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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 2,899
Gallery: Blood Sugar 101
Stats: 1998-2009 170/142/145---2010 138/142/138
WOE: 80-100g per day. Metformin (no more prandin!)
Start Date: First LC diet 1998, goal 2003, continual vigilance
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Poll for People with Diabetes about Weight Loss
If you have been diagnosed with diabetes, I'd really appreciate it if you would answer the following questions:
1. Did you lose weight intentionally after your diabetes diagnosis? 2. How much did you lose? What percentage of your starting weight was this? 3. How did you lose it? 4. Did you keep the weight off 1 and 5 years after you lost it? If so, how? 5. Did the weight loss make a difference in your blood sugars in terms of changing how much carbohydrate you could eat without spikes? Last edited by Blood Sugar 101; 02-11-2009 at 01:15 PM.. |
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 2,899
Gallery: Blood Sugar 101
Stats: 1998-2009 170/142/145---2010 138/142/138
WOE: 80-100g per day. Metformin (no more prandin!)
Start Date: First LC diet 1998, goal 2003, continual vigilance
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1. Did you lose weight intentionally after your diabetes diagnosis? Yes. 2. How much did you lose? What percentage of your starting weight was this? 33 lbs. Maintained at 28 lbs lost. 17% of starting weight. 3. How did you lose it? Low carb with food logging, careful calorie counting and Diovan. 4. Did you keep the weight off 1 and 5 years after you lost it? If so, how? Yes, 6 years. Tune up diets to lose 2 or 3 pounds every year. 5. Did the weight loss make a difference in your blood sugars in terms of changing how much carbohydrate you could eat without spikes? Not a bit. Last edited by Blood Sugar 101; 02-11-2009 at 01:16 PM.. |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 1,010
Gallery: BrianSCohen
Stats: 205/206/210
WOE: Modified Berstein 30-50g/day
Start Date: August 2006
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I used a ADA style carb counting diet (100-150g carbs /day) with slight calorie restriction. Quote:
When I achieved 185, I was still unable to reach my blood sugar targets and was only able to achieve those targets when I reduced my carb levels down further. My biggest problem seems to be fasting levels, not postprandial. |
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1. Did you lose weight intentionally after your diabetes diagnosis?
YES 2. How much did you lose? What percentage of your starting weight was this? 55 LBS...FROM 313 LBS 3. How did you lose it? STOPPED SODA, SUGAR LADEN FOODS SUCH AS SWEETENED CEREALS, TREATS, TORTILLAS, RICE.. 4. Did you keep the weight off 1 and 5 years after you lost it? If so, how? I'VE GAINED 9 LBS BACK. ITS BEEN 2 YRS 5. Did the weight loss make a difference in your blood sugars in terms of changing how much carbohydrate you could eat without spikes? I MONITORED EVERYTHING I ATE CONSTANTLY UNTIL I FELT COMFORTABLE KNOWING HOW MUCH OF A CERTAIN FOOD SPIKED MY SUGAR. I STILL SUFFER FROM HIGH NUMBERS IN THE A/M 115-124 USUALLY. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,289
Gallery: shespeaks
Stats: 189/139.5/125 5'2" & 36
WOE: Atkins-based LC, "eating to my meter" for Diabetes
Start Date: June 2008
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1. Did you lose weight intentionally after your diabetes diagnosis?
I went back to Atkins intentionally on the advice of my doctor, to get my BG under control quickly. The weight loss has been secondary, but after the initial shock wore off it has been a goal. 2. How much did you lose? What percentage of your starting weight was this? About 45lbs to date, almost 24% 3. How did you lose it? Low carb (10-30g per day), strict calorie control 4. Did you keep the weight off 1 and 5 years after you lost it? If so, how? I'm a little under two years post-dx and had about a six-month knee-jerk binge in the middle there, so it's tough to say. 5. Did the weight loss make a difference in your blood sugars in terms of changing how much carbohydrate you could eat without spikes? No. My averages are lower but my spikes are as high and last just as long, even with medication (Metformin added several months in). Last edited by shespeaks; 02-11-2009 at 04:20 PM.. |
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Way too much time on my hands!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: somewhere over the rainbow
Posts: 20,425
Gallery: pooticus
Stats: 314/231.0/150
WOE: PersonalPlan
Start Date: Nov.20, 2007
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1. Did you lose weight intentionally after your diabetes diagnosis?
