YOU doctors slam coconut oil in news

[fawn]

Originally Posted by Silver Spice

CO is not good for people with inflammatory issues. But for those who can use it, I think they should.

Where do you get that information? I've actually heard the opposite to be true.

[DiamondDeb]

I've also heard the opposite.

[Margot 65]

Originally Posted by DiamondDeb

I've also heard the opposite.

me too, but there is the whole 'hydrogenated coconut oil' thing where the difference between that and EVCO or even VCO is ignored.

[DiamondDeb]

Originally Posted by Margot 65

me too, but there is the whole 'hydrogenated coconut oil' thing where the difference between that and EVCO or even VCO is ignored.

Oh, that's right; I'll bet that's where that is coming form.

[SugarPop]

Jeeze-----this thread has me more confused than ever. I just don't know what to think anymore.

B

[Silver Spice]

where did you get your information

From people with inflammatory issues, including myself. I started a thread this morning about it.

Foods that cause Inflammation

Inflammation and your health

[MarcellaSF]

Silver Spice, your other thread cites NutritionData.com as the source for your inflammation numbers. The only information I could find on that site for coconut oil was this one: Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Vegetable oil, coconut

It doesn't specify whether the coconut oil is hydrogenated or not.

In your second link above, which goes to InflammationFactor.com, I could not find any information on coconut oil.

[VanjaJames]

Whats funny is that coconut oil (virgin/raw/organic) has the same properties as mothers breast milk. Children who were developing slowly have been given the stuff and they start speaking/growing hair/walking....all sorts of good stuff.

Cardiologists are a terrible breed! My dad was a noninvasive cardiologist and most doctors will say anything they can to convince you to let them cut you open, as that is how they keep their license and make their money.

Cholesterol is also but a mythical fear based number that the pharmaceutical companies have led people to believe is "bad" so they can sell them the cholesterol lowering agents to again, make more money.

My dad had eggs for breakfast every day (with plenty of butter) and lived a fine 83 years.

Back in elementary schools in the 50s, it was actually a nutritional requirement that kids eat bread with a tablespoon of butter - so they could get the fat needed for their brains.

I hope they get their fats right one day and at least acknowledge the antibacterial properties of coconut oil.

I just tell my women friends it prevents yeast infections, that usually converts them. Hah.

[Terilynn]

I am officially giving up the coconut oil. I am sure it doesn't help with much and I really don't know what I was thinking. I work in biomedical research - - we give coconut oil to minipigs to make them fat, give them heart disease and diabetes..... and I believed the hype here that it was good for me. What was I thinking? I have seen the evidence for 4 years on what it did to the minipigs.....

Just a heads up for any that are interested.

[DiSa]

I came to the board this morning to ask this very question, since DH asked me this morning...he doesn't have a weight problem and has been taking CO since I started for the benefits. This morning he got my travel cup from the car and the car was cold so there were traces of CO in the cup, he said "how is it that this is not glogging up our arteries?" I said I would ask since I didn't know.

In laymens terms how can I explain/understand how CO doesn't clog up our arteries?

[dawnyama]

Well, first off the cold CO your hubby sees on his cup is liquified in our ideally 98.6 bodies. It is also a go to first fuel for our bodies. So less is stored. I don't have a really good scientific answer because I am not scientific so I will defer to someone more knowlegable about that. I just wanted to let you have my "unscientific" answer! Forgot to add that coconut oil liquifies at temps below 76 degrees--it doesn't have to be boiling as in coffee or tea for it to liquify.

[jacksmixedtape]

Originally Posted by Terilynn

I am officially giving up the coconut oil. I am sure it doesn't help with much and I really don't know what I was thinking. I work in biomedical research - - we give coconut oil to minipigs to make them fat, give them heart disease and diabetes..... and I believed the hype here that it was good for me. What was I thinking? I have seen the evidence for 4 years on what it did to the minipigs.....

Just a heads up for any that are interested.

Do you give CO to them straight or do you pair it with a sugary/carby feed source?

