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Beeb 05-19-2010 09:36 AM

Hypnosis?
 
I saw a client Monday that I hadn't seen in a couple of years. She had lost quite of bit of weight and when I asked her how she did it, she said Weight Loss Hypnosis.

Then she says this: 'I only eat meat, veggies and fruits'. That is the mantra she says over and over and what she learned in Hypnosis and was told to say when she got hungry or wanted a yucky snack.

My question is this: Don't you think she could have done this herself without the Hypnosis and by just saying the mantra? I think it was just mind over matter and someone (the hypnotist) gave her the idea, but didn't really do anything more. Do some of us need this kind of bought knowledge?

What do you think? :confused:

Joy-FL 05-19-2010 09:47 AM

Hypnosis is extra helpful because of placebo effect. Not saying that it's fake, just that there IS placebo effect.

tybeeanna 05-19-2010 09:47 AM

It is mind over matter If you don't mind it don't matter,j/k:rofl: I have used it years a go and if I could have went back a few times I think it would have stuck. That is just me. I think it is a mind set and some need help getting there.

tulipsandroses 05-19-2010 09:50 AM

I think she definitely could have done it herself without hypnosis but in order for change to happen, one has to be receptive to change and if she wasn't really ready to make changes, she might not have stuck with it. It really is mind over matter. Question is, in the process did she really learn to like and appreciate what her new way of eating does for her?

nicole714 05-19-2010 09:53 AM

I've used several hypnosis programs in the past with great success. I've never done one for weight loss, but the power of suggestion in a meditative state of consciousness can be a powerful tool when the subject believes the message.
If you don't belive it will work, more than likely you'll reject the message and it won't.

I also think that we are "hypnotized" by suggestive messages daily in the media that we are unaware of... think about how visual we are and how powerful it is when we see a sweets and what not in a tv commercial how quickly we begin to crave something.

jezzie 05-19-2010 09:58 AM

If she thinks she can't - she probably can't. The vision precedes the deed.
It was probably worth the money just for her to feel she was being helped.


:dunno:

Ilpirata 05-19-2010 10:05 AM

The deal with hypnosis is that it bypasses your conscious mind and puts the thoughts into your subconscious mind. YES you can move thoughts from your conscious mind into your subconscious *sometimes* by repeating them over and over... it just takes so much longer and your mind throws up barriers. I truly believe that there are more direct and more effective routes to the subconcious (hypnosis and subliminal programming) I've used commercially available products for issues other than weight in the past and the result was unbelievable. EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE.

Leo41 05-19-2010 11:49 AM

I totally believe in the power of hypnosis, but I think this might be a YMMV issue. Two of my sisters (and two of their friends) did a hypnosis program for weight loss several years ago. The program was highly recommended, even by their doctor, but all four had no results whatsoever.

Ironically, one of them took the program because a friend of hers had lost about 50 lbs from participating in the exact same program.

I suspect that some people are better candidates for hypnosis than others.

Mogget 05-19-2010 03:02 PM

A number of factors impact the effectiveness of hypnosis - the receptivity of the client, the type of hypnosis, exposure time, repetition and critically the skill of the hypnotist.

Think of hypnotism as a skill (like hairdressing) rather than an esoteric boogedy hokum event and apply the same critical reasoning to deducing whether it works. A hairstyle can be great but not be your idea of suitable. Your friend's favorite hairdresser may not get the results you want, but you are still better off going with one with a stunning reputation and some good samples of their work than by randomly choosing one from the yellow pages. Choose one that specialises in the result you want, ask for what you want clearly, define what success will look like and make sure you give feedback if it is not achieved.

I have been trained in Ericksonian hypnosis and practising it and training it for over a decade; my experience has been that if the hypnosis hasn't worked it is the fault of the hypnotist, not the methodology. It is also my experience that classical hypnosis (a whole different kettle if fish) is nowhere near as good and this is where the myth of some people not being susceptible to hypnosis comes from. I have seen many classical hypnotists who firmly believed only some people can be hypnotised revise their opinion upon learning Ericksonian hypnosis, and find that they were now effective with previously impossible cases.

Joy-FL 05-19-2010 03:16 PM

Well, Erikson did decide to personally redefine "hypnosis" to mean something much easier.... :laugh:

kgoeslow 05-19-2010 03:21 PM

I really enjoy hypnosis. I started doing it for weight but the real benefit has been that I am better able to relax. I have an easier time falling asleep at night. I really struggled before with shutting down I feel more in tune with myself and less stressed as a result. I'm sure those things do affect my ability to make significant changes in my way of life.

clanger 05-19-2010 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Joy-FL (Post 13496827)
Hypnosis is extra helpful because of placebo effect. Not saying that it's fake, just that there IS placebo effect.

