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Old 02-18-2011, 07:33 AM   #1
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Dr. Oz and Metamucil 3 TIMES A DAY?

Did anyone see this show about Dr. Oz saying that fiber helps to lower cholesterol and that taking Metamucil 3 times a day will do the trick because there is no way we can get as much fiber as we need through veggies and other food products?

Did my client tell me this right, and if so I'm thinking something just doesn't feel right about taking this product so often.

Can someone enlighten me about this subject? Thanks!
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fiber is a tricky subject. not something everyone agrees on, any more than they do whether brown rice is the healthiest thing you can eat, you know?

first of all, it's two different things, totally unrelated.

insoluble fiber does NOT dissolve and goes right through you undigested. that is the one that keeps your bowels regular. mostly people think, yeah, great stuff! no carbs, tends to keep you full, all that... but others say that some insoluble fiber, especially wheat bran, injures the intestines and leads to some of the same problems wheat gluten does, only this is for EVERYONE, not just people sensitive to it. to make the story short--it makes little holes in the intestines where partially digested stuff that should NOT be getting into your bloodstream DOES get into it. and that can cause autoimmune problems, etc. Dr Eades of Protein Power fame is pretty much leading the cause against fiber, saying it's not good for you.

soluble fiber is not digested by YOU but is digested by the bacteria in your colon. this is the one that can lead to flatulence for some people, especially combined with sulfur in things like broccoli and other crucifer vegetables. this one seems to lower cholesterol and do good things in the blood... BUT recently I was reading some unnerving things about the biproducts of this digestion of soluble fiber by the gut bacteria leading to increased fat storage! not sure if it's an important factor, I am still looking into it.

but the point is, it's not a clear thing.

if you DO want more fiber than you can get in vegetables, I think taking metamucil is just dumb myself. it's not particularly pleasant, and there are better ways to get that fiber.

Our favorite here at LCF seems to be flax! A quarter cup has 8 grams of fiber and makes a fine muffin... that would be the same as 4 teaspoons of metamucil. I believe a serving of metamucil is only a teaspoon, so adding 6 grams of fiber a day is not all THAT much, really. I try for at least 25 grams a day myself.

the gums we use to thicken things, guar, xanthan, and glucommanan, are all fiber as well. shirataki noodles are all fiber, as is oat fiber from Netrition. there are a number of low carb specialties that have LOTS of fiber in them, varying amounts of soluble and insoluble.

not to mention that most of the sugar free metamucil products have other ingredients like aspartame and maltodextrin which many of us avoid.

I am still going with a lot of fiber myself. I eat flax muffins for breakfast and use those other products as well. I would hate to have to cut them back, but I am considering a one month trial to see if it helps with weight loss.
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Did anyone see this show about Dr. Oz saying that fiber helps to lower cholesterol and that taking Metamucil 3 times a day will do the trick because there is no way we can get as much fiber as we need through veggies and other food products?

Did my client tell me this right, and if so I'm thinking something just doesn't feel right about taking this product so often.

Can someone enlighten me about this subject? Thanks!
I have a very good digestive elimination tract plus I eat Greens and Veggies daily and get my fiber. I don't believe on taking fiber unless you have "issues" and don't eat your greens/veggies.
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He's got some great info lately but this is one of those negative pieces that is picked up.

This advice has the potential to damage the micro villi of the intestines as well as cause mineral imbalances.

When we hear advice like this, go back 100 years or more and think critically about what our ancestors did.

Pushing fiber has become quite popular and is very new advice in the big picture of history and the human frame.
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Very interesting Fawn. I never did buy into the theory that the human body "needs" fiber to be healthy. I eat hardly any fruit (maybe 2 bananas a year, and a few strawberries every couple months) and very little veggies. I only eat salad, and I have those maybe 3-4 times a week. Yet I do #2's on a very consistent basis, I am very regular. Pooping at least 3x a day Sometimes 4. I feel great. In fact, when I eat too much fiber I get gastrointestinal upset. That's why I do not eat fruits and veggies!!!! If I do I keep it to a minimum.
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Old 02-18-2011, 10:45 AM   #6
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I eat my fruits, vegetables and occasional whole grains and everything is just fine and dandy! I don't understand how people can push organics, green-living, etc. and yet still push products?
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My GI doc told me DON'T use Metamucil, because psyllium husks cause so much gas and bloating. He said if I want extra fiber, take Fibercon.

(His advice was simply due to the unpleasant side effects of metamucil, not because it is any sort of health risk. But who wants to be bloated and gassy??)
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I use Pysillium husk powder or in capsules.... because I do tend to get constipated on low carb. Learned this from a body builder when they need to be sure things are working right.. so no worries (caution with Pysillium powder... it can thicken in the throat if not taken with a large glass of water) I always drink extra water to make sure
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I use Pysillium husk powder or in capsules.... because I do tend to get constipated on low carb. Learned this from a body builder when they need to be sure things are working right.. so no worries (caution with Pysillium powder... it can thicken in the throat if not taken with a large glass of water) I always drink extra water to make sure
Regular Metamucil is psyllium husk powder - the name is just a brand. And an excuse to charge more .