[DiSa]

Dawnyama, thanks for the response and it was what I told him, that it liquified but now that I know it is used for fuel first it even helps us understand better. Thanks.

Since it's Friday and just for fun, if I was a minipig I would not take CO.

[ljh150]

Originally Posted by Terilynn

I am officially giving up the coconut oil. I am sure it doesn't help with much and I really don't know what I was thinking. I work in biomedical research - - we give coconut oil to minipigs to make them fat, give them heart disease and diabetes..... and I believed the hype here that it was good for me. What was I thinking? I have seen the evidence for 4 years on what it did to the minipigs.....

Just a heads up for any that are interested.

Is the CO partially hydrogenated?

[lisabinil]

It would depend on what the inflammation is caused from. Coconut oil reduces inflammation and immune response caused by allergies because of the killoff of these allergens in the gut. CO does nothing for my inflammation-but I do believe it is a healthy oil.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Terilynn

I am officially giving up the coconut oil. I am sure it doesn't help with much and I really don't know what I was thinking. I work in biomedical research - - we give coconut oil to minipigs to make them fat, give them heart disease and diabetes..... and I believed the hype here that it was good for me. What was I thinking? I have seen the evidence for 4 years on what it did to the minipigs.....

Just a heads up for any that are interested.

First of all, it's not just "hype" here at LCF. Serious lipid research has shown that virgin coconut oil (unhydrogenated) is a healthy fat. You only need to read Mary Enig, Bruce Fife and others to see that for yourself.

Second, my guess is that other things are fed to the minipigs along with coconut oil (and is that virgin coconut oil, or has it also been hydrogenated?) such as high carb foods.

I believe animal studies are of limited value with certain dietary things like this. Don't forget they gave rabbits heart disease and atherosclerosis by feeding them a diet high in saturated fats and that's where our "heart hypothesis" comes from. Which has been disproven in the medical literature and by the Framingham heart study.

Not flamin', just sayin'. I would very much like to know more about exactly what else is done to those little pigs, if you are willing to share that with us.

[Terilynn]

My apologies - I did not mean to insinuate that it was only the coconut oil that was used to cause the disease in the pigs. There are many, many other factors. I just don't buy the hype anymore. To each their own and I don't begrudge any of you that chose to use it. I cut it out a week and my weight loss was much better (although my appetite was a little worse...it did help fill me up used in my shakes).

I just believe after talking with the cardiologist doing the research that it may not be the best choice to add into a daily diet. As with all things, moderation. I get into a mold where I have to have something every day and I am chosing to cut this out most of the time. I am not saying I will never use CO again. I am just saying I am not keeping it as a daily staple.

Good luck with it everyone.

[dawnyama]

Doug Kaufmann has a show called "Know the Cause". The whole premise is that fungus (and there are many species of fungus, not just candida) is the root cause of inflamation and many maladies of today that we didn't see in the past with our ancestors. Anyway, what has all this got to do with minipigs? He was studying research a while back and said that scientists injected mice with a solution (I have forgotten the name, but it was along the lines of one of the fungus strains) to give them diabetes so they could research diabetes. Well if the researchers knew what gave the mice diabetes wouldn't it be neat if they didn't give it to humans, or told humans what it was!, so they could avoid it????? Doug has always said that if these researchers could get together in a room with scientists, doctors and really discuss what each was doing maybe something could be achieved. Not trying to flame either, but.........I truly think that virgin coconut oil does not give humans diabetes. I have been taking CO for 7 years and yet here I am with no health problems whatsoever. I believe it must be hydrogenated coconut oil as that is what all the studies conventional science has ever studied. Also if the minipigs were given a solution of sugar water and not just water. You have to look at all the variables.

[pennylovesdarren]

It's just like Bob Greene, Oprah's personal trainer, pushing all that low cal junk that is supposed to be good for you with his "best life diet" labels. Anyone can say anything they want but as soon as Oprah says it, it's the law.

[OceanDreaming]

Well I've been following this thread with interest. So I'll just throw in my .02!