I think there are a lot of fakes out there, though, sporting many a 'doctorate', purchased online from spurious but impressive sounding establishments, on the walls of their offices. It must be infuriating for legitimate practitioners.

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Originally Posted by Mogget (Post 13498442)
A number of factors impact the effectiveness of hypnosis - the receptivity of the client, the type of hypnosis, exposure time, repetition and critically the skill of the hypnotist.

I think this is the key, Mogget. I once tried a hypnotist - he was pathetic, and I'm not at all susceptible or receptive (far to self aware all the time to relax, and am a natural skeptic) so it didn't work, and robbed me of 85 quid :laugh:.

Whether, in the majority of cases, it has any greater effect than repeating a mantra to yourself, I'm extremely doubtful.

Looweewoo 05-19-2010 04:53 PM

I've used self-hypnosis (and occasional professional hypnotists) for various things for over 40 years and I know it works... within limitations. Actual, direct weight loss is outside of it's limits, but overcoming such things as "Oh, I could never go without my coffee cake in the morning" is certainly within it's arena.

Beeb 05-19-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kgoeslow (Post 13498517)
I really enjoy hypnosis. I started doing it for weight but the real benefit has been that I am better able to relax. I have an easier time falling asleep at night. I really struggled before with shutting down I feel more in tune with myself and less stressed as a result. I'm sure those things do affect my ability to make significant changes in my way of life.

This sounds more like meditation, then hypnosis? Correct me, please if I am wrong.

Mogget 05-19-2010 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Joy-FL (Post 13498498)
Well, Erikson did decide to personally redefine "hypnosis" to mean something much easier.... :laugh:

:cool:

ravenrose 05-19-2010 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by beeb (Post 13498832)
This sounds more like meditation, then hypnosis? Correct me, please if I am wrong.

Meditation and self-hypnosis are similar in some superficial ways, but quite different. It's not something that would make sense in a brief explanation, but when they look at brain activity when people are doing them, they are totally different.

In2Win 05-19-2010 09:36 PM

Hypnosis works only if the person really wants or desires the outcome. I.e. you cannot hypnotize someone to jump off a building. As for why anyone would 'need' its help, consider how many people have negative thoughts in their head, like: 'I can't do this', 'I will always be fat', 'I just can't control this'. This negative soundtrack can be hard for people to shake, and as many others have said here, what you tend to believe becomes reality. With the hypnosis, positive suggestions are introduced to combat those negative ones. It is very much a "your mileage may vary" thing. Some people can easily replace negative thoughts with affirming ones, while others require a bit of help that can from hypnosis or even meditation.

kgoeslow 05-20-2010 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by beeb (Post 13498832)
This sounds more like meditation, then hypnosis? Correct me, please if I am wrong.

I go to someone who does the hypnosis business to me. In my post I was describing the effect that this has had on my daily life. I feel that I have gained an ability to meditate in my day to day life through hypnosis. Previously it was impossible for me to relax on my own.

kpk 05-20-2010 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mogget (Post 13498442)
A number of factors impact the effectiveness of hypnosis - the receptivity of the client, the type of hypnosis, exposure time, repetition and critically the skill of the hypnotist.

This^. Years ago, I was selected from a group of volunteers in a Psych class at school. The prof 1st evaluated us as a group for receptivity and chose me.

She gave 2 post hypnotic suggestions. 1) I would laugh in class when ever she scratched her left ear and 2) any test anxiety I had, would vanish. Both worked with the most obvious being how hysterically :hyst::hyst::hyst: I would laugh when she scratched her left ear...totally disrupting the class but nonetheless proving her point. :)

That's the only time I've been hypnotized but I do believe it works.

ironic44 05-20-2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kpk (Post 13501808)
This^. Years ago, I was selected from a group of volunteers in a Psych class at school. The prof 1st evaluated us as a group for receptivity and chose me.

She gave 2 post hypnotic suggestions. 1) I would laugh in class when ever she scratched her left ear and 2) any test anxiety I had, would vanish. Both worked with the most obvious being how hysterically :hyst::hyst::hyst: I would laugh when she scratched her left ear...totally disrupting the class but nonetheless proving her point. :)

That's the only time I've been hypnotized but I do believe it works.

I have seen it work in very extreme ways....my friend was hynotized and made into a board.....he was put on top of the back of 2 chairs that were about 5 feet apart ---then a 180lb man stood on him just like he was a board.....it was crazy.....so I do believe some people can be hypnotized

~PaperMoon~ 04-08-2013 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Beeb (Post 13496765)
I saw a client Monday that I hadn't seen in a couple of years. She had lost quite of bit of weight and when I asked her how she did it, she said Weight Loss Hypnosis.