Yes. 2. How much did you lose? What percentage of your starting weight was this? 55 lbs. Maintained at 32 lbs lost. 10% of starting weight. 3. How did you lose it? Very low calorie diet (700-1100cals/day, low fat 25-30%), working with a nutritionist and endocrinologists, food logging, careful calorie counting, dropping Advair, replacing Diovan with Cozaar. 4. Did you keep the weight off 1 and 5 years after you lost it? If so, how? Yes, 1 year, 3 months. Have switched diets from very low calorie to very low carb 5-20g whole non-netted carbs per day. 5. Did the weight loss make a difference in your blood sugars in terms of changing how much carbohydrate you could eat without spikes? Not a bit. In fact my blood sugars are lower now that I dropped the nutritionist diet that included "healthy, whole grains, and healthy root veggies and fruits" even though I have regained more than 20lbs. :-/ I continue to struggle to lose every pound. All I would have to do is eat a whole piece of fruit or a meal over 15g of whole carbs and I will spike my blood sugar!!!!
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
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1. Did you lose weight intentionally after your diabetes diagnosis?
yes, I lost weight taking metformin and following the zone diet. 2. How much did you lose? What percentage of your starting weight was this? I started out at about 236. I got down to 165. 3. How did you lose it? I followed zone got down to 165, then did atkins and then Banta and got down to 149. Blood sugar was in the 90's at appt with endo and she freaked. 4. Did you keep the weight off 1 and 5 years after you lost it? If so, how? Blood sugar started creeping up for some reason. 5. Did the weight loss make a difference in your blood sugars in terms of changing how much carbohydrate you could eat without spikes? no |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NC
Posts: 418
Gallery: goheels
WOE: Low carb woe
Start Date: January 2008
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1. Did you lose weight intentionally after your diabetes diagnosis?
Yes 2. How much did you lose? What percentage of your starting weight was this? So far, 13 months post diagnosis, 50 lbs, approx. 20%. 3. How did you lose it? From day 1, switched to low carb, low glycemic index way of eating, and exercise, I try to exercise every day. 4. Did you keep the weight off 1 and 5 years after you lost it? If so, how? I plan on eating this way the rest of my life 5. Did the weight loss make a difference in your blood sugars in terms of changing how much carbohydrate you could eat without spikes? I try not to eat anything with enough carbs to cause a spike. Last edited by goheels; 02-11-2009 at 05:12 PM.. |
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 2,899
Gallery: Blood Sugar 101
Stats: 1998-2009 170/142/145---2010 138/142/138
WOE: 80-100g per day. Metformin (no more prandin!)
Start Date: First LC diet 1998, goal 2003, continual vigilance
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One clarification, I'm really interested in knowing whether people with diabetes have been able to maintain for a significant period, rather than if they hope to maintain.
My impression has always been that people who do the diet for blood sugar control have a much better track record for maintaining than people who diet for weight loss alone, but that is just an impression, which is why I am asking people to report their long term experience. |
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,289
Gallery: shespeaks
Stats: 189/139.5/125 5'2" & 36
WOE: Atkins-based LC, "eating to my meter" for Diabetes
Start Date: June 2008
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Meanwhile, I'm rather surprised to see how little reducing weight seems to help people with BG control...
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 2,899
Gallery: Blood Sugar 101
Stats: 1998-2009 170/142/145---2010 138/142/138
WOE: 80-100g per day. Metformin (no more prandin!)
