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Old 12-22-2008, 02:32 PM   #1
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Someone was telling me that Vodka was carbless and even though could slow down your weightloss would not break your ketosis. Is this true?
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the ketosis strips will register as beige while you're drinking, but you'll be back in ketosis again the next day. and you won't be burning any fat while your body is digesting the alcohol. another thing: vodka is pretty high in calories, but yeah, it has no carbs.

a warning, from experience: don't drink too much if you're in ketosis. it gave me the nastiest hangover of my life once. since your cells aren't holding much water right now, you will feel SO dehydrated the next day. i seriously thought i was going to die - i was completely parched but couldn't hold down any liquids at all, that next day. uh, but YMMV.

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Old 12-22-2008, 02:45 PM   #3
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well, kinda...
you will burn the alcohol "fuel" first... before you burn your stored energy as "fuel".

You will find too that your keto-stick will be dark purple, but that doesn't mean that you are in ketosis...
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LOL! Well the previous 2 posts are contradictory in terms of what the ketone strips will show - which is why I don't trust the dang things anyway.

BUT I do agree - there are no carbs in vodka (or most hard liquors, as long as they aren't flavored with juices or sugared up like liqueurs are) - and I will add, in addition to the hangover/burning alcohol for fuel sentiments - being in ketosis makes you a cheap drunk! VERY little alcohol goes a LONG way for me when I'm in ketosis. So beware of that.

Also beware that it may well limit your ability to make wise food choices! You get the "don't shiv a git" attitude - or at least *I* do - when I've had a couple cocktails. Be careful!
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:17 AM   #6
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Here's the best explanation I've ever read about why alcohol affects weight loss:

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Why alcohol calories are more important than you think...
Successful weight loss is all about oxidizing (or burning), more calories than you eat. When they go on a diet, many people choose low-calorie alcoholic drinks, mainly because they contain fewer alcohol calories than their regular counterparts.

However, drinking too much has a far more damaging effect than you can predict simply by looking at the number of alcohol calories in a drink. Not only does it reduce the number of fat calories you burn, alcohol can increase your appetite and lower your testosterone levels for up to 24 hours after you finish drinking.

Alcohol calories
According to conventional wisdom, the infamous "beer belly" is caused by excess alcohol calories being stored as fat. Yet, less than five percent of the alcohol calories you drink are turned into fat. Rather, the main effect of alcohol is to reduce the amount of fat your body burns for energy.

Some evidence for this comes from research carried in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition [4]. Eight men were given two drinks of vodka and sugar-free lemonade separated by 30 minutes. Each drink contained just under 90 calories. Fat metabolism was measured before and after consumption of the drink. For several hours after drinking the vodka, whole body lipid oxidation (a measure of how much fat your body is burning) dropped by a massive 73%.


Rather than getting stored as fat, the main fate of alcohol is conversion into a substance called acetate. In fact, blood levels of acetate after drinking the vodka were 2.5 times higher than normal. And it appears this sharp rise in acetate puts the brakes on fat loss.

A car engine typically uses only one source of fuel. Your body, on the other hand, draws from a number of different energy sources, such as carbohydrate, fat, and protein. To a certain extent, the source of fuel your body uses is dictated by its availability.

In other words, your body tends to use whatever you feed it. Consequently, when acetate levels rise, your body simply burns more acetate, and less fat. In essence, acetate pushes fat to the back of the queue.

So, to summarize and review, here's what happens to fat metabolism after the odd drink or two.

. A small portion of the alcohol is converted into fat.

. Your liver then converts most of the alcohol into acetate.

. The acetate is then released into your bloodstream, and replaces fat as a source of fuel.

The way your body responds to alcohol is very similar to the way it deals with excess carbohydrate. Although carbohydrate can be converted directly into fat, one of the main effects of overfeeding with carbohydrate is that it simply replaces fat as a source of energy. That's why any type of diet, whether it's high-fat, high-protein, or high-carbohydrate, can lead to a gain in weight.

Appetite
The combination of alcohol and a high-calorie meal is especially fattening, mainly because alcohol acts as a potent appetizer. A Canadian study shows that an aperitif (an alcoholic drink taken before a meal to increase the appetite) increased calorie intake to a greater extent than a carbohydrate-based drink [5].

Researchers from Denmark's Royal Veterinary and Agricultural University report similar results [8]. When a group of men was given a meal and allowed to eat as much as they wanted, they ate more when the meal was served with beer or wine rather than a soft drink.

Not only does too much alcohol put the brakes on fat loss, it's also one of the most effective ways to slash your testosterone levels. Just a single bout of heavy drinking raises levels of the muscle-wasting hormone cortisol and increases the breakdown of testosterone for up to 24 hours [6]. The damaging effects of alcohol on testosterone are made even worse when you exercise before drinking [1].

The effect of alcohol on testosterone could be one reason that people who drink a lot carry less muscle. In fact, a 1993 study shows that alcoholic men have bigger waists and smaller muscles than teetotalers [2].

