YOU doctors slam coconut oil in news

[fawn]

Originally Posted by metqa

I read somewhere regarding which foods to use for oils, that if you step on it and it makes and oil spot, then use its oil, if it doesn't make an oil spot then don't. By that rationale, stepping on corn would give you watery spot, so why are we using corn oil? seeds like sunflower, nuts like almonds and macadamia, and fatty fruit like olives, avocado and coconut all have easily extracted oils and those are what we should be eating and using. Though it's hard to get oil out of most other seeds so I guess that they should be low on the list.

Aren't beans promoted as a fat free food? Ever squeeze a bean?

fascinating contribution.

[Su11]

I am amazed that the level of dedicated research shown on this site can be dismissed as hype. Most of the posters who contribute direct nutritional information do cite their sources and those sources appear sound.

I have to say I am more than a bit suspicious that coconut oil is suddenly under attack... maybe the processed oil folks have something to fear?

It is like a lot in medicine and food. If there isn't a lot of money to be made from a process and a patent, then it is hard to fund research. Even 'pure' scientific research is often the result of a grant from someone hoping to make a profit. There's nothing wrong with profits, but it does tend to hide the facts of alternative resources.

I think there's enough research to support the addition of coconut oil to my diet. It isn't a be all and end all anymore than eating low carb is. But there's a lot of information out there that is exciting and hopeful.

I do use more CO at times when I'm fighting off infection and such, and I think it is helpful, but it is things like this that I'd like to see researched in a pure sense.

Oh, and I'm sure that any fat to excess CAN add weight. That's not a surprise. The only food my farmer great uncle found that did NOT add weight to pigs was watermelon!

[Margot 65]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

doesn't condemn the corn industry

Oh I was not condemning anyone... but I do know how they make corn oil and I do know how they make coconut oil.

I have also seen 'fresh' corn on the cob, still in the husk, in my fridge a week after it was picked I have also seen a coconut, in the shell, on my counter a LOT longer than a week after it was picked

[Locarb4me]

It's all good. I was mostly teasing you in that last post

[metqa]

Originally Posted by Margot 65

Oh I was not condemning anyone... but I do know how they make corn oil and I do know how they make coconut oil.

I have also seen 'fresh' corn on the cob, still in the husk, in my fridge a week after it was picked I have also seen a coconut, in the shell, on my counter a LOT longer than a week after it was picked

I hear you there also.

You have to point out that corn does have a lot more starch and sugar than coconut, and most decomposition organisms thrive on sugar and starch.

I remember having a conversation with someone on a similar topic. It was something about how grain is low fat and nuts are high fat. I explained that if you think about what that seed or nut is attempting to do it makes a lot more sense. A seed like corn or wheat is basically trying to grow grass. Fast growing, one season, pop out the next generation GRASS. Whereas a nut is the seed for a tree. A slow growing, hundred year living, takes forever to reach sexual maturity TREE. The nut has an interest in surviving long enough in the ground to get the conditions to grow a long lived tree. The Grass seed has to be ready to jump up instantly, it has quick energy, easily consumed, ready to break down the instant the sun shines.

By comparison, anything that wants to eat will have an easier time eating that corn seed than that almond nut. (or coconut) but given the right conditions it will happen sooner or later. I wouldn't be so worried about fresh sugary foods going bad quickly, they are supposed to , that is the nature of their design. Now if that corn were still the same 3 weeks later, under the bed in a wet plastic bag, . . .then I'd be worried!

You wouldn't expect a mouse to live as long as an elephant.

[My_Sharona]

Originally Posted by Su11

I have to say I am more than a bit suspicious that coconut oil is suddenly under attack... maybe the processed oil folks have something to fear?

That's because in North America we can not grow coconut trees. I'd say they are worried!

[Locarb4me]

Apparently you've never been to Florida, then! Lots and lots of them there.

Although I don't think there is a serious coconut industry there, that I know of anyway. Mostly in the Philippines and Caribbean.

