what is wrong with nutritionists?!?!?!?!?

[Blood Sugar 101]

Originally Posted by scandalouslyglam

Since earning my Nursing License I too have considered going back for a degree in Nutrition. BUT...what point would it be if the are teaching me the same old dogma the FDA and USDA put forth?

It is frustrating to say the least.

The FDA doesn't have anything to do with nutrition. The USDA picks up the recommendations of the American Heart Association and the American Diabetes Association, both of whom are heavily supported by companies like General Mills.

The relationship of sponsorship to the way these mega charities behave has never been reported.

Just this week the American Cancer Society (funded heavily by chemical companies) pooh-poohed the idea that industrial pollution causes cancers, though there is a ton of research to suggest this. (It also causes diabetes and obesity. Solid data there, too.) The ACS fought for decades to keep the public from knowing that cigarettes caused cancer, too. Instead they blame "lifestyle" just like the ADA does now.

[fawn]

The FDA while not involved in the nutrition aspect of our food supply is heavy in the ban of raw milk right now so they're getting involved in food.....on a level in which dictates my nutrition freedoms or lack there of I should say.

The statement by the cancer society fried my buns!

[fightfatphobia]

When I had to go to a diabetic training class, they did a personalized diet for everyone in the class based on their weight in hopes of losing 1-2 pounds a week. For me, they recommended 1750 calories and 250 carbs a day. I tried it for a few days and was ravenously hungry and craving sweets ALL DAY. I gave up and now, months later (!), I'm finally giving low-carb another try.

I just don't see how they recommend so many carbs per day for a diabetic. Then again, the programs are funded by insurance companies, who love to keep us fully medicated. Maybe I'm just being cynical...but still.

[Blood Sugar 101]

Originally Posted by fawn

The FDA while not involved in the nutrition aspect of our food supply is heavy in the ban of raw milk right now so they're getting involved in food.....on a level in which dictates my nutrition freedoms or lack there of I should say.

The statement by the cancer society fried my buns!

Raw milk is not entirely banned, but there are huge problems with transporting it and storing it safely. Given the sloppiness in the retail chain you should be glad it isn't for sale. You can buy it at farms. The regulations are to keep it from sitting on sidings, exposed to heat, etc. If that happen some really ugly pathogens grow in the milk extremely fast.

[drjlocarb]

Originally Posted by fawn

The statement by the cancer society fried my buns!

Fried buns!??


Got a recipe for that???

[ravenrose]

I posted this elsewhere, but you might be following this thread and not see it. It's pretty good! There are at least a few people (Nutrition and Metabolism Society, to be more spefific) on the ball with this subject...

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[Faia]

Originally Posted by Blood Sugar 101

Raw milk is not entirely banned, but there are huge problems with transporting it and storing it safely. Given the sloppiness in the retail chain you should be glad it isn't for sale. You can buy it at farms. The regulations are to keep it from sitting on sidings, exposed to heat, etc. If that happen some really ugly pathogens grow in the milk extremely fast.

May vary by state, but around here you can only get raw milk "for animal consumption". The exception being if you own the cow, thus there are a few buying and boarding plans active. You buy the cow, you pay monthly to have it housed and fed at the farm, then you get an amount of "free" milk per week.

But otherwise there is no legal way to "buy" raw milk.

[fawn]

Originally Posted by Blood Sugar 101

Raw milk is not entirely banned, but there are huge problems with transporting it and storing it safely. Given the sloppiness in the retail chain you should be glad it isn't for sale. You can buy it at farms. The regulations are to keep it from sitting on sidings, exposed to heat, etc. If that happen some really ugly pathogens grow in the milk extremely fast.

It's bigger than that Jenny. much more......I don't want to threadjack here though....

[Blood Sugar 101]

It must be a state issue.

In Massachusetts it is completely legal to buy raw milk for your own consumption from the farm. What isn't legal is buying it in quantity and reselling it without a milk distributor's license. Milk distributors have to be inspected and regulated because spoiled unpasteurized milk can kill babies and pregnant ladies.

