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Old 02-28-2010, 09:50 AM   #1
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Carbs in Coconut Oil???

I got my first virgin coconut oil yesterday, organic, expeller pressed. My first reaction was, this stuff sure is sweet for 100% fat...

This morning I put some in my flax muffin. My blood sugar rose like I'd had more carbs than I believe I did for breakfast.

I'm intentionally not telling you the brand, because I don't want this to degenerate into a brand discussion. I want to know for the type you use, how sweet does it taste to you? And has anyone else noticed it affecting their blood sugar?

I take it that the majority of users (who of course don't test their blood sugar) believe it enhances weight loss, if anything, right?

I will try other brands, but I'm wondering if this stuff is as carb free as the label says.
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It is just a pure fat so there aren't any carbs in it (unless it's some kinda weird and shady brand that has additives).

I love tropical traditions- the oil and the coconut cream concentrate. The oil doesn't taste sweet to me but the cream does(carbier).

I think many foods that don't have carbs can taste sweet, especially if you have a really pure diet and aren't eating sweets. I had a pastured chicken the other day that tasted positively sweet and I made it myself with just salt.
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Interesting question, RavenRose. I just tasted a bit of my TT virgin coconut oil and it didn't taste sweet to me. Actually, the aftertaste was (of course) of coconut and maybe it was a tiny, tiny bit sweet. Could that just be the coconut's natural sweetness and not added sugar? I would suspect another ingredient in your dish for the rise in BS.
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coconut oil isn't heat rendered, right? like how you render fat for soap making...(boil it in water then cool and the fat solidifies at the top)... coconut has sugars in it naturally, but that would separate along with the watery parts even if it isn't heat rendered, right? unless its emulsified and then i think any emulsifier would have to be listed under the ingredients and you'd see it then...

seems weird. i have to admit that i am curious to the brand name cause i am about to buy a good bit of it and i don't want to find out i paid a good deal of money for something i can't eat.

i already have enough coconut oil that i can use for soap (it picked up some off flavors from being stored near perfumey stuff and so it was cheap)
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I know coconut is naturally sweet, but the natural sweetness is no doubt due to its natural sugars. I wasn't suggesting it had added sugars, simply that the extraction process might not remove all of the natural sugars.

I'm not intimately familiar with the "expeller pressed" process. Perhaps it makes it impossible the sugars stay in the fat, perhaps not. Does anyone know? The Wikipedia article on the subject sheds no light on the purity of the extracted material.

This was the Whole Foods brand, 365. The source is The Philippines. There is no other indication who makes this private label product, but it's probably one of the brands we are familiar with, right?

I just wonder about "unrefined." As I read more about the process, it sounds like the unrefined oils may not be quite as pure fat. Usually they are heated after extraction to drive out any lingering water. If water lingers, it would probably have traces of other stuff in it too, which would stay in the oil after the water was removed through heating.

That muffin recipe is something I make almost every day, so I am familiar with the other ingredients. I'm not that dumb, I HOPE.
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It is just a pure fat so there aren't any carbs in it (unless it's some kinda weird and shady brand that has additives).

I love tropical traditions- the oil and the coconut cream concentrate. The oil doesn't taste sweet to me but the cream does(carbier).

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hmmm, now i am curious to see if the same thing happens to me. but i use the vitamin shoppe brand. and it doesn't taste sweet imho.
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Lots of things taste sweet to me that didn't before, I make coconut bark candy with no sweetener. But it's not carbs, it's my tongue.

If your blood sugar rises, it can easily be because of a pavlovian response. Maybe it was something else, but it might just be your brain playing volleyball with your body.
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I've used nutiva extra virgin coconut oil for almost 3 years now. It doesn't taste sweet and doesn't have carbs. Hope you figure out what's going on Ravenrose.
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Thanks everyone.

I understand what you are saying Louis, but I my blood sugar is so predictable I don't think that happens much to me. I might be getting sick. That's the other time blood sugar goes up without apparent reason.
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I'm with Teri on that one. What are the ingredients ravenrose
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I've used nutiva extra virgin coconut oil for almost 3 years now. It doesn't taste sweet and doesn't have carbs. Hope you figure out what's going on Ravenrose.
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It's coconut oil! That's what the ingredients are. Otherwise it would be something else, right?
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lol Just checking. I love my coconut oil, I hope you can figure it out. You know your stuff so I am sure you will.
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Shouldn't have any carbs in it. Unfortunately, I gained 4 lbs in the two weeks that I added 3 tbsp of EVCO daily. I've stopped my intake and I'll have to approach it again some other time to see if I get the same results. I did sub it for butter and other calories so it wasn't all net-add calories
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How true. I shudder to hear the weight gain stuff! I have suddenly regained almost my whole Feb. loss, and it's held that way for three days. That was before the CO was added, so that would just add insult to injury. I know it will come off again, but it's still alarming!
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Carbs in coconut oil

I use Wilderness Family Naturals brand coconut oil. I always melt it first when adding it to my mixed eggs I use to make omelettes and I notice nothing but clear oil. If mine had any added sugar, the sugar would float to the top since oil and sugar do not dissolve in each other.