[BikerAng]

Lots of coconuts on the Hawaiin Islands too, but it would be expensive to transport them and pay for the labor. Coconut and other tropical oils were under attack about 20 - 30 years ago too, by the refined oil producers. They were so successful with their marketing campaign that Crisco became the main cooking fat for packaged baked goods (instead of coconut and palm) and margarine took place of butter. Enter trans-fat awareness and margarine and partially hydroganted oils no longer appear to be healther than their natural counterparts, they are actually far worse.

[thestreets]

Originally Posted by Margot 65

does coconut meat go rotton?

DD6 had a corn on the cob she found at the corn maze and put it in a plastic bag to take to school for show and tell. This was about 3 weeks ago.

Last night I found this bag in her room.. it was UNIDENTIFIABLE as to what it was except for the shape. it was moldy and black and green and the most disgusting looking thing I ever saw.

THIS is what they make cooking oil out of and feed our cows and pigs to fatten them up.

wouldnt that happen to any fruit/veg kept in a plastic bag for weeks?

[Wife of a Vet]

Originally Posted by Butternut

In Diabetic classes they teach to stay away from Coconut Oil.

In mine I was also taught to have around 45 carbs per meal.

Doesn't make it right.

I'm not entirely sure where I stand on CO. I can't quite stomach it in the quantities recommended for daily health maintenance use.

[wifezilla]

Dr Oz is a tool.

Saturated fat isn't unhealthy.

Coconut oil rocks.

So there.

[DiamondDeb]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Dr Oz is a tool.

Saturated fat isn't unhealthy.

Coconut oil rocks.

So there.

Case closed.

[My_Sharona]

Apparently you've never been to Florida, then! Lots and lots of them there.

I forgot about you lucky folks in Florida and Hawaii!

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Dr Oz is a tool.

Saturated fat isn't unhealthy.

Coconut oil rocks.

So there.

[Margot 65]

Originally Posted by thestreets

wouldnt that happen to any fruit/veg kept in a plastic bag for weeks?

My point exactly... so tell me how can a bottle of corn oil in a plastic jug, sitting on a shelf for months and months and months, even after being opened, be any good for you?

Remember the days of using Crisco and then pouring it back in the jug to be used again?

Yet it is better for us than cold, expeller pressed coconut oil that has not been chemically altered in any way?

[BikerAng]

The corn oil has been so unbelievably refined at high temps, filtered, bleached, then has additives added back in to keep it from "spoiling" - even though it's already rancid and oxidized. It's a dead substance. Ever notice how refined oils gunk up like a sticky substance on the lip of the bottle (where the cap screws on), kind of like paint. Soy and corn oil are great additives for paints because of that quality, not so great for your arteries though. When I used to cook with refined canola oil (because I thought it was healthy, before I started doing research on fats and oils) there was a stickly film on the edge of my pans that I could not quite scrub all the way off. When I switched over to eating all natural oils and fats (butter, EVOO, and EVCO) exclusively I did a thorough scrub of all my pans. The sticky film on the edges never came back. Kind of interesting.

[metqa]

Originally Posted by Margot 65

My point exactly... so tell me how can a bottle of corn oil in a plastic jug, sitting on a shelf for months and months and months, even after being opened, be any good for you?

Remember the days of using Crisco and then pouring it back in the jug to be used again?

Yet it is better for us than cold, expeller pressed coconut oil that has not been chemically altered in any way?

{ Metqa finally sees the light!}

I get where you're driving! Yeah, coconut oil stays usable for up to two years, all by its good old self. That's much better than the other oils.

[Margot 65]

Originally Posted by metqa

{ Metqa finally sees the light!}

I get where you're driving! Yeah, coconut oil stays usable for up to two years, all by its good old self. That's much better than the other oils.

[Houston Heather]

High fat is artery clogging.

Huh. That's why I dropped 100 points off my cholesterol eating high-fat.

I don't have any opinions either way on CO, but that one line jumped out at me.

[OceanDreaming]

Originally Posted by Houston Heather

High fat is artery clogging.

Huh. That's why I dropped 100 points off my cholesterol eating high-fat.

I don't have any opinions either way on CO, but that one line jumped out at me.

That's what I thought too. Why are we now worried about eating fat or saturated fat, specifically...Butter, meat, etc. Isn't that what Atkins is about (to a degree)?

