reward in one sitting. If you want more reward (carbs) you have to eat more protein, salad/veggie along with carb/reward.
The nice thing about the Heller's is that I wrote them many times and they wrote me back.. Good luck on your choice.

I hope someone corrects me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that for CAD, you eat what you want to within an hour, being careful not to make it a "pigout." The CALP diet is where you balance proteins salad/veggies and carbs.

iakaren · 05-11-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shirlc

I hope someone corrects me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that for CAD, you eat what you want to within an hour, being careful not to make it a "pigout." The CALP diet is where you balance proteins salad/veggies and carbs.

Sounds right.............I have read both books, and own the CAD version.

iakaren · 08-29-2012, 06:42 PM

Bumping in case someone has interest in CAD eating.

iakaren · 12-05-2012, 03:53 AM

Bumping again.

Trigger828 · 12-05-2012, 04:07 AM

1 hr. a day you can have what you want. On atkins you just have to wait longer for that to happen. phase 4, the final meals you can have 'good' breads etc. IF YOUR body can handle heavier carbs and maintain.

1 hr the amt. of carbs I can eat is sickening. I wouldn't do it for me. I could put myself over 200 carbs in an hr. I know I can do it

You do know you don't have to pick one? because it is all about the TOTAL CARBS you allow yourself for the day. atkins puts more of a 'plan limit' to follow for carbs thru the phases. to lose weight. the Carb Addict just say eat what you want in one hr and don't go crazy. (does it have a carb limit for the day or it is whatever you eat only?)

If the normal person limited themselves to say, 50-60 carbs per day, heck they would probably lose weight.

I can lose on 40 carbs per day but I choose atkins at 25-30 carbs in Phase 2 because I am gradually adding in a few foods thru the phases to see if I react nasty to any. atkins gives you a plan that shows you if certain foods when added back later are your enemy. If you eat whatever you want in an hr a day you wouldn't really know if certain foods are not good for you particularly.

atkins starts clean. basic in food. then you add to see how things effect you personally. that is what I like about my plan.

I would never reward myself with food ever again in my life. No way. These nasty, stupid rituals with food is what I am trying to break away from to get a balanced handle on food thru my life. a food reward is the worst I could ever offer myself.

DressageLover · 12-05-2012, 05:39 AM

I'm a big fan of CAD and I'd highly recommend reading the Carbohydrate Addicts Lifespan Program. I found the program very easy, comfortable, and manageable. I ate that way from January of 1999 through June of this year. I lost about 40 pounds and kept it off all those years. For me to finish the job, however, I've had to go very low carb and closely track calories. I have about 11 pounds to go! The thing you need to understand with CAD is the process of managing bi-phasic insulin response. It won't work well if you try to incorporate artificial sweeteners or frankenfoods into your day aside from the "reward meal" hour. With the exception of the one hour where you can have a BALANCED meal that includes carbs, you need to eat very cleanly. Meat, eggs, cheese, green veggies. No nuts, no sodas, no shakes, no atkins bars, etc. Again - I found this program very liveable - just needed to ratchet down my eating to lose the rest of my weight.

creseis · 12-05-2012, 06:02 AM

The problem with CAD is that it does not really fix the insulin problem.

tobelowcarber · 12-05-2012, 06:18 AM

DressageLover- can the reward meal be at lunch time instead of dinner?

Patlaf · 12-05-2012, 07:44 AM

Hoppin, who is a CAD/CALP poster child (check out Other Plans) has a very complete blog, Low Carb Compatible. She does her reward meal at lunch.

Pat

mom23kids · 12-05-2012, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TubbyGirl

Thanks everyone! I need to read the book. I am just curious if the CAD and other similar diets like South Beach help you to lose as quick as Atkins. I really want to lose 10 a month which really isn't that quick. I'm curious if you are in ketosis or if the cravings are low too. I am pretty good at not doing a lot of damage. I don't really like junk food like cake/icecream chips, because I know it hurts my belly. But I would love to have some whole wheat pasta sometimes at night and FRUIITT in the summer!!