If you have a friend with a glucose meter, an interesting experiment would be to take measurements of your blood sugar an hour and two hours after you eat a couple of tablespoons of nothing but coconut oil.

Some of the fatty acids that coconut oil is comprised of are short- and medium-chain fatty acids and are absorbed directly from the small intestine, unlike the longer-chain fatty acids which do not hit the blood stream for a couple of hours. However, those short- and medium-chain fatty acids should not significantly affect blood sugar, at least theoretically.
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I've used nutiva extra virgin coconut oil for almost 3 years now. It doesn't taste sweet and doesn't have carbs. Hope you figure out what's going on Ravenrose.
I've used 3 different brands including the one listed above and none of them had any sweetness to them at all. I've never tried the whole foods brand but I would suggest trying a different brand.
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So yesterday, recalling the discussion in this thread, I decided to look at my current jar of coconut oil.

(Note: I usually use Nutiva, but saw a new brand at the Middle Eastern grocery in my neighborhood and decided to try it.)

The brand is Ultimate Superfoods Organic Raw Virgin Coconut Oil. When I looked at the nutrition label--something I obviously did not do when I bought it--I NEARLY PASSED OUT! Here's what it says:

Serving size - 1 T.
Calories - 70
Calories from fat - 20 (ah, there's a warning of what is to come...)
Total Fat - 12.5 g. (and it goes on to list all the individual saturated fats, plus mono and unsaturated)

and now for the clincher:

TOTAL CARBOHYDRATE - 11 GRAMS

At the bottom, below the nutrition info, it says
Ingredients: 100% Raw Organic Coconut Oil

So, i had been adding 11 to 22, or more, grams of carbs to my diet every day for at least two weeks now. I am simply flummoxed. Amazingly, I haven't gained any weight, but man, what a shock!

So check your label!! The mysteries of coconut oil are far more complex than this girl had realized!
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that seems shady- why only 70 calories? It should be 120 per tablespoon./ They must be adding something to account for the carbs and the lower fat.
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So yesterday, recalling the discussion in this thread, I decided to look at my current jar of coconut oil.

(Note: I usually use Nutiva, but saw a new brand at the Middle Eastern grocery in my neighborhood and decided to try it.)

The brand is Ultimate Superfoods Organic Raw Virgin Coconut Oil. When I looked at the nutrition label--something I obviously did not do when I bought it--I NEARLY PASSED OUT! Here's what it says:

Serving size - 1 T.
Calories - 70
Calories from fat - 20 (ah, there's a warning of what is to come...)
Total Fat - 12.5 g. (and it goes on to list all the individual saturated fats, plus mono and unsaturated)

and now for the clincher:

TOTAL CARBOHYDRATE - 11 GRAMS

At the bottom, below the nutrition info, it says
Ingredients: 100% Raw Organic Coconut Oil

So, i had been adding 11 to 22, or more, grams of carbs to my diet every day for at least two weeks now. I am simply flummoxed. Amazingly, I haven't gained any weight, but man, what a shock!

So check your label!! The mysteries of coconut oil are far more complex than this girl had realized!
To me that sounds like what we call Coconut cream.. maybe other countries call it Coconut oil?

Did it list any fiber?


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That label does not even add up.. if it is 12.5 grams of fat that equals 112 calories.. strange.

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that would make more sense but even for cream it is still insanely carby. My TT brand cream concentrate is 1 per teaspoon, so 3 per tablespoon. And, 90 cals per tablespoon.

It seems like their labeling info is off.
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I got my first virgin coconut oil yesterday, organic, expeller pressed. My first reaction was, this stuff sure is sweet for 100% fat...

This morning I put some in my flax muffin. My blood sugar rose like I'd had more carbs than I believe I did for breakfast.

I'm intentionally not telling you the brand, because I don't want this to degenerate into a brand discussion. I want to know for the type you use, how sweet does it taste to you? And has anyone else noticed it affecting their blood sugar?

I take it that the majority of users (who of course don't test their blood sugar) believe it enhances weight loss, if anything, right?

I will try other brands, but I'm wondering if this stuff is as carb free as the label says.
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Yep, the label is a real mystery. Oh, and the product is made in California, so it's not an import.

And if only 20 of those 70 calories are fat, what nutrient could possibly make up the other 50 calories? It says it has zero grams of carbs from sugar, and zero grams from fiber.