Just gotta say that I disagree with the "You" docs, so there! Just as I disagree with giving cholesterol medication to children, the food pyramid, the low-fat dogma, and the ADA who pushes 45 grams of carbs per meal to those poor diabetics trying to control their sugar. I can't say that it's a conspiracy (though I DO tend to lean that way because IMO everything in this country is about the almighty dollar) or if some are just plain wrong. It is inarguable that there has been a trend in rising obesity over the recent years. I have been a nurse for over 10 years and I can tell you that the equipment we used to use just doesn't cut it anymore. Equipment keeps getting bigger and bigger because a lot of people just cannot fit into it. That's an anecdotal aside but I hardly think this was caused by coconut oil. I also think you'd be hard pressed to find a cardiologist that didn't order you to eat a low-fat diet (except Dr. Atkins, that is) I also find it interesting that they mention trans fats and they certainly don't argue that they are horrible. What is interesting, though, is that the researcher who discovered/exposed them and fought against "the man" for years to get the info out is the same researcher who encourages the use of coconut oil (Mary Enig). I'm just saying give credit where credit is due. Dr. Enig has spent her career studying lipids and fats (she has a doctorate in biochemistry!) These docs did not. I don't disagree that they know the heart and how it works. I would disagree that they are experts in nutrition, however. I know who I believe...

Oh! For the record, I don't give a HOOT what Oprah believes...

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by OceanDreaming

Well I've been following this thread with interest. So I'll just throw in my .02!

Just gotta say that I disagree with the "You" docs, so there! Just as I disagree with giving cholesterol medication to children, the food pyramid, the low-fat dogma, and the ADA who pushes 45 grams of carbs per meal to those poor diabetics trying to control their sugar. I can't say that it's a conspiracy (though I DO tend to lean that way because IMO everything in this country is about the almighty dollar) or if some are just plain wrong. It is inarguable that there has been a trend in rising obesity over the recent years. I have been a nurse for over 10 years and I can tell you that the equipment we used to use just doesn't cut it anymore. Equipment keeps getting bigger and bigger because a lot of people just cannot fit into it. That's an anecdotal aside but I hardly think this was caused by coconut oil. I also think you'd be hard pressed to find a cardiologist that didn't order you to eat a low-fat diet (except Dr. Atkins, that is) I also find it interesting that they mention trans fats and they certainly don't argue that they are horrible. What is interesting, though, is that the researcher who discovered/exposed them and fought against "the man" for years to get the info out is the same researcher who encourages the use of coconut oil (Mary Enig). I'm just saying give credit where credit is due. Dr. Enig has spent her career studying lipids and fats (she has a doctorate in biochemistry!) These docs did not. I don't disagree that they know the heart and how it works. I would disagree that they are experts in nutrition, however. I know who I believe...

Oh! For the record, I don't give a HOOT what Oprah believes...

Yes, Oprah is a dear lady but she's not the source of all wisdom for me either.

[Margot 65]

Originally Posted by OceanDreaming

[COLOR="Red"]What is interesting, though, is that the researcher who discovered/exposed them and fought against "the man" for years to get the info out is the same researcher who encourages the use of coconut oil (Mary Enig). I'm just saying give credit where credit is due. Dr. Enig has spent her career studying lipids and fats (she has a doctorate in biochemistry!) These docs did not. [COLOR="SeaGreen"] I don't disagree that they know the heart and how it works. I would disagree that they are experts in nutrition, however.[/COLOR] [/COLOR]

I couldn't have said that better.

[fawn]

I have to agree with one of the other posters because as well as CO being called inflammatory on the one site which pulls from non-reputable sources in my humble opinion, they referred to canola as anti-inflammatory. Based on what I've read, I too trust Dr. Mary Enig who has been in the lab studying these fats.

[metqa]

YOU Doctors?

Hmmph!

They are not MY doctors.

