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Old 10-24-2009, 05:38 PM   #1
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KETOSIS...fruits and vegetables?

I know when starting ketosis you shouldn't eat fruits, but I heard vegetables slow ketosis too? I'm eating spinach, that's about it.

Anyone in ketosis eating substantial veggies?
and when can i eat fruit again?
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Old 10-24-2009, 06:04 PM   #2
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I know when starting ketosis you shouldn't eat fruits, but I heard vegetables slow ketosis too? I'm eating spinach, that's about it.

Anyone in ketosis eating substantial veggies?
and when can i eat fruit again?
It depends. What plan are you following?

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Neither fruit nor vegetables prevent ketosis, but rather the amount of carbs you eat. If you eat enough vegetables, even the lowest carb vegetables, it will stop ketosis, while a small amount of fruit might not.

It depends on your body weight, and the actual number of carbs.
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loo- ok thanks!

rose- i'm not really on a plan, just trying to get and stay in ketosis
is that bad?
im just eating no/low carbs
like today:
-slices turkey cold cuts w/ mustard
-sashimi
-celery/cream cheese
-2 spoonfuls of peanut butter (is this alright? its like 3g c)
-eggs/spinach/onions

practically no carbs
i should probably get an official atkins or plan/book...?
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You need to get on a plan! Read the book, and follow the plan. Otherwise, you are missing out on important nutrients, fiber, etc. Also, take a good multivitamin.

You can't do this by just making it up as you go.
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Yea, I've been pretty much making it up as I go
I'm less bored and feel less controlled
Get pretty much all my info on here/research/
But i'll try a plan ahaha
which book do you recommend?
also i take a lot of vitamins- multivitamin, sugar balancer, thyroid stuff, iron, vD..
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Yes, I think you'll do better long term if you have a plan to follow. Most people on the mail lobby follow Atkins, but there are many reliable, workable plans. Protein Power, South Beach, Sugar Busters. Picking bits and pieces of this and that just doesn't work. Maybe go to the library and pick up some books and read. There is more to health and weight loss than ketosis and you don't have to be in ketosis to lose weight, btw. No offense, but your menu for today doesn't look very balanced and IMO you can't keep that up for very long.
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Really? i thought you had to be in ketosis
ok ill def get a atkins book
what do you usually eat?
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Really? i thought you had to be in ketosis
ok ill def get a atkins book
what do you usually eat?
I follow South Beach by the book and I've lost almost 50 lbs and I've never been in ketosis in my life. Honestly, If you're serious about this, pick a plan, get the book, do what it says and you will be far ahead long term. Best wishes.
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congrats on the 50
how long did it take you?
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Maybe 8-9 months and I've been maintaining ever since. You have to want it.
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Technically, everyone is in ketosis every night (almost). You don't have to be in constant ketosis as measured by ketostix to lose weight, but since ketones are one of the results of lost fat, if you lost a lot of fat, you were "in ketosis" one way or another.

I agree that too much emphasis is put on being in and staying in ketosis, especially since we can't really tell when we are or are not in it. All we can measure is when we are excreting excess ketones.

(That said, I vaguely remember someone posting something about diagnosing ketosis another way, maybe body temp or something?)
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I would say that Atkins is the most well-known LC WOE (Low Carb; Way Of Eating) and that's the one I'm following.

What convinced me?

Dr A was a dedicated cardiologist who researched diet to help his overweight heart patients.

I figured that Humans, in the days of hunting and gathering, must have lived on meat, fish, fruit, nuts and leaves. In the grand scheme of Evolution, people have only been around for a miniscule amount of time, therefore our bodies are much more able to deal with our original-style diet than modern processed 'food'.

Dr A backs up his theory with 24.5 pages of references to scientific research papers.

Since the end of September, when I started, seriously, to address my dietery health, I have lost 14lbs, without ever being hungry; my mood has noticeably lifted, despite some family turbulence; oedema in my ankles has disappeared; and I have lost 3in off my waist.

Check out the 'information' page at the beginning of any plans on here that interest you; get a 'feel' of each and what it involves; choose the one that suits your tastes and life-style; then buy the book.

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oedema in my ankles has disappeared;
I just noticed this today. Usually my socks put huge dents in my legs that take a while to disappear. Now there's almost nothing. The fingertip press test disappears in three seconds or so.

That's a measurable test of the health benefit.

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Edema :Also called: Dropsy

Edema means swelling caused by fluid in your body's tissues. It usually occurs in the feet, ankles and legs, but it can involve your entire body.

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I just noticed this today. Usually my socks put huge dents in my legs that take a while to disappear. Now there's almost nothing. The fingertip press test disappears in three seconds or so.

That's a measurable test of the health benefit.

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Edema :Also called: Dropsy

Edema means swelling caused by fluid in your body's tissues. It usually occurs in the feet, ankles and legs, but it can involve your entire body.

Causes of edema include
Eating too much salt
Sunburn
Heart failure
Kidney disease
Liver problems from cirrhosis

Fantastic feeling, isn't it, Louis? In the summer, my ankles felt like they were about to split. Now they feel almost skinny - I can see my ankle bones!

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I know when starting ketosis you shouldn't eat fruits, but I heard vegetables slow ketosis too? I'm eating spinach, that's about it.

Anyone in ketosis eating substantial veggies?
and when can i eat fruit again?
With me it really depends.. on the veggie, on the fruit, on your plan..

no one ever got fat on eating veggies.. buttttt for me.. on a day that I eat a huge salad with lunch and a huge salad with dinner (lettuce, greens, tomato, cucumber, cheese, chicken, dressing, maybe even nuts) a day like this might lighten my ketosis alot..