My view on fiber is that if I'm having constipation problems, supplementing fiber is in my arsenal of solutions. If I'm not having problems, I don't worry about it.

(p.s. Psyllium is too harsh for me, unfortunately - it's the cheapest fiber supplement!)
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I use Pysillium husk powder or in capsules.... because I do tend to get constipated on low carb. Learned this from a body builder when they need to be sure things are working right.. so no worries (caution with Pysillium powder... it can thicken in the throat if not taken with a large glass of water) I always drink extra water to make sure
Yes, it can help things get moving but the body builders I know would never rely on Metamucil because it causes bloating. They always tell me to eat as clean as possible and that will help things move in the right direction.
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It seems suspicious to me that we are being told that our fiber requirements are so high that we can't get enough in our diet, & we must resort to metamucil 3 times daily. One dose of that stuff makes things worse for me (& yes, I drink plenty of water). I might as well swallow cement for the consequences I suffer. Also, hasn't that old LOWER YOUR CHOLESTEROL argument been settled?

There are lots of studies & opinions out there, and the other half are in the "fiber is bad for you & it's fat that keeps you regular camp". All the conflicting info available does make it hard to figure it all out.

Recently, on some bulletin board I saw this signature line, "Studies & statistics are used like the enebriated use lamposts, for support, not illumination." Maybe, that says it all. LOL.
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I find it confusing as well. I have been taking fiber and like Jarrow Gentle Fiber which is flax and defatted chia seeds. I do mix it with psyllium (yes, psyllium does cause bloat but it works) Also, a lot of the psyllium products out there are mixed with ingredients I don't like so I use plain (ugh) like Organic India or one sweetened with erthyritol which is available on line by nature's flavors.
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Ravenrose, Fawn, would the Inulin that is in the blue container of Metamucil not be a good idea to use? It is a prebiotic, and I thought feeding the good bacteria would be a great idea. It is really gentle for me but it really helps me with top quality BM's. I also sometimes use PGX which has Konjac fiber, glucomannan. It is supposed to help regulate blood glucose, and it helps with the "Im full" feeling.
I especially love flax, use it almost every day, and chia seeds.
As a child I was lucky to go every 3rd day, always constipated. Then in my 20's used lots of herbal laxatives to keep cleaned out. I never need the herbs now and go a couple of times a day. I would be dissapointed to find that the ones I am using now might not be such a good idea.
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i don't know if this was on the same show, but i missed the first part and he said that taking vinegar--2 tsp twice a day before lunch and dinner helps regulate blood sugar---and i agree with that, but when i looked he had a bottle of white distilled vinegar sitting there, wish i would have seen it all, aparently he doesn't know about braggs with the mother in it---i missed the discussion about the white vinegar he had sitting there, did anyone else see this
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Ravenrose, Fawn, would the Inulin that is in the blue container of Metamucil not be a good idea to use? It is a prebiotic, and I thought feeding the good bacteria would be a great idea. It is really gentle for me but it really helps me with top quality BM's. I also sometimes use PGX which has Konjac fiber, glucomannan. It is supposed to help regulate blood glucose, and it helps with the "Im full" feeling.
I especially love flax, use it almost every day, and chia seeds.
As a child I was lucky to go every 3rd day, always constipated. Then in my 20's used lots of herbal laxatives to keep cleaned out. I never need the herbs now and go a couple of times a day. I would be dissapointed to find that the ones I am using now might not be such a good idea.
Thanks for the info and any input.
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You know, many don't care for inulin because it can cause bloating in some. If you're used to it then it's a fabulous food for your bacteria to feed on. I add a little to my shake every once in a while. Makes a nice sweetener too.

As long as you're off all those laxatives, don't feel bloated and have a nice easy BM regularly, you're doing just fine!
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I had my fair share of induction digestive "issues" but one thing I learned really fast is that psyllium husk fiber (in capsule form) makes the problem worse for me. Eventually taking vitamins (full dose) on a regular basis and consuming L-Glutamine from time to time seemed to change something--because I've settled into a consistent pattern that works without discomfort. I think the most important thing here is to maintain the health and normal healing of your cells, the fiber supplements being pushed are red herrings IMO.
It certainly helps things when I eat a lot of vegetables though.
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Fiber & mortality decrease

MONDAY, Feb. 14 (HealthDay News) -- Eating a diet rich in fiber may reduce your risk of dying from heart disease, respiratory disease or any other cause by 22 percent, researchers from the U.S. National Cancer Institute report.