[BikerAng]

People living in the tropics have been eating coconuts and its oil for thousands of years. It is the main oil used by indigenous people living in the Philippines and is easily extracted by hand without the use of petroleum products or pressing/extracting machines. Refined vegetable oils have been newly introduced to the human diet (less than 100 years) mainly the American diet, and are extracted with the use of machines under high pressure and heat with the addition of hexane (to extract more oil from the seeds) and bleach. I believe that coconut oil is/was wrongly vilified (in America) due to the almighty dollar. Coconuts are not easy to harvest and they aren’t cheap to grow (like soy). And as others have said, studies have used hydrogenated coconut oil for their research which cannot accurately portray the health benefits of virgin coconut oil.

[metqa]

Originally Posted by BikerAng

People living in the tropics have been eating coconuts and its oil for thousands of years. It is the main oil used by indigenous people living in the Philippines and is easily extracted by hand without the use of petroleum products or pressing/extracting machines. Refined vegetable oils have been newly introduced to the human diet (less than 100 years) mainly the American diet, and are extracted with the use of machines under high pressure and heat with the addition of hexane (to extract more oil from the seeds) and bleach. I believe that coconut oil is/was wrongly vilified (in America) due to the almighty dollar. Coconuts are not easy to harvest and they aren’t cheap to grow (like soy). And as others have said, studies have used hydrogenated coconut oil for their research which cannot accurately portray the health benefits of virgin coconut oil.

I read somewhere regarding which foods to use for oils, that if you step on it and it makes and oil spot, then use its oil, if it doesn't make an oil spot then don't. By that rationale, stepping on corn would give you watery spot, so why are we using corn oil? seeds like sunflower, nuts like almonds and macadamia, and fatty fruit like olives, avocado and coconut all have easily extracted oils and those are what we should be eating and using. Though it's hard to get oil out of most other seeds so I guess that they should be low on the list.

Aren't beans promoted as a fat free food? Ever squeeze a bean?

[Margot 65]

does coconut meat go rotton?

DD6 had a corn on the cob she found at the corn maze and put it in a plastic bag to take to school for show and tell. This was about 3 weeks ago.

Last night I found this bag in her room.. it was UNIDENTIFIABLE as to what it was except for the shape. it was moldy and black and green and the most disgusting looking thing I ever saw.

THIS is what they make cooking oil out of and feed our cows and pigs to fatten them up.

[teri f]

I have had excellent results using coconut oil daily for the past year and a half. I don't care for the YOU docs at all and they are completely clueless about the benefit of good fat. My poor daughter, who is an exact DNA clone of me, has gained about 30 pounds over the past 2 years trying to follow that goofy "healthy" diet Oz promotes. It's not working for her at all and I'm sure she's not the only one. She is miserable and unhealthy but is still buying that low fat diet mentality. So sad.

[teri f]

Sorry for jumping in again. Just wanted to say to OceanDreaming, AMEN SISTER!!!!!!!

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Margot 65

does coconut meat go rotton?

DD6 had a corn on the cob she found at the corn maze and put it in a plastic bag to take to school for show and tell. This was about 3 weeks ago.

Last night I found this bag in her room.. it was UNIDENTIFIABLE as to what it was except for the shape. it was moldy and black and green and the most disgusting looking thing I ever saw.

THIS is what they make cooking oil out of and feed our cows and pigs to fatten them up.

Yes, coconut meat will go rotten, if the moisture isn't dehydrated out of it.

As for the corn cob, it must have retained quite a bit of moisture to rot like that inside a plastic bag. But that's normal behavior for food in a plastic bag. The only kind of corn that is going to last any length would be completely dried corn, and most likely not stored in plastic.

I agree corn isn't a real healthy food, but what your daughter found under her bed (and it's Science Project condition) doesn't condemn the corn industry

Reminds me of something I found way in the back of the fridge last night.

Ever smell a brussels sprout that's about 5 weeks old in Tupperware?


I can't wait for the day when the media calls foul on these TV docs and their misinformation. Or when they actually get a clue and start changing their tunes about low fat high carb. It's GOT to happen.