Start Date: First LC diet 1998, goal 2003, continual vigilance
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Shespeaks,
This is one of those things that the online diabetes community knows all about that doctors don't. It is heartbreaking the way doctors tell people, "If you could only lose 10 pounds your blood sugar would be better' or that if they lost more weight they wouldn't be diabetic. It simply is NOT true. In fact, most of us lose blood sugar control BEFORE we become heavy. I documented the research that shows this on my Blood Sugar 101 site Diabetes requires an underlying genetic malfunction, otherwise people can become hugely obese and only have mildly elevated blood sugars. |
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 2,899
Gallery: Blood Sugar 101
Stats: 1998-2009 170/142/145---2010 138/142/138
WOE: 80-100g per day. Metformin (no more prandin!)
Start Date: First LC diet 1998, goal 2003, continual vigilance
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Analysis of the Diabetes Weight Loss Poll Data Posted on My Blog
The results of my poll about the impact of weight loss on diabetes are posted here: Type 2 Diabetes Diet Poll Results.
I combined the 7 responses I received here with the 44 that were posted directly to my blog. People achieved weight loss using a very wide range of diets of all kinds. Most people maintain with either some form of carb restriction (most) or intense exercise and portion control. A significant number of people regained weight after losing, but many appear to have been able to stabilize at a weight that represents a loss of 20% of their starting weight. The median time of maintenance was 2 years, which is a bit shorter than I'd like to see. Very few of these people stabilized at goal, which says to me that you will do a LOT better to shoot for the attainable 20% loss, rather than the much bigger loss that poses a maintenance challenge. Even more significant, those people who reported maintaining their weight loss for 5+ years, for whom there was data from which to compute the percentage loss they maintained mostly maintained a weight loss that was 20 plus-or-minus 3 lbs of their starting weight. |
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Right now I lost 45lbs with 25 more to goal I lost the 45lbs on a medically supervised Protein Sparing Modified Fast............the next 25lbs are coming off by low carbing. Don't know but so far I have been stalled but maintaining my weight. Weight loss made a HUGE difference with blood sugar, in fact my doctor took me off of diabetic meds. I check my sugar now once a week instead of 3 times a day and it has been consistently in the low 90's
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2) I've lost 50 pounds which is 22 percent of my starting weight if my old math is correct 3)I lost the weight on a low carb diet 4) The weight has been off for three years now. 5) I still am carb sensitive and stick to a VLC diet. I do not need meds with this diet and I have never felt better. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 559
Gallery: melehundele
Stats: 250/?/150
WOE: JUDDD
Start Date: 8/25/2009
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![]() In fact, I gained weight after diagnosis, despite following the ADA plan, counting calories, and exercising. I gained about 23 pounds. It could have been in part from some of the medications (like Actos). Quote:
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Then life intervened, and all the weight and a couple more pounds came back (hence, restart, 12/08). However, part of life's intervention was the removal of my thyroid. Now despite low-carbing, I cannot get the scale to go under 241, even with an increase in my thyroid replacement meds. This is a total bummer and I hope it is temporary. Quote:
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Ing ![]() Eat Well and Be Strong! 03/08-06/08: 248 - 224 Then life intervened Cancer gone, diabetes under control, thyroid replacement on board...back at the drawing board! Here I go again!
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 2,899
Gallery: Blood Sugar 101
Stats: 1998-2009 170/142/145---2010 138/142/138
WOE: 80-100g per day. Metformin (no more prandin!)
Start Date: First LC diet 1998, goal 2003, continual vigilance
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But as soon as you stop, they will probably be just what they were before you lost weight. That's the point that many doctors don't understand. Weight loss does not improve blood sugar control. Cutting carbs, and keeping them cut improves blood sugar control. Very different thing. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 559
Gallery: melehundele
Stats: 250/?/150
WOE: JUDDD
Start Date: 8/25/2009
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,289
Gallery: shespeaks
Stats: 189/139.5/125 5'2" & 36
WOE: Atkins-based LC, "eating to my meter" for Diabetes
Start Date: June 2008
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It sure hasn't for me. I'll get the same spike from a bag of fries that I had when I was first diagnosed. My starting number is lower so the resulting spike looks better, but that's about it.