I'll throw another idea into the mix-Jorge Cruise's book/plan, The Belly Fat Cure. This is the first book I read after deciding to go lc and it was easy to read and had some good ideas-the premise being keep your sugar grams under 15 a day and carbs between 30-120ish a day. I've since decided that a lc plan wasn't for me and have ended up with JUDDD, but if you're looking for a lc plan that's more flexible I'd look into The Belly Fat Cure

dansamy · 12-05-2012, 08:21 AM

Like an alcoholic, I can't be trusted with the RM. I can do a lot of damage in an hour!

iakaren · 12-05-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DressageLover

I'm a big fan of CAD and I'd highly recommend reading the Carbohydrate Addicts Lifespan Program. I found the program very easy, comfortable, and manageable. I ate that way from January of 1999 through June of this year. I lost about 40 pounds and kept it off all those years. For me to finish the job, however, I've had to go very low carb and closely track calories. I have about 11 pounds to go! The thing you need to understand with CAD is the process of managing bi-phasic insulin response. It won't work well if you try to incorporate artificial sweeteners or frankenfoods into your day aside from the "reward meal" hour. With the exception of the one hour where you can have a BALANCED meal that includes carbs, you need to eat very cleanly. Meat, eggs, cheese, green veggies. No nuts, no sodas, no shakes, no atkins bars, etc. Again - I found this program very liveable - just needed to ratchet down my eating to lose the rest of my weight.

That pretty well sums up my view of the plan. It is successful when I stick to it, and it seems like the plan that works the best in MY life--for the long haul.

GME · 12-05-2012, 07:57 PM

CAD controls insulin by only eating food that stimulates insulin response once per day and for a limited time. The reason for the one hour window is because a second round of insulin is released if you are still eating then.

The plan assumes you are coming from a "normal" diet and your insulin is elevated all day. With CAD you are cutting your insulin-heavy time down by 20+ hours.

LeslieJG · 12-06-2012, 12:02 PM

I did CAD back in the late 90's and lost 30 pounds in 3 months. Loved it, but I was never able to get my momentum back after I went off. Now I am back on low carb (20 or less a day) after having had 5 children and wanting to lose the weight I gained back. I am actually thinking of incorporating a CAD RM occasionally. I feel it is better to have 1 cheat meal in CAD rules every now and then (holidays, birthdays, and special occasions) then a full on cheat to contain the damage..

My problem with CAD is the no snacking rule. I like to have a snack at night while reading or watching TV after the kids are in bed.

04-07-2011, 06:46 PM	#31
Eliza_Jazz Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: a sunny warm place :) Posts: 11,518 Gallery: Eliza_Jazz Stats: finally in Twoterville :) WOE: Primal Start Date: April 20, 2010 and every day since	I think the OP is probably misinformed about CAD/CALP as she thinks the Reward Meal is an hour during which "you can eat whatever you want". This cannot be further from the truth. The Hellers say the RM (reward meal) must start with 2 cups of salad, and that you must have a 1/3 protein, 1/3 carbs, and 1/3 veggies balance for your main course. Divide plate in thirds and place reasonably balanced portions of each on it. Not as high carb as one may think. It is not an hour of binging on high-carb foods, and if it is, then it isn't CAD/CALP. My suggestion would be to read the books first and see if it would work for you personally. P.S. There is a CAD/CALP thread under "other plans" with many old timers posting there if you want to check it out. __________________ Eliza Staying on plan is hard. Being fat is hard. Pick your hard. Last edited by Eliza_Jazz; 04-07-2011 at 06:49 PM..