Then she says this: 'I only eat meat, veggies and fruits'. That is the mantra she says over and over and what she learned in Hypnosis and was told to say when she got hungry or wanted a yucky snack.

My question is this: Don't you think she could have done this herself without the Hypnosis and by just saying the mantra? I think it was just mind over matter and someone (the hypnotist) gave her the idea, but didn't really do anything more. Do some of us need this kind of bought knowledge?

What do you think? :confused:

I agree and I bet she paid a lot for somehtng she could have done herself. :dunno:

fiddlejen 04-08-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nicole714 (Post 13496856)
I also think that we are "hypnotized" by suggestive messages daily in the media that we are unaware of... think about how visual we are and how powerful it is when we see a sweets and what not in a tv commercial how quickly we begin to crave something.

:goodpost:

I think you're absolutely right about this! We subject ourselves to hypnosis daily. If going to a personal hypnotist can counteract all the marketing hype-nosis for someone, then good for them!!

In my late teens I got myself a weight-loss hypnosis tape. I followed all the instructions, and I wanted it to work, but it never seemed to make any difference. And, unfortunately, I seem as susceptible as anyone to pictures of carb-y food...

scmadm 06-25-2013 08:43 PM

In2Win was very close in their understanding. I am a certified hypnotist, by the National Board of Hypnosis Education and Certification, and Omni Hypnosis Training Center.

I can honestly tell you that hypnosis works. Personally, I offer a money back guarantee with my sessions. If you don't obtain the changes you are looking for, then I offer a follow-up session or your money back...no questions asked except to see where I went wrong. It is MY job to ensure before doing any sessions that the client is ready for hypnosis. It works 100% of the time, as long as 3 things are true: a) the client wants to be hypnotized and is truly desiring the change. b) the client has zero fear or reservations about being hypnotized. If you have fear of it, you will not relax and allow it to happen. c) You MUST have the proper mental attitude when I give you the suggestions that YOU want. I explain what that is and what attitudes will not work.

The biggest reason for failure is 2 reasons. People really don't want the change OR they have a fear of being hypnotized. It is MY job to teach you about it and allay that fear and assess whether you really do have a desire for change. Don't assess these things with a good interview/pre-talk with the client and you will have a low success rate.

rubidoux 06-25-2013 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Beeb (Post 13496765)
I saw a client Monday that I hadn't seen in a couple of years. She had lost quite of bit of weight and when I asked her how she did it, she said Weight Loss Hypnosis.

Then she says this: 'I only eat meat, veggies and fruits'. That is the mantra she says over and over and what she learned in Hypnosis and was told to say when she got hungry or wanted a yucky snack.

My question is this: Don't you think she could have done this herself without the Hypnosis and by just saying the mantra? I think it was just mind over matter and someone (the hypnotist) gave her the idea, but didn't really do anything more. Do some of us need this kind of bought knowledge?

What do you think? :confused:

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Originally Posted by ~PaperMoon~ (Post 16360561)
I agree and I bet she paid a lot for somehtng she could have done herself. :dunno:

Do you guys think that her weight loss would have been somehow more impressive if she'd done it on her own? I don't really understand why we shouldn't use all the tools we've got at our disposal.

Taxbane 06-25-2013 10:40 PM

I used to doubt Low Carb/Atkins was effective and healthy. Now that I have spent 2 years practicing it and learning why it works, I can see the results for myself.

Hypnosis is probably similar. While it looks like a scam from the outside, I bet once you start researching it, and practicing it, your opinion will change, especially if it produces a result that is desired.

Also, it seems kind of similar along the lines of personal trainers. Sure people can exercise for themselves, but having someone to keep you accountable, and to encourage and support you, tends to help motivate you to work harder and make better changes. I would think a hypnotist would play a similar role at least, and given that diets play more of a role than exercise does in weight loss, the money may be better spent on a hypnotist than on a personal trainer. :)

nolcjunk 06-26-2013 09:29 AM

Losing weight is hard and maintaining is even harder. If someone credits hypnosis with helping them lose then more power to them for finding something that worked for them.

It is still their own achievement and their own hard work that got them there, so I don't see a point in denigrating their success by saying they relied on hypnosis and could have just done it on their own.

peanutte 06-26-2013 09:42 AM

I would tend to agree. Whatever methods we might employ to guide us or help us, we are still the ones in control and it's our active decisions and behaviors that make things work or not. I'm not against hypnosis. I've heard people say it helped them quit smoking and other things. I am against the idea that there's something out there--supplements, special food combinations, books to read, plans that make all sorts of appealing claims and promises--which we expect will remove the burden of hard work from us. So if hypnosis or therapy or reading materials or anything else were part of somebody's overall determination to change, that's great and I would hope it helped. But we have to do our part and it's an active role.


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