This doesn't mean you need to avoid alcohol completely.

A recent study, published in the November 2004 issue of the International Journal of Obesity, compared the effect of two different diets over a three-month period [7]. Both diets contained 1500 calories daily, one with 150 calories from white wine and one with 150 calories from grape juice.

Weight loss in the grape juice group and white wine group was 8.3 pounds and 10.4 pounds, respectively.

So, what's the bottom line?
Although an alcohol-rich meal does increase your metabolic rate, it also suppresses the number of fat calories your body burns for energy — far more so than meals rich in protein, carbohydrate, or fat [3]. While the odd drink now and again isn't going to hurt, the bottom line is that alcohol and a leaner, stronger body just doesn't mix.
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You know...I was just wondering the same thing. I'm not much of a drinker, but I think I'd like a cocktail this Christmas. One or two will be plenty. So I'm thinking vodka with club soda and lime. Is that reasonable?
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One or two will be plenty. So I'm thinking vodka with club soda and lime. Is that reasonable?
Absolutely. If you are mixing yourself Vodka with Diet Sprite is good and sweet too.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:58 PM   #9
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also good with crystal lite...any flavor......

my fav for the holidays is cranberry.....

quite nice !

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I rarely drink but when I do, my favorite is vodka and crystal light lemonade.
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:18 PM   #11
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I have a couple of vodka rocks every evening. Is my weight loss slower than it could be? Probably. Do I care? No. I'm not looking for a quick fix. I'm following a WOE that I can do for the rest of my life. Alcohol relaxes me, and 2 drinks a day for men is a good thing.
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:37 PM   #12
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I just read this as "I have a couple of vodka rocks every morning"

LMAO.
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I just read this as "I have a couple of vodka rocks every morning"

LMAO.
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:34 PM   #14
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I just read this as "I have a couple of vodka rocks every morning"

LMAO.
So did I!!! LOL!
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I just read this as "I have a couple of vodka rocks every morning"

LMAO.
Well that would make for and interesting day.
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Also beware that it may well limit your ability to make wise food choices! You get the "don't shiv a git" attitude - or at least *I* do - when I've had a couple cocktails. Be careful!

bigcas.............listen to what Charski is saying, or this could be you!!!



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This thread is very entertaining.

I love low carb white russians. A shot of chocolate vodka (it's not sweetened), a tsp. of instant coffee, sweetener of your choice and half and half. Shake with ice or make frozen.
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what kind of vodka is best

What kind of Vodka is best? I have JUST TODAY decided to eat lower carb and have been enjoyed a beer from time to time, so im hoping vodka will be a nice switch. Which vodka and what are some good drinks with it?

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Vodka? Well, yes... since you asked.
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Any kind that is cold!
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Someone was telling me that Vodka was carbless and even though could slow down your weightloss would not break your ketosis. Is this true?
I drink Vodka on Saturday nights with Diet Soda or Crystal Light and while it does slow down your weight loss I was successful the first time around. As long as you don't drink too often it should be ok.
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Munka, thank you. ANy advise on how to start eating low carb? My wife did atkins years ago and lost alot of weight in a short period of time, her mod swings sucked tho. I want to eat low carb where i can lose it gradually and keep it off. Is there a good book to look at that would tell me what foods to chomp on and what to avoid?
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I want a vodka drink, i was afraid i would have to give up alcohol al together

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NO - there are calories in alcohol. There is no protein and no fat, so where are those calories coming from?

1 gm of ETOH is 7 calories, but 1 gm of ETOH=1.21 ml so 1 ml ETOH=5.78 calories

of courses strengths, etc. varry, but there most definietly are calories and carbs in all alcohol.
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The last time I went out, I ordered vodka and club soda and brought my own crystal light to go packets. You're right, doesn't take much- tolerance way low now.
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How much vodka to crystal light ratio
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I imbibe on the weekends, and vodka is usually my drink of choice. It's never knocked me out of ketosis. I will concur with others: LC makes one a cheap date in terms of drinks (i.e., it doesn't take much to feel that hazy glow).
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NO - there are calories in alcohol. There is no protein and no fat, so where are those calories coming from?

1 gm of ETOH is 7 calories, but 1 gm of ETOH=1.21 ml so 1 ml ETOH=5.78 calories

of courses strengths, etc. varry, but there most definietly are calories and carbs in all alcohol.
The "Ask a Dietitian" website indicates that alcohol calories are different from protein, fat, and carb calories: Scroll down to the question about Brandy.
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I imbibe on the weekends, and vodka is usually my drink of choice. It's never knocked me out of ketosis. I will concur with others: LC makes one a cheap date in terms of drinks (i.e., it doesn't take much to feel that hazy glow).
A cheap date? Well, I will add that to my online dating profile. "I am on a Low carb lifestyle, I get drunk quick and do not cost much"

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A cheap date? Well, I will add that to my online dating profile. "I am on a Low carb lifestyle, I get drunk quick and do not cost much"

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