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 559
Gallery: melehundele
Stats: 250/?/150
WOE: JUDDD
Start Date: 8/25/2009
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Eegads! ![]() I think of "control" as being relevant to fasting and controlling spikes. Why is your "starting number" (fasting number? or?) lower? |
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Washington state
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Gallery: pegbord
Stats: 175.8/128.8/111
WOE: hcg/Simeons
Start Date: sept 2009 - maint round Mar 1, 2011
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I'm curious about the impact of exercise as well as dietary fasting on blood sugars for those that have been diagnosed as diabetic or even prediabetic
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,289
Gallery: shespeaks
Stats: 189/139.5/125 5'2" & 36
WOE: Atkins-based LC, "eating to my meter" for Diabetes
Start Date: June 2008
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![]() When my pre-prandial BG was 200, popping up to 320 over a doughnut seemed pretty huge. Today, because of my daily VLC diet, my pre-prandial number might be 70. That same doughnut would raise my BG the same 120 pts, but we don't fret as much because the total is only 190, not 320. My body's response to the doughnut hasn't changed. Only its resting state has, and that only because of my diet, not because of my weight. I know because I can still work my fasting number up a good 50 pts. if I take a weekend "off" (I don't make a practice of this, but I'm definitely not perfect). |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 559
Gallery: melehundele
Stats: 250/?/150
WOE: JUDDD
Start Date: 8/25/2009
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Treasure Coast, FL
Posts: 598
Gallery: floridagirl6
Stats: 200/158/130
WOE: ME/Scarsdale/Low Carb Low Cal
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If you have been diagnosed with diabetes, I'd really appreciate it if you would answer the following questions:
1. Did you lose weight intentionally after your diabetes diagnosis? Yes 2. How much did you lose? What percentage of your starting weight was this? Lost 50 pounds - started at 200 got down to 150 3. How did you lose it? Protein Power on advice of Dr. - Keeping a food journal - exercising 4. Did you keep the weight off 1 and 5 years after you lost it? If so, how? Nope - gained it all back. Am losing again - now at about 166 5. Did the weight loss make a difference in your blood sugars in terms of changing how much carbohydrate you could eat without spikes? No If I eat carbs my blood sugar spikes |
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 2,899
Gallery: Blood Sugar 101
Stats: 1998-2009 170/142/145---2010 138/142/138
WOE: 80-100g per day. Metformin (no more prandin!)
Start Date: First LC diet 1998, goal 2003, continual vigilance
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Normal people can eat french fries without spiking for longer than maybe half an hour and the spike does not go over 160 mg/dl (8.9 mmol/L). That's what normal looks like.
I have family members who are normal and they will be at 90 mg/dl when tested 1 hour after eating dessert on Thanksgiving. My 92 year old mom's fasting blood sugar is 83 and she has eaten a high carb diet all her life. And it is VERY important to understand that for a normal person there is NO problem in eating carbs. They get fat if they over do the calories, not the carbs. And when they gain weight, it may be in the thighs and butt, not the tummy, which is a healthier pattern of fat deposition. So when I think of a "cure" or "reversal" I'm thinking of something that would let me be a normal person and eat normally. It is partly because the Low Carb community does not understand that there are normal people and that cutting carbs does NOTHING for them, that we have such a hard time convincing normal people that the LC diet has benefits for us. |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,504
Gallery: Maeve
Stats: 212/199/178
WOE: Low Carb
Start Date: Ongoing
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We went through a 7-8 month period of unemployment and I ate whatever I could, including white hotdog buns with hotdogs and fresh vegetables out of my garden. I was shocked when my sugar was so good (as was everything else) at the doctor. I was scared to death when he came in with my blood results because I knew the path I had been walking and couldn't help it (and please, no flames here because if you haven't lived it, you don't know what it's like).I am back at the gym now, for two months, and have been lowcarbing. My scale is still staying around 202 and I don't know what the deal is but I know I am keeping healthy. Oh, and by the way, my doctor actually recommended Atkins to me ![]() |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 735
Gallery: belfrybat
WOE: Lowish carb (formerly on Protein Power)
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1. Did you lose weight intentionally after your diabetes diagnosis?