If I want to stay in deep ketosis I cant have veggies and fruits as the star in my meal.. what I mean is they are sides to my nice size serving of fat and protein..
like I'll grab a handfull of spinich and put some dressing on it.. .one large spoon full of broccoli or cauliflower...

Veggies are always a side for me.. and I always eat fat with them.. or they make me hungry.. but everyones different..

on a day that I over indulge on fruits veggies or both, i'm deff bloated the next day..

A huge apple on its own would knock me out of ketosis, but a small apple or half an apple with peanut butter would have no effect on me..
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no one ever got fat on eating veggies..
ME... I did! Full vegetarian (not vegan), whole foods, home grown foods, veggies, grains, dairy and nuts. Fat as a cow (who also get fat on veggies, BTW).

Just sayin...
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ME... I did! Full vegetarian (not vegan), whole foods, home grown foods, veggies, grains, dairy and nuts. Fat as a cow (who also get fat on veggies, BTW).

Just sayin...
I understand what you are saying..

but I do mean along the lines of vegan, not vegetarian.. my sister gained alot of weight on vegetarian..

I always wondered what would happen if someone only ate corn for like a week lol
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I always wondered what would happen if someone only ate corn for like a week lol
Ask a cow, that's how farmers fatten them up for sale. It's where we get the phrase "Corn Fed" to describe fat people.

But I also know some fat (very strict) vegans. You can get fat on any diet, if you eat enough carbs to stimulate a flood of insulin while still having any reasonable amount of dietary fat. Avocado salad with rice would do.
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My friend is a hard core vegan and she is a rail; washboard stomach! She never even exercises. I guess it's because she has a different blood type, and metabolism.

Also, yea I just eat veggies on the side, no fruit for now, but I will definitely start eating it after "induction".

Also I know eating a lot of fat is necessary to get thin, but the thought is just really hilarious and unbelievable to me! I'm used to low-fat ahhaaa. What are your favorite fatty foods?

Thanks guys, your really helpful! Going to the bookstore today to get Atkins
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also im in ketosis right now with NO apetite
im like forcing down chicken
how do you deal with the appetite loss?
like i guess its good and bad
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how do you deal with the appetite loss?
I have a plan with a menu and I follow it. Sometimes I feel hungrier, but I don't eat off plan, sometimes I feel less hungry, but I don't eat off plan.

At least that's the way it's supposed to work, sometimes I do go off a little here and there.

If you don't have a goal and a plan, you don't know where you're going nor how to get there.
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i have a goal
no plan
haha getting one today!
whats your plan? just atkins?
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I did Atkins for a couple of years, then I switched to the Paleolithic Diet, which I then adapted into what I call the Carnivorous Diet. It's a whole thing about my ancestry being from the very furthest Northern European Tribes. It's not working too well for me right now, but it's fun to mess around with as a hobby.

Atkins is a good, safe, effective place to start.
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You need to get on a plan! Read the book, and follow the plan. Otherwise, you are missing out on important nutrients, fiber, etc. Also, take a good multivitamin.

You can't do this by just making it up as you go.
i don't follow any plan, i pretty much "made it up as i go" and ive lost over 100lbs

i've read protein power plan & atkins, but don't *follow* them.
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yea, that's what ive been doing
just bought the atkins book today so ill try that out
if i hate it, ill just improv it like i used to
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For me, ATKINS is the ONLY weight plan I can stay on for more than 24 hours, if my head is on straight. It has plenty of flexibility within each phase. If u ARE doing ATKINS, it is imperative that u get THE BOOK, either the '72 or the 2002. if u are following another plan, then, get that book. I don't know of any plan that forbids leafy vegetables. BUT, u need to know quantities, & that is where having the book is important. Love & Profits: FLATFERENGHI
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eat low glycemic index veggies.. add a few carbs if appetite loss becomes too much.. I stay in ketosis almost all the time.. just if you get too sluggish add a salad, and some green beans.. greens are usually good.. if the veggie or fruit is hard to absorb it will not spike your BS..

also edema can be caused by diabetes ... my feet looked splotchy like salami.. but they are white again.. and I have veins in them.. and they no longer feel like they are gonna split the skin

my menu is

B- eggs
L meat
S- meat and a small amt of veggies..

I like to keep it simple.. and just drink water, and maybe one coffee a day

any low carb plan will work if you lower carbs till you see weight loss
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Most healthy happy long-term low carbers I know eat a lot of green leafy vegetables and berries.

There are micronutrients in fresh vegetables you won't find elsewhere. Fresh uncooked vegetable carbs process very slowly and do not raise blood sugar anywhere near as high as the same amount of fast carbs would.

Atkins tells people to eat a daily salad. Make sure that salad is made with deep green leaves, not something like ice berg that is nutritionally equal to styrofoam.

Spinach, kale, greens, mesclun, cabbage, zucchini, broccoli, artichokes, asparagus, greenbeans etc are all very low in carbs.

Strawberries, raspberries, blueberries, blackberries are all fine on a low carb diet if you keep the portions under control.

I see people drinking lab created LC shakes and bars filled with maltitol who avoid the veggies under the misperception that these foods whose nutritional content is highly suspect are better for them than the fresh stuff.

This is a mistake.

The health benefits of the colorful veggies are well worth the few extra grams of very slow carbs they contain. Your long term goal is to change the way you ate away from the pattern that made you fat. Very few of us got fat eating a lot of colorful greens and berries.

Bars and shakes. . . well you'll have to answer that for yourself.
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