04-08-2011, 05:55 AM	#34
TubbyGirl Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 124 Gallery: TubbyGirl Stats: (275) 251/228.8/190 WOE: Atkins- Induction Start Date: 1/17/11	I agree that I am probably misinformed about CAD. I did think it was an hour to eat as you wish. Truthfully, my hour would have probably consisted of a peanut butter jelly sandwich and grapes, because that would be a fine go-to meal for me. I know I wouldn't binge, but I probably wouldn't have chosen a salad and balanaced meal. I need to read more about it. In response to Karerose, I do see how The Biggest Loser could have a huge affect on people's expectations. I've always been told that the best rate to lose and keep it off is 2 pounds a week. I would like to know how the Biggest Loser justifies 7 pound losses. I really haven't watched that much of the show, so my comparison is coming from when I did low carb 10 years ago, as a teenager. I did take advantage of the low appetite and would often go days without food and loved that I could lose 10 pounds in a week easily. I have to work to be patient with 1-2 pounds a week. To me, I want my reward to be worth my sacrifices. I've lost about 18 pounds this time around, but the best reward has just been feeling like I have control of myself again and I'm doing it in a much more healthy way. I've been so encouraged by all these posts! I really think I am going to give it a try. I was telling a friend of mine last night that I have basically turned down any invitation for social outings because I didn't want to be tempted at all and chance going out of ketosis by eating carbs or even hidden carbs in resturant foods. Hopefully this plan will help with that too. __________________ Tia 1st Goal 230 - Met 3/27/11 2nd Goal 220- Met ??? 3rd Goal 210 4th Goal 200 5th Goal 190

05-11-2011, 02:20 PM	#46
mmorris Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: May 2003 Location: White Mountains, NH Posts: 5,648 Gallery: mmorris Stats: 268/128-Goal Weight Finally!! (-140 pounds gone) WOE: Atkins All the WAY!! Start Date: August 2002	Long before I heard about Atkins I heard of CAD and tried it.. It worked for me but not for the long haul. It was funny ...when I went out to eat I asked them to bring my dessert with my meal so I can eat it within the hour. Richard and Rachael Heller clearly state in the CAD book that you have to eat a balance of foods with your reward meal meaning: you have to have protein, salad, and carb/reward in one sitting. If you want more reward (carbs) you have to eat more protein, salad/veggie along with carb/reward. The nice thing about the Heller's is that I wrote them many times and they wrote me back.. Good luck on your choice. __________________ I can do everything through Christ who gives me strength Philippians 4:13 Grandmother of 8 If you fail to plan, you plan to fail If it is to be, it's up to me a little note... I lost this all my weight without one ounce of exercise. I do now swim 3x a week Last edited by mmorris; 05-11-2011 at 02:21 PM..

12-05-2012, 05:39 AM	#52
DressageLover Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 269 Gallery: DressageLover Stats: 222/160/150, 5'10" WOE: CAD Jan 1999-July 2012 - Now VLC Start Date: 1/29/99	I'm a big fan of CAD and I'd highly recommend reading the Carbohydrate Addicts Lifespan Program. I found the program very easy, comfortable, and manageable. I ate that way from January of 1999 through June of this year. I lost about 40 pounds and kept it off all those years. For me to finish the job, however, I've had to go very low carb and closely track calories. I have about 11 pounds to go! The thing you need to understand with CAD is the process of managing bi-phasic insulin response. It won't work well if you try to incorporate artificial sweeteners or frankenfoods into your day aside from the "reward meal" hour. With the exception of the one hour where you can have a BALANCED meal that includes carbs, you need to eat very cleanly. Meat, eggs, cheese, green veggies. No nuts, no sodas, no shakes, no atkins bars, etc. Again - I found this program very liveable - just needed to ratchet down my eating to lose the rest of my weight. __________________ If hunger is not the problem, food is not the solution. Wow. I've lost over 60 pounds!

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04-08-2011, 04:58 AM	#33
Jennifer Eloff Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tropics Posts: 3,082 Gallery: Jennifer Eloff WOE: Atkins/Moderate Carbs Start Date: 1999	Pauline, just wanted to say, I love your posts. You really are a sweet person too. Congrats on your success! Amazing!

04-09-2011, 08:24 AM	#37
Jennifer Eloff Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tropics Posts: 3,082 Gallery: Jennifer Eloff WOE: Atkins/Moderate Carbs Start Date: 1999	LOL Pauline.