Yes 2. How much did you lose? What percentage of your starting weight was this? 55 lbs. 25% 3. How did you lose it? Protein Power/ Bernstein "diets" 4. Did you keep the weight off 1 and 5 years after you lost it? If so, how? only at 1 month mark -- keeping it off by carb restriction 5. Did the weight loss make a difference in your blood sugars in terms of changing how much carbohydrate you could eat without spikes? A little, but not as much as I'd hoped--still have to stay under 50 ECC |
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I began to eat the way they told me to in the nutrition session and in the book they gave me and I lost a lot of weight. And my doctor told me that I would not have to take diabetes medication because just from following the diet, my blood sugar was under control. So of course I kept eating the same (new) way. I never had any spikes in blood sugar levels (I used to test myself daily with the needle in my arm) and my A1C levels were always very good when I went to the dr. every 6 months or so. This year, after I lost the final 10 lbs, the dr. told me that I could call myself 'hypoglycemic' now instead of diabetic, which means mostly that I don't have to always stick myself in the arm every day anymore. But I still eat exactly the same way, following the diabetic diet and also I still exercise. If I start to eat cake again, I know my blood sugar would get out of control and my health would get bad very soon. I'm 52 and at this age, your health can really get bad soon if you don't pay a lot of attention. I have a lot of diabetes in my family on both sides; my grandmother had it, my mother has it , several aunts have it. A lot of my family is very overweight. My mother weighs 300+ pounds and my brother weighs maybe 400 (but he's very tall, 6 ft. 7). I went to see my family this past Christmas and I was the only one there who was normal weight--and the only one who didn't keep drinking soda and snacking through the whole weekend and eating seconds and thirds of all kinds of things that you're not supposed to eat. I love my family and they are great people and fun to be around, but I don't want to have their health problems. I want my example to be my grandmother, who had diabetes and followed the diet and whose weight was in control and who died when she was 87 from something else than diabetes complications. I thank God for my good health in spite of this disease and I also thank God for my Overeaters Anonymous program--they are all over the country and anybody can join and they do not charge you any money to belong, it's a self-help group like AA. |
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The diet I follow(since 8 years ago) is in the Official Pocket Guide to Diabetic Exchanges, put out by the American Diabetes Association.
I eat 45 g carbs at each meal for breakfast lunch and dinner. I get three snacks of 15g carbs each, one after breakfast, one after lunch and one after dinner (2 hours after). I have to eat 2 1/2 cups fruit or vegetable a day (included in carbs) and keep fats to under 40g a day. I think this is the standard diabetic diet--would you all count this as being low carb? I measure all my servings when I'm at home, which is mostly where I eat. I'm supposed to get 150 minutes exercise a week--to be truthful, I usually get around 120. I don't know if this is a chicken or egg thing. When I started eating like this, my numbers got good AND my weight kept dropping. So I don't know that I would say that my diabetes was under control (and now called hypoglycemia, since last December, yay!) because I lost weight or because I was eating the amount of carbs they said. I don't know if this would count as a low carb diet or not. My impression was that it's the standard diabetes diet. My doctor never said anything about losing weight at all--he just said eat like this, and exercise and see if it helps. And it did. the exchanges include doughnuts and fries but I found out pretty soon that when I chose to eat doughnuts and fries (there's a page called 'other carbohydrates with these kinds of things on it), I could eat only such a little serving that I was still hungry and had no more carbs left for a real meal. So I gave them up. It's not just 'bad' things that did this--i also gave up fruit juice for the same reason and went to drinking water. since I only get a certain amount of carbs, I have to eat things that satisfy, like whole grain bread and brown rice. I can't imagine that you could follow the diet in that book and not have some weight drop off--probably some of us lose more than others according to bone structure (I'm pretty small boned--though you couldn't tell that I am when I was overweight--they always say to measure your wrists, but my wrists were bigger than they are now). Anyway, it all seems like a moot point; I haven't been worrying about the exact reason my health has gotten better, I'm just glad that it HAS. I do know that the dr. warned me strongly against doing a NO carb diet--he said that if I tried that, I'd die. |
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Major LCF Poster!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 1,010
Gallery: BrianSCohen
Stats: 205/206/210
WOE: Modified Berstein 30-50g/day
Start Date: August 2006
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