so what is so bad about soy oil?

[momof9]

in the new atkins book they mention getting canola oil or olive oil based mayo. they said to avoid the others because they are soy oil based but didn't say what was bad about soy oil. it can't just be because its soy because they mention all of the other soy products that are ok. the canola based has more carbs i think and i was just wondering if anyone knew why. Thanks

[jezzie]

I can't speak for what the author thinks.

I think a combination of canola and olive oil tastes good. And olive oil has omega 9.
(But I do eat other soy products.)


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[Inglorious]

I'm a bit confused over the whole soy issue as well. I've heard it's horrible, I've heard it's not. I just sort of avoid it to be safe if I think about it, but I'm not obsessive about the avoidance.

[clackley]

Soy has an array of toxins. I avoid it as best I can. It is in a lot of things.

Fortunately, soy sauce is exempt from this due to the way it is processed.

[teri f]

Unfortunately, soy is in almost every processed product known to man. Its neck and neck with HFCS and just as bad for health. One of the problems with soy is it is harmful to your thyroid. All processed vegetable oils are harmful to cardiovascular health and I eliminated them from my diet. I use butter, coconut oil, and animal fat only. I've read that grapeseed oil is good but I don't have any experience with that. The best thing to do is google harmful affects of soy and vegetable oils and read for yourself.

[lisabinil]

https://www.westonaprice.org/The-Ploy-of-Soy.html

[Indychick829]

i try to stay away from soy as I have heard and read many bad things about it. But one thing i'm also confused on is the canola oil thing...i've heard (and even asked here on LCF) that IT is bad for you too!

but for me - one thing i've learned, you pick and choose your battles - if I were to stay away from EVERYTHING I've heard is "bad" for me, I wouldn't be able to eat ANYTHING!

my personal opinion - I try to stay away from soy.

[clackley]

Originally Posted by Indychick829

but for me - one thing i've learned, you pick and choose your battles - if I were to stay away from EVERYTHING I've heard is "bad" for me, I wouldn't be able to eat ANYTHING!

So true!!!!

[momof9]

thanks for the feedback. i have heard of the thyroid thing from my husband. once i finish the jar i will switch to olive oil . i think grapeseed is canola oil. they changed the name to be more appealing...if i remember correctly.

[HerBoudoir]

Originally Posted by momof9

thanks for the feedback. i have heard of the thyroid thing from my husband. once i finish the jar i will switch to olive oil . i think grapeseed is canola oil. they changed the name to be more appealing...if i remember correctly.

That would be rapeseed oil = canola oil. Grapeseed oil is a different oil altogether :-)

I can see where "canola" is a lot nicer sounding than "rapeseed".

[jean106]

I saw a show called Food Inc. I tells about how they changed the dna buy adding dna that when the plant was sprayed with herbicides they didn't die. It also reported that butterflies that fed on it the plant died. So if you like soybeans make sure they are organic. Organic that it has not be altered in any way. some scary stuff out there

[In2Win]

Originally Posted by Indychick829

i try But one thing i'm also confused on is the canola oil thing...i've heard (and even asked here on LCF) that IT is bad for you too!

Watch the short video on this page (about 5 mins length) they talk about the different oils, canola oil is about 4 mins in. It is genetically manipulated rapeseed oil, manufactured in Canada. They talk about heart lesions, sticky platelets (stroke risk) etc. Short but enlightening vid. They say coconut oil & olive are fine though.
Fat Head » CSPI’s Latest Screamer 5 min video mid page

[Synesthetic]

Keep in mind that all of these studies about the "dangers" of soy can be debunked (and have been) faster than you can say "witch hunt". So please do your own research and make up your own mind before listening to the very vocal anti-soy camp.

Here just for fun:

Truth About Soy -- Debunking the Myth.
Soy Controversy, Debunking The Myth A Raw Story
The Anti-Soy Madness - Debunking the anti-soy arguments. | Aviva.ca

More fun facts!

1) There is not one molecule of estrogen in any soy product. Not one! Isoflavones are not estrogens. The ability of the soybean has long been recognized as an “adaptogen”, meaning it will improve estrogen levels in women who need it and block estrogen use in women with high levels.

2) Weston Price [ed: the organization responsible for the core of the anti-soy nonsense] is a marketing arm of the American Dairy Association. Though their claims of not accepting funds from the ADA are accurate, they are funded almost in whole by individual dairy farmer donations. They rose after the popularity of soy milk as an alternative to milk. Always follow the money trail.

It is of course true that highly processed or genetically modified foods should be avoided. But the the current scare tactics against soy are a laughable farce.

Please do your own research. If you end up disagreeing with me that is fine! But don't just give in to the hysteria. Tomorrow everyone will be hysterical about something else.

[fawn]

Soybean Oil is highly inflammatory. It's a rancid, oxidized product.

Fermented organic soy is just fine

conventional soy on the other hand is junk food

Weston Price is a non-profit organization I trust a great deal.

There are far too many cases of bodily disruptions from soy that the information above doesn't confirm anything for me.

Just take the case of the Illinois State Prison System. That in and of itself is enough for me.

The hysteria over soy is very real.