My partner grew up on a dairy farm. The milk distributors that bought their milk did their own share of inspecting and quality control. I knew a man who was an agronomist who was expert on milk production in the UK and he told me that sanitary inspections in the US are so lax compared to those in the UK where raw milk was sold to the public that it would not be possible to guarantee safety unless a much more stringent inspection system was put in place.

This isn't a situation where you can rely on trust. We see where that gets us in the supplement business. Lots of supplements don't contain what the label says and often contain adulterants and even very cheap generic pharmaceuticals.

To rely on unlicensed distributors for a product that can grow very virulent pathogens would be a mistake. My dad was born in 1905 and tells me that in his childhood it was believed in his family that store bought milk killed children. It probably did.

[fawn]

I'm on the run right now but I'll post the whole thing later today. It is a state by state issue Jenny and the FDA is heavily involved. I just want to be accurate.

I buy my milk from one man who owns one Jersey Cow and I have been on the farm and see his practices. What would make me very nervous which happens with some cow share programs is the rotation of milking. My Cow Share owner is diligent about regulating his sanitation standards.

[Looweewoo]

Originally Posted by scandalouslyglam

Since earning my Nursing License I too have considered going back for a degree in Nutrition. BUT...what point would it be if the are teaching me the same old dogma the FDA and USDA put forth?

Memorizing and regurgitating the same old tired errors can't hurt someone who knows better. But if you get the education complete with the Document... then YOU can be the one stating things from an assumed position of authority, the advantage being you will be stating the facts!


Hmmm... I've been thinking about going back to school...

[Eliza_Jazz]

Originally Posted by Agee

I am a long-term low carber and up until 4 weeks ago have NEVER lost weight doing LC. For 10 years I maintained at 172 (I'm 5'3", female, so certainly not skinny) - tweaked my heart out, did everything I could to break the stall, supplements, eat this, that, not this, not that, and for about a year ran between 20-25 miles/week (this, after several years working out different ways).
After gaining 16 lbs. in 3 months this winter I finally went to the RIGHT doctor and she gave me appropriate tests. Turns out I am pretty seriously insulin resistant. So while I was actually keeping myself from getting worse by lc-ing, I wasn't able to lose weight.
Now I'm on decent medication and am beginning to lose weight.
I believe that most people will become more healthy eating low on the carbs. But for some of us it is not the be all end all in terms of health.

A

Honey, 172 is not severely overweight. You are probably within 20-25 lbs or so of your ideal weight, so what people were wondering about wouldn't apply to someone in your situation.

The lady in question was termed "severely overweight". I guess what people were wondering is how one can be severely overweight (someone like me over 300 lbs, for example), after having followed LC for years.

I am so happy you have found what you need help with, getting the right kind of help, and are on your way to achieving your WL goal.

[Eliza_Jazz]

My SIL is diabetic and she doesn't deny herself any carbs. Doctor put her on medications and told her that moderation is the key to success. So she pretty much eats anything and everything.

Just the other day at home she ate a giant Twix bar (king size). We have had conversations about LC, but she says that according to her doctor, that extreme is not necessary. Oatmeal and sugarated yogurt are her usual breakfast.

I am upset with the doctor, because he is giving her permission to harm herself with excessive carbohydrates. The medical profession has a looooong way to go in the nutrition department as far as I am concerned.

225 carbs per day! This is crazy for a recommendation for a diabetic!

[Blood Sugar 101]

Recommendations like the one your SIL received from her doctor is the reason why doctors expect ALL patients with diabetes to have a) impaired immune systems b) heart disease c) nerve damage d) eye problems and e) failing kidneys.

And they do.

The drug companies and the junk food companies have made sure that ALL the "health" charities like ADA, the American Heart Association, and the American Cancer Society keep the public from learning any "inconvenient truths" that might cause them to stop buying their products.