04-11-2011, 09:52 AM	#39
cali_amazon Junior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 54 Gallery: cali_amazon Stats: minus 21 lbs. WOE: sugar free, grain free, low gi Start Date: January 2011	Just a quick note re: CAD. I've recently read the orginal CAD earliest edition and it does in fact advocate for eating what you want for that hour. There is no mention of balancing portions, but eating a meal like a "regular" person. They do encourage you to stick to whatever dietary restrictions you may otherwise have, like low fat. They don't advocate binge behavior at all. You are supposed to monitor your average weight loss for the week (or 2 weeks I can't recall which) and if you are not losing the way you would like they have suggestions that include: -A salad prior to eating your reward meal -Cutting back on meals from 3 down to 2 -There's also an option for 3 meals and a snack and they advocate cutting the snack if you are having trouble. I suspect they re-wrote the original to conform to societal expectations of a diet a bit more and to discourage bingeing by including the matched portion suggestion and not encouraging someone to skip a meal. Despite that in the original Susan? Heller lost all of her weight by eating what she wanted once a day for 1 hour. Much of their theory relates to controling automatic insulin response. So they argue that by eating carbs only once per day you are changing up your body's expectations regarding food and thus creating a more appropriate insulin response. This is also why you are only supposed to eat for 1 hour. Anyho, the horse is clearly beaten, but I thought I'd share I've used this approach on vacation and find that it's great for maintaining. Then again for me that usually means a glass of wine and a small or shared dessert. I've honestly been amazed at how much easier it is for me to feel in control of my eating on low carb and I don't think CAD is any different in that regard, but for me regular low-carbing is what prevented the idea of a reward meal from being an all out binge.

04-11-2011, 06:16 PM	#40
Confetti Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: PA Posts: 1,269 Gallery: Confetti Stats: 5'9", 43 years ~~314/goal is to be under 200! WOE: controlled carb Start Date: March 2007	Thanks, Pauline! I keep reading, researching, learning and trying! I'm a fighter!

04-12-2011, 05:46 AM	#41
TubbyGirl Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 124 Gallery: TubbyGirl Stats: (275) 251/228.8/190 WOE: Atkins- Induction Start Date: 1/17/11	Ordered the book. Waiting for it to arrive. So CAD and CALP are more about controlling insulin responses then making the body enter Ketosis. Is that right? I understand in Ketosis that the body is not burning carbs because there are none, so it burns only fat. Does that happen with CAD/CAlP on a smaller scale? Here was my diet plan yesterday. B- 2 net carb chocolate shake L-2 hard boiled eggs D- Pasta with sausage and vegis and bread. I know it wasn't what the book recommended, but hopefully I helped to control my insulin.?

04-12-2011, 10:54 AM	#42
cali_amazon Junior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 54 Gallery: cali_amazon Stats: minus 21 lbs. WOE: sugar free, grain free, low gi Start Date: January 2011	According to the CAD book I read they focus on insulin not ketosis. I'm not recalling the exact science behind it (perhaps someone else can chime in?), but basically there are 2 instances of insulin release in response to eating a meal. The first is immediate and related to your blood sugar, the second is about an hour after eating and will be higher if you are still eating at that time. They argue that high carb leads to the body automatically dumping more insulin than is warranted into your system. Obviously insulin resistance plays into their theory and I believe they argue that by moderating your insulin response to your low carb meals your body is able to more effectively respond to the reward meal. That's what I recall anyway. Although, as your menu suggests, I think this plan may also be inherently lower calorie.

04-13-2011, 03:33 AM	#43
Lucky4 Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: All over the place Posts: 2,656 Gallery: Lucky4 Stats: Size 20-22/-31.6 lbs /Size 8-10 Right under 5'8" WOE: Back to Protein Power (LCer for a long time) Start Date: Restart Feb 1, 2011	From my personal experience with CAD, IF I could have controlled myself, maybe I would have done okay. But that one hour --that one bowl of ice cream--turned into a huge binge--and I am one that does need to watch calories even if my carbs were low. It's one of those things that you just have to try first. : )

05-10-2011, 07:12 PM	#45
EveH Major LCF Poster! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 2,677 Gallery: EveH Stats: 165/122/130----5'4" WOE: Atkins..skipped induction Start Date: Oct 2010	I would think anyone serious about getting control of their carb addiction would reject a high carb reward meal every day. They are not really learning how to control those high carb cravings if they keep going back to them. That just seems like giving a teenager the keys to the car and a hundred dollars to spend.

08-29-2012, 06:42 PM	#49
iakaren Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 6,737 Gallery: iakaren Stats: 191/181/160 WOE: LC 11/06;CAD 11/11 Start Date: October 28, 2006	Bumping in case someone has interest in CAD eating.