Diet High in Fiber Might Lengthen Your Life
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I don't see Oz often, but the last time I watched, he had someone on that said we should have 3-4 BM's /day and they should be as big as your head. WHAT????
Eat more fiber was the take home message.
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It seems suspicious to me that we are being told that our fiber requirements are so high that we can't get enough in our diet, & we must resort to metamucil 3 times daily. One dose of that stuff makes things worse for me (& yes, I drink plenty of water). I might as well swallow cement for the consequences I suffer. Also, hasn't that old LOWER YOUR CHOLESTEROL argument been settled?

There are lots of studies & opinions out there, and the other half are in the "fiber is bad for you & it's fat that keeps you regular camp". All the conflicting info available does make it hard to figure it all out.

Recently, on some bulletin board I saw this signature line, "Studies & statistics are used like the enebriated use lamposts, for support, not illumination." Maybe, that says it all. LOL.
That is one of the best lines I have ever heard.

I also like the Mark Twain quote: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

I am up to my eyeballs in education research right now and it is pretty much the same. Everyone has their pet theory they are out to prove and some other ox they want to gore.
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It his statement that this would help to get more fiber into us thus helping to lower our cholesterol that is not sitting right with me. He was not referring to having "bathroom issues" or how many times we should "go" but stressing that we need more fiber for good cholesterol and using this laxative would help to achieve this!

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Dr. Oz had a pre-cancerous polyp that was discovered when he had a colonoscopy done for his show. He is probably interested in huge amounts of fiber because of that.
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Fiber "grabs" old cells, hormones and cholesterol eliminating them in the waste. About 50% of our cholesterol is recycled. (the simple explanation)
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I dont use any fiber supplements of any kind nor do I plan to. I'll take my chances.
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I am so confused! I have a bottle of PGX that I am afraid to use because I keep reading that people have died from the fiber clogging up in the esophagus or something like that.
I bought inulin and now afraid to use it because I just read that it feeds the bad bacteria and yeast in the body as well as the good. Everything bloats me so I just use
all this stuff late in the day so it happens at night and doesn't offend everyone.
Guar doesn't bother me too bad in small amounts but it is a soluble fiber and I know that I need to increase insoluble fiber. I do use guar and xanthan in small amounts as thickeners.
Flax bloats me really bad so I stay away from that. Any suggestions?
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If I eat beans, oatmeal, or bread, I become severely constipated and get heartburn. Once, I took psyllium husks and became very sick! Constipation, bloating and severe heartburn pain. Beans, oatmeal and pasta are like a recipe for illness for me. I know if I eat them, I'm going to suffer.

The only way I am totally comfortable is to eat protein and lots of fat with moderate amounts of vegetables and a little fruit. Totally comfortable and easy in the bathroom...plus zero heartburn.
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The reality is that *something* is going to kill us. It may be cancer...heart disease or just old age. Nobody gets out alive.

My body was made in a wondrous manner and I do better when I listen to what it's telling me and not the 'experts'.

Even eating 900-1200 calories per day with 60-70% fat and less than 20 carbs, I have no trouble with bowel elimination. Every morning, after I've been up and moving for about an hour, I know where I'll be and I don't have problems with constipation. I do drink at least 64 fl oz of liquid (water and caffeine free tea) as well. I think the water and fat are responsible for this.

I don't need to force feed myself excessive amounts of fruit, vegies and artificial fiber drinks (i.e. Metamucil) to create what I see as artificial elimination because it's supposedly good for something else (cholesterol, etc.).

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Yes, I did see the Dr Oz pgm this week where he said to have a teaspoon of Metamucil 3 times a day. I have the jar of Metamucil beside me and it does say an adult can take a level teaspoon 3 times a day to help settle down elimination processes.
The Dr Oz pgm demonstrated how when a cupful of liquid fat is added to a large container of Metamucil and water (which looks like poison jelly fish vomit) it surrounds the fat and according to Dr Oz prevents the fat from settling in the stomach and later being turned into stored fat. So the Metamucil helps you to lose weight because if helps prevent excess fat from being accumulated in the body.
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yes he did say that and so does the jar of Metamucil.
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Yes, I did see the Dr Oz pgm this week where he said to have a teaspoon of Metamucil 3 times a day. I have the jar of Metamucil beside me and it does say an adult can take a level teaspoon 3 times a day to help settle down elimination processes.
The Dr Oz pgm demonstrated how when a cupful of liquid fat is added to a large container of Metamucil and water (which looks like poison jelly fish vomit) it surrounds the fat and according to Dr Oz prevents the fat from settling in the stomach and later being turned into stored fat. So the Metamucil helps you to lose weight because if helps prevent excess fat from being accumulated in the body.
Taking laxatives in order to lose weight is not good for your body - period.
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