Meanwhile lives are tragically shortened and filled with suffering. We in the online diabetes community do what we can but you won't ever see us on TV or in a magazine.

[snooks86]

I really don't get it. My aunt was hospitalized for Type 2 diabetes, and the doctor put her on a low fat, high carb diet. She buys everything low fat, but still gorges on tons of simple, carbs.

[scandalouslyglam]

I don't get it either. My husband is type1 Diabetic and he HAS to have sugary/carby things around because if his blood sugar gets too low he needs that quick fix but...

Type2 Diabetics being told it's ok to consume Carbohydrates and Sugar as long as they eat LOW fat sounds like Poison to me.

[Agee]

Honey, 172 is not severely overweight. You are probably within 20-25 lbs or so of your ideal weight, so what people were wondering about wouldn't apply to someone in your situation.

I never said I was "severely overweight," although according to the BMI charts I am obese and have been for at least 10 years. Not sure where your comment is coming from. Honestly, weighing 40-50 lbs more than I should and doing everything "right" for almost 10 years now is a problem, don't you think? And then gaining 5 lbs a month for 3 months running? I may not weigh over 300 lbs but if I were to gain at that rate and NOT see a doctor I would weigh 300+ in a couple of years, which is where all the adults on my dad's side ended up by the time they were each 50 years old.
The OP was talking about her friend who did everything "right" yet still had health problems, and people wondered how that could be possible if she ate LC. I said that I am living proof that it's possible. Luckily I found a doctor who would listen to me after "only" 10 years of struggling and then and developing insulin resistance despite eating LC. Should I have waited until I gained 100 lbs and became diabetic before I sought appropriate medical care?
Please don't tell me I'm not fat enough to be in the conversation...
A

[scandalouslyglam]

Originally Posted by Agee

I never said I was "severely overweight," although according to the BMI charts I am obese and have been for at least 10 years. Not sure where your comment is coming from. Honestly, weighing 40-50 lbs more than I should and doing everything "right" for almost 10 years now is a problem, don't you think? And then gaining 5 lbs a month for 3 months running? I may not weigh over 300 lbs but if I were to gain at that rate and NOT see a doctor I would weigh 300+ in a couple of years, which is where all the adults on my dad's side ended up by the time they were each 50 years old.
The OP was talking about her friend who did everything "right" yet still had health problems, and people wondered how that could be possible if she ate LC. I said that I am living proof that it's possible. Luckily I found a doctor who would listen to me after "only" 10 years of struggling and then and developing insulin resistance despite eating LC. Should I have waited until I gained 100 lbs and became diabetic before I sought appropriate medical care?
Please don't tell me I'm not fat enough to be in the conversation...
A

It's all about perspective..."Right" way....who's way IS the "Right" way our bodies are amazing, miraculous puzzles. Good luck to you Agee!! I am sure you are frustrated beyond belief. Keep up the good fight.

[Eliza_Jazz]

Originally Posted by Agee

Please don't tell me I'm not fat enough to be in the conversation...
A

I am not sure where all this is coming from ... I was paying you a compliment for keeping yourself in shape and taking care of yourself! How did that turn into you should have let yourself go, etc. in order to have a voice in this conversation? This is crazy...

We all get touchy when it gets to our fight to lose weight, so I will work hard to try and understand your reaction.

We are all (slimmer and heavier alike) in this conversation and everyone has something great to contribute. I actually enjoyed reading your post a lot and admire you for working so hard and keeping yourself in shape, as well as finding the right kind of medical care for yourself.

[Eliza_Jazz]

Originally Posted by Blood Sugar 101

Recommendations like the one your SIL received from her doctor is the reason why doctors expect ALL patients with diabetes to have a) impaired immune systems b) heart disease c) nerve damage d) eye problems and e) failing kidneys.

And they do.

The drug companies and the junk food companies have made sure that ALL the "health" charities like ADA, the American Heart Association, and the American Cancer Society keep the public from learning any "inconvenient truths" that might cause them to stop buying their products.