[lisabinil]

Soy is a highly goitrogenic food for those of us with thyroid issues and that's not a myth.

[fawn]

The Whole Soy Story by Kayyla Daniel is a valuable read

By the way, she's a clinical nutritionist working to repair the damaged gut lining of many vegetarians who consumed soy products.

[Blood Sugar 101]

Sorry,

But the dangers of soy are very well documented in mainstream sources. You are falling for the hype of the same industry sources that tell you how healthy HFCS and "healhty whole grains" are.

There are a ton of studies documented in the book The Whole Soy Story, by Kaayla Daniel, Ph.D. and unless you read the actual book, rather than a summary, you won't get the sheer weight of the evidence supporting it

I gave my son soy formula and saw him develop most of the effects that Daniel documents, some of them permanent and quite troubling.

The connection with thyroid is mentioned by many endocrinologists. And the connection with leaky gut makes me think that the invasion of our food supply by soy has a lot to do with the huge spike in autoimmune diseases especially Type 1 diabetes.

Originally Posted by Synesthetic

Keep in mind that all of these studies about the "dangers" of soy can be debunked (and have been) faster than you can say "witch hunt". So please do your own research and make up your own mind before listening to the very vocal anti-soy camp.

Here just for fun:

Truth About Soy -- Debunking the Myth.
Soy Controversy, Debunking The Myth A Raw Story
The Anti-Soy Madness - Debunking the anti-soy arguments. | Aviva.ca

More fun facts!

1) There is not one molecule of estrogen in any soy product. Not one! Isoflavones are not estrogens. The ability of the soybean has long been recognized as an “adaptogen”, meaning it will improve estrogen levels in women who need it and block estrogen use in women with high levels.

2) Weston Price [ed: the organization responsible for the core of the anti-soy nonsense] is a marketing arm of the American Dairy Association. Though their claims of not accepting funds from the ADA are accurate, they are funded almost in whole by individual dairy farmer donations. They rose after the popularity of soy milk as an alternative to milk. Always follow the money trail.

It is of course true that highly processed or genetically modified foods should be avoided. But the the current scare tactics against soy are a laughable farce.

Please do your own research. If you end up disagreeing with me that is fine! But don't just give in to the hysteria. Tomorrow everyone will be hysterical about something else.

[fawn]

The vegetarian community works hard to defend their "meat choice"

[Synesthetic]

Look, I've read the same literature you guys have. I've made my own decisions. Have fun.

[debkeversole]

i can't speak for anyone else but soy products seem to help me YMMV

[livinlarge]

Originally Posted by debkeversole

i can't speak for anyone else but soy products seem to help me YMMV

I am being extremely nosey, but "help" you in what way?

[ravenrose]

As to the OP's question, NAFANY doesn't seem concerned about soy in general, so I believe their restriction has to do with the better balance of omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids in other oils. Soy oil contributes to the excess omega 6 problem most American's struggle with.

I'm not disagreeing with the other posters, but I don't think THEIR reasons were NAFANY's reasons.

[Mule_Freak]

See I get confused on Soy too. I've a low thyroid and take Synthroid for it, but I still love & eat tofu, other soy products.
My mum was low thyroid and took the same meds I do, never had issues with weight?
So a very innocent question: is it bad for some and maybe not so for others? Thanks

[cyberus]

Originally Posted by clackley

Soy has an array of toxins. I avoid it as best I can. It is in a lot of things.

Fortunately, soy sauce is exempt from this due to the way it is processed.

Only if its fermented soy sauce aka Kikoman , most of the krap sold in the US us acid hydrolyzed soy protein (check wiki for details). Now I use that stuff in a pinch I do avoid it cuz there is no real regulation on its manufacture.

[lancer1977]

Originally Posted by In2Win

Watch the short video on this page (about 5 mins length) they talk about the different oils, canola oil is about 4 mins in. It is genetically manipulated rapeseed oil, manufactured in Canada. They talk about heart lesions, sticky platelets (stroke risk) etc. Short but enlightening vid. They say coconut oil & olive are fine though.
Fat Head » CSPI’s Latest Screamer 5 min video mid page

Ditto

[clackley]

Originally Posted by cyberus

Only if its fermented soy sauce aka Kikoman , most of the krap sold in the US us acid hydrolyzed soy protein (check wiki for details). Now I use that stuff in a pinch I do avoid it cuz there is no real regulation on its manufacture.

Yup, that is the brand I use!

[Strawberry]

Just take the case of the Illinois State Prison System. That in and of itself is enough for me.

I'm so curious... what happened in the Illinois Prison? Something related to soy?

[oyvey]

Originally Posted by Strawberry

I'm so curious... what happened in the Illinois Prison? Something related to soy?

Illinois Inmates Sue Prison For Serving Too Much Soy | News One

It was a big story when it started to come out.

[nolcjunk]

Originally Posted by oyvey

Illinois Inmates Sue Prison For Serving Too Much Soy | News One

It was a big story when it started to come out.

they should serve it to the sex offenders to reduce their testosterone.

[2bflawless]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Soy is a highly goitrogenic food for those of us with thyroid issues and that's not a myth.

This.