I'm thinking that because it is raw, it must have some actually coconut meat or milk in it. But wouldn't that mean there'd be some fiber?

Quite the mystery, but I feel like a real moron for eating something daily for two weeks without looking at the label.

Here is the product information about the product that I bought, taken from that company's website:

"Ultimate Superfoods Raw Centrifuge Coconut Oil

Ultimate SuperFoods Raw Centrifuge Coconut Oil is organic and extracted by centrifuge creating the purest oil available anywhere. Coconut Oil is a colorless to pale brownish yellow oil that has a melting point ranging from 73°F to 78°F. It has been described as the "Healthiest Oil on Earth." Coconut oil is composed mainly of medium-chain-fatty-acids (MCFA) with 86.5% saturated fatty acids, 5.8% monounsaturated fatty acids, and 1.8% polyunsaturated fatty acids. It is the world's ONLY low-calorie fat! Of the saturated fatty acids, coconut oil is primarily 44.6% lauric acid, 16.8% myristic acid, and 8.2% palmitic acid. In comparison to most oils, coconut oil has a long shelf life of up to three years, which is due to its natural ability to not be affected by fluctuating temperature and oxidation. Among the most stable of all oils, coconut oil is slow to oxidize and thus resistant to rancidity.

Ultimate Superfoods Raw Centrifuge Virgin Coconut Oil comes from fresh coconuts that do not undergo a refining process. Most virgin coconut oils on the market go through one of two processes to extract the oil from the coconut. Ultimate Superfoods Raw Centrifuge Virgin Coconut Oil is unique from other virgin coconut oils because it does not go through either the “quick drying” or “wet-milling” processes. Instead, we use centrifugal extraction to derive the oil from the coconut. This method of extraction requires no heat at all and produces oil that is absolutely amazing!

Since our coconut supplier owns the USDA Certified Organic coconut plantation, we are able to provide coconuts that are harvested at the perfect age. The coconuts are delivered on the same day to the processing plant, which is located inside the coconut plantation. The coconuts are then de-husked and grated, and the fresh coconut meat is cold-pressed and filtered. This process preserves the live enzymes, lauric acid, and all the other immune system building nutrients. Except for picking and opening the nut, there is little human handling in our process. Stainless steel mechanical equipment is used in order to provide a sanitary controlled environment in the processing plant. The coconut oil is strained and immediately bottled. No chemicals or preservatives are added. You only get pure unadulterated Virgin Coconut Oil.
Ultimate Superfoods Coconut Oil is organic and extracted by centrifuge creating the purest oil available anywhere.
It is composed mainly of medium-chain-fatty-acids (MCFA) with 86.5% saturated fatty acids, 5.8% monounsaturated fatty acids, and 1.8% polyunsaturated fatty acids.
Composed primarily 44.6% lauric acid, which is used by the body to make disease-fighting fatty acids.
Coconut oil is slow to oxidize, and thus resistant to rancidity.
Uses: For cooking, in place of any oils; for baking and making smoothies; in the shower as a shaving gel and a deep conditioner for your hair; after showers as a lotion."




Anyway, I repeat, read your labels carefully if you are using coconut oil!

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Man, Verb! Quite a lesson in checking the labels (and actually paying attention to them) - thank you for the reminder.
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I've used nutiva extra virgin coconut oil for almost 3 years now. It doesn't taste sweet and doesn't have carbs. Hope you figure out what's going on Ravenrose.
Now here is something very weird about this brand you use. I went to a site that sells it and when I scrolled down to read the nutritional counts on this; calories, fat, carbs, etc. it said 14 carbs! They happened to have a live chat and I went on there, 2 different times with 2 different customer service people, to find out why this product has carbs when coconut oil does not have carbs.

The answer I got both times.....must be a typo! Needless to say I didn't buy this product from that site, but from our good friends at Netrition. They would at least have had an answer for me!!
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From verbqueen: The brand is Ultimate Superfoods Organic Raw Virgin Coconut Oil. When I looked at the nutrition label--something I obviously did not do when I bought it--I NEARLY PASSED OUT! Here's what it says:

Serving size - 1 T.
Calories - 70
Calories from fat - 20 (ah, there's a warning of what is to come...)
Total Fat - 12.5 g. (and it goes on to list all the individual saturated fats, plus mono and unsaturated)


That is a totally whacked nutrition analysis, as you say. If it acts like pure oil, it probably is. I have a very hard time believing the carb count, and an even harder time believing the calorie count! The only way it could be that low is to have a bunch of water in it, right? To dilute the calories.
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Go here and look at the nutrition label posted. THIS one looks right. Exactly what it should be.

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