[wifezilla]

Humans evolved to eat fat. REAL fat, not franken-fats. If fat were bad for people, we would have either died out as a species long ago or wouldn't even have the abilit to digest it and would have no desire to eat it.

[metqa]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Humans evolved to eat fat. REAL fat, not franken-fats. If fat were bad for people, we would have either died out as a species long ago or wouldn't even have the abilit to digest it and would have no desire to eat it.

TruDat!

[retroworx]

Originally Posted by BikerAng

Coconut and other tropical oils were under attack about 20 - 30 years ago too, by the refined oil producers.

And movie theater popcorn has never been the same.

[helen6684]

Margot65
I sorry but what you said is not true. We farm and raise cattle & hogs and there is no farmer that would feed bad corn to their animals.
Helen

[Mimosa23]

I´ve been eating high fat (Meat, fish, coconut oil, butter and olive oil mainly), low carb, moderate protein, and I can honestly say that I haven't felt this good in ages!

Saturated fat is not bad. I wish people would stop thinking according to the low fat doctrine. It's getting old now.

[MarcellaSF]

helen6684, I think Margot was referring to corn in general, not spoiled corn.

[Margot 65]

Originally Posted by helen6684

Margot65
I sorry but what you said is not true. We farm and raise cattle & hogs and there is no farmer that would feed bad corn to their animals.
Helen

this is not what I said at all......

I am referring to the OILS. But yes, farmers do feed corn to their cows and pigs to FATTEN them up... that is a whole 'nother thread LOL

[wifezilla]

there is no farmer that would feed bad corn to their animals.

Why feed them bad corn when you can feed them M&M's?

YouTube - The Cost of Corn-Fed Cattle

[Kathy_de_Alabama]

I have spent my lunch hour (plus a few minutes) reading this entire thread word for word. I ingest unrefined coconut oil (around 4-5 TBS a day) and use it topically all over, esp. on my face, each day. I have been doing this for about 2 months now - not long enough to tell you what it's doing for me. I got really worried, reading some of these posts, that I was doing more harm to my health than good. Some people made really good arguments against it. However, I think this post here sets me straight:

Originally Posted by OceanDreaming

Well I've been following this thread with interest. So I'll just throw in my .02!

Just gotta say that I disagree with the "You" docs, so there! Just as I disagree with giving cholesterol medication to children, the food pyramid, the low-fat dogma, and the ADA who pushes 45 grams of carbs per meal to those poor diabetics trying to control their sugar. I can't say that it's a conspiracy (though I DO tend to lean that way because IMO everything in this country is about the almighty dollar) or if some are just plain wrong. It is inarguable that there has been a trend in rising obesity over the recent years. I have been a nurse for over 10 years and I can tell you that the equipment we used to use just doesn't cut it anymore. Equipment keeps getting bigger and bigger because a lot of people just cannot fit into it. That's an anecdotal aside but I hardly think this was caused by coconut oil. I also think you'd be hard pressed to find a cardiologist that didn't order you to eat a low-fat diet (except Dr. Atkins, that is) I also find it interesting that they mention trans fats and they certainly don't argue that they are horrible. What is interesting, though, is that the researcher who discovered/exposed them and fought against "the man" for years to get the info out is the same researcher who encourages the use of coconut oil (Mary Enig). I'm just saying give credit where credit is due. Dr. Enig has spent her career studying lipids and fats (she has a doctorate in biochemistry!) These docs did not. I don't disagree that they know the heart and how it works. I would disagree that they are experts in nutrition, however. I know who I believe...

Oh! For the record, I don't give a HOOT what Oprah believes...

This was the voice of reason for me.

[fawn]

This was the voice of reason for me.

Interestingly enough, Enig was the last word for me as well. Why do so many lack trust in her? Including some on this board.


Check out the statistics on the first diagnosis of cardiac disorders. None documented until after the depression. Unfortunately, I think we might find a surge in these hard times as well.

For the person directed to steer clear of EVCO with diabetes? That's the first supplement I recommned as it helps to develop a nice rigid cell wall for the re-introduction of good blood to the system. As well, it is said to encourage the uptake of other EFA's by about 100%.

oh and for anyone wondering? Wifezilla is a shy little flower with the subject of fat. You may have to pry an opinion out of her blessed little soul.