12-05-2012, 03:53 AM	#50
iakaren Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 6,737 Gallery: iakaren Stats: 191/181/160 WOE: LC 11/06;CAD 11/11 Start Date: October 28, 2006	Bumping again.

12-05-2012, 04:07 AM	#51
Trigger828 Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,406 Gallery: Trigger828 Stats: 230 / 198.5 / 165 WOE: moderate carb my way! Start Date: Oct. 7, 2012	1 hr. a day you can have what you want. On atkins you just have to wait longer for that to happen. phase 4, the final meals you can have 'good' breads etc. IF YOUR body can handle heavier carbs and maintain. 1 hr the amt. of carbs I can eat is sickening. I wouldn't do it for me. I could put myself over 200 carbs in an hr. I know I can do it You do know you don't have to pick one? because it is all about the TOTAL CARBS you allow yourself for the day. atkins puts more of a 'plan limit' to follow for carbs thru the phases. to lose weight. the Carb Addict just say eat what you want in one hr and don't go crazy. (does it have a carb limit for the day or it is whatever you eat only?) If the normal person limited themselves to say, 50-60 carbs per day, heck they would probably lose weight. I can lose on 40 carbs per day but I choose atkins at 25-30 carbs in Phase 2 because I am gradually adding in a few foods thru the phases to see if I react nasty to any. atkins gives you a plan that shows you if certain foods when added back later are your enemy. If you eat whatever you want in an hr a day you wouldn't really know if certain foods are not good for you particularly. atkins starts clean. basic in food. then you add to see how things effect you personally. that is what I like about my plan. I would never reward myself with food ever again in my life. No way. These nasty, stupid rituals with food is what I am trying to break away from to get a balanced handle on food thru my life. a food reward is the worst I could ever offer myself.

12-05-2012, 06:02 AM	#53
creseis Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Troy, NY Posts: 897 Gallery: creseis Stats: 163/152/135 WOE: Atkins/Eades's/Volek and Phinney/Attia.. Ketogenic Start Date: Jan 10.2013	The problem with CAD is that it does not really fix the insulin problem.

12-05-2012, 06:18 AM	#54
tobelowcarber Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,981 Gallery: tobelowcarber Stats: 136/129.4/124 WOE: JUDDD/LC	DressageLover- can the reward meal be at lunch time instead of dinner?

12-05-2012, 07:44 AM	#55
Patlaf Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: In a small town on the sunny coast of Spain. Posts: 3,055 Gallery: Patlaf Stats: start 226/178/145 WOE: Atkins	Hoppin, who is a CAD/CALP poster child (check out Other Plans) has a very complete blog, Low Carb Compatible. She does her reward meal at lunch. Pat

12-05-2012, 08:21 AM	#57
dansamy Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 795 Gallery: dansamy WOE: Atkins Start Date: 03/11/2012	Like an alcoholic, I can't be trusted with the RM. I can do a lot of damage in an hour!

12-05-2012, 07:57 PM	#59
GME Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CA Coast Posts: 6,724 Gallery: GME Stats: 250/175/175 And again...223/208.4/146 5'7 WOE: Misc. Start Date: April 2000 (the first time)	CAD controls insulin by only eating food that stimulates insulin response once per day and for a limited time. The reason for the one hour window is because a second round of insulin is released if you are still eating then. The plan assumes you are coming from a "normal" diet and your insulin is elevated all day. With CAD you are cutting your insulin-heavy time down by 20+ hours.

12-06-2012, 12:02 PM	#60
LeslieJG Junior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 38 Gallery: LeslieJG Stats: 220/213/130 WOE: CAD Start Date: January 2013	I did CAD back in the late 90's and lost 30 pounds in 3 months. Loved it, but I was never able to get my momentum back after I went off. Now I am back on low carb (20 or less a day) after having had 5 children and wanting to lose the weight I gained back. I am actually thinking of incorporating a CAD RM occasionally. I feel it is better to have 1 cheat meal in CAD rules every now and then (holidays, birthdays, and special occasions) then a full on cheat to contain the damage.. My problem with CAD is the no snacking rule. I like to have a snack at night while reading or watching TV after the kids are in bed.