Meanwhile lives are tragically shortened and filled with suffering. We in the online diabetes community do what we can but you won't ever see us on TV or in a magazine.

Isn't this sad? I just wish that more people would be more open-minded and not view their physician as 100% correct always. I wish more Diabetics would question and seek at least a second opinion or more information. Physicians are people too and they can be incorrect sometimes.

I am not diabetic, however I always make sure and say my piece if I came across one and they were willing to take a minute and listen. All we can do is disseminate the information and hope that at least some will give LCing a try. Especially for the sake of young children with Diabetes who rely on their parents to keep them safe and healthy.

An in-law of mine was in the beginning stages of adult-onset diabetes about 6 years ago. While in the grocery store one day, he came across Protein Power. He bought the book to check it out and decided to give it a try. The rest is history ... He is now much slimmer and healthier than he was and takes no insulin or medication. Had he listened to his physician alone, he would most likely be insulin dependent by now.

[charlielou]

I was diagnosed T2 based on one fasting BG of 7.1 and an A1C of 6.3. I didn't change anything in the first 40 days (except cut back binging on chips). The last 14 of that 40 days I was tracking for the nurse and dietician and they weren't sure why I was there. I was stunned to find how high my postprandial readings were although they were happy with them. I simply didn't let them give me there diet recommendations - told them I would be doing South Beach. Got myself all set up to start SB and then decided I couldn't do the low fat. I simply told the RD that I would not eat margarine or low fat cheese - I'd rather go hungry than eat cheese that didn't even smell like cheese. She doesn't know I am doing Atkins. People have told me I'm pigheaded and always push to do things my way but in this case I know I am right. anyway my 90 day average which includes 20 of those first 40 days is 6.4. 30 day is 6.0 and 14 day is 5.6 and I test at a variety of times 3-6 times per day. Since March 20 I have fallen off a couple of times but have improved my avg BG and lost 28 lbs.

But contrary to what many pple expect or experience, LC and losing weight has never had more than a small effect on my hypertension and no change in the sleep apnea even after losing 104 lbs.

[Blood Sugar 101]

Charlielou,

LC never did anything for my blood pressure either, but that is because it seems to be caused by problems related to various interacting hormones.

[clackley]

Some people experience lowered blood pressure due to weight loss and some don't but it is lossing weight that is the factor - no?

[Looweewoo]

Originally Posted by clackley

Some people experience lowered blood pressure due to weight loss and some don't but it is lossing weight that is the factor - no?

My understanding is that a large part of it is from the loss of inflammation in the body.

[clackley]

Originally Posted by Looweewoo

My understanding is that a large part of it is from the loss of inflammation in the body.

I didn't take this into consideration but it makes sense to a degree. But after l/c for 6 months you would expect that the inflammation would have been resolved and from there on weight loss would be the key factor?? No? Or does inflammation continue to abate with more time?

[Amity79]

I had the same situation as your friend. I went from captian of the volloyball team to over 350 lbs in less than a year, high blood pressure, diabetic, and could not lose it at all no matter what I tried. Low carbing merely slowed down the gain and kept my blood sugar in check without meds. (I refused to take them - did low carb and supplemments) After 12 years of this, countless idiot doctors, I finally did my own research and finally figured out it was Cushing's Disease. It is considered so rare few doctors know anything about it or how to test for it. I hope that your friends doctors are looking into this, but knowing my own story, and hundred of other cushing's cases, I wouldn't count on it!! And even if they are, the may dismiss it by doing the wrong test for her or at the wrong time, since the disease is so very often cyclical. Please feel free to pm me if you want to know more.

I was finally cured in December - 5 months out and I am 60 lbs down, blood sugar normal, blood pressure low side of normal, aches and pains gone, muscle mass regenerating, so many symptoms that have improved I can't even think of them all. I do believe this disease is WAYYYY more common than doctors believe - PLEASE look into it!!!!