Where does excess fat go?

ab1ht · 08-04-2008, 12:51 PM

This is kind of a spin-off (continuation) to this thread:

How do we lose fat from out bodies? Where does it go?

I'm re-reading DANDR because I am trying to understand where unused dietary fat goes.

The OP in the above thread says that we don't excrete the fat. But in DANDR, Dr. A sites that in a study, "the excretion of unused calories via urine and feces rose from a normal 10 percent to thirty-six percent." (page 60 in the 2002 hardback).

"unused calories" means what? Fat?

I'm just a dumb engineer, so please use small words and plenty of cartoons.

LC Angie · 08-04-2008, 01:45 PM

I thought we burned fat as energy on this WOL?? I guess I just thought that was were it went, burned as energy instead of Glucose. I would love to hear from one of the experts (Fawn, Cleo) on this. Great thread!

JerseyGirl1969 · 08-04-2008, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LC Angie

I thought we burned fat as energy on this WOL?? I guess I just thought that was were it went, burned as energy instead of Glucose. I would love to hear from one of the experts (Fawn, Cleo) on this. Great thread!

+1

Body fat: Where does it go when you lose weight? - MayoClinic.com

ab1ht · 08-04-2008, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LC Angie

I thought we burned fat as energy on this WOL??

Yes, we do. But what happens to the fat we eat that DOESN'T get used as fuel?

That's really my question.

ab1ht · 08-04-2008, 02:32 PM

JerseyGirl1969,

I would take this web site with a grain of salt.

The first sentence of this "Answer"

Quote:

When you consume fewer calories than your body needs

gives away the calorie-counting, low-fat, "fit but fat" mainstream mentality of the Mayo Clinic. These folks completely ignore the "metabolic advantage" that Atkins underscores and has been known about for over 40 years.

lilly29 · 08-04-2008, 02:55 PM

It gets excreted in a gaseous state through your urine and through your breath.

So, drink your water and do your deep breathing exercises!!

lilly29 · 08-04-2008, 02:57 PM

Oh whoops, read closely. I have no idea! *Knocks self on the head*

kristina · 08-04-2008, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ab1ht

This is kind of a spin-off (continuation) to this thread:

How do we lose fat from out bodies? Where does it go?

I'm re-reading DANDR because I am trying to understand where unused dietary fat goes.

The OP in the above thread says that we don't excrete the fat. But in DANDR, Dr. A sites that in a study, "the excretion of unused calories via urine and feces rose from a normal 10 percent to thirty-six percent." (page 60 in the 2002 hardback).

"unused calories" means what? Fat?

I'm just a dumb engineer, so please use small words and plenty of cartoons.

uhhhmm.... out the body thru natural bodily functions?

kristina · 08-04-2008, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ab1ht

Yes, we do. But what happens to the fat we eat that DOESN'T get used as fuel?

That's really my question.

ahhh...I get it now LOL

hmm.....it is stored as fat. That's funny. Unused fat gets stored as fat.

I'm so confused

SpaceCowgirl · 08-04-2008, 03:11 PM

It's been a while since I read up on this, so I could be wrong...

But I believe that there are certain body functions that need the fat we consume to function. The body prefers consumed fat over the fat we are releasing from our butts, thighs, etc for these certain functions.

If I'm wrong, someone please feel free to speak up!

KOO · 08-04-2008, 03:18 PM

Where is 2Big? She would be able to help out here.

squeakie · 08-04-2008, 03:23 PM

I'm convinced that aliens took mine.

whatjelly · 08-04-2008, 03:29 PM

What's that oil-slick in the toilet? The one that floats on top of "#1" is that it?

I dunno the answer... Good question.

But I would GUESS that if we don't use it as fuel then we would store it until we needed more fuel?

Perhaps our bodies don't get very good gas milage, and when we burn the fuel, we burn lots...

??

KajunDC · 08-04-2008, 03:48 PM

Not everything we eat gets absorbed. Nutrition is not simply what you eat. Nutrition is what you eat, what your body can digest and your body can assimilate, or absorb.

For example, taking acid blockers like prilosec and previced. They neutralize all stomach acid. You need a strong acidic medium to digest poperly but especially to digest minerals like calcium. So when you take those you may take in tons of calcium in diet and/or supplements but your body does not digest and absorb them so they do you no real good.

SUZYQ · 08-04-2008, 04:25 PM

Does this help?? You'd think there would be a simple explination??? If it's not used a fuel and is more than the body needs for fuel, then, we gain weight????????? Right??????

Special Health Modules: How does the body use and store energy?

I know that as we lose weight(and use fat as energy) fat cellls shrink and NEVER go away!! That's why it's so darn easy to gain lost weight back!!

ab1ht · 08-04-2008, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceCowgirl

It's been a while since I read up on this, so I could be wrong...

But I believe that there are certain body functions that need the fat we consume to function. The body prefers consumed fat over the fat we are releasing from our butts, thighs, etc for these certain functions.

If I'm wrong, someone please feel free to speak up!

This is fine. The body uses free fatty acids in our blood. But again, I'm talking about the EXTRA fat. If it gets stored at fat, then we'd have to count fat, not just carbs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatjelly

But I would GUESS that if we don't use it as fuel then we would store it until we needed more fuel?

Stored as fat? Again, if eating fat made us fat, we'd be screwed!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUZYQ

Does this help?? ...

Special Health Modules: How does the body use and store energy?

Thanks for this link. I'm in a hurry now, but I'll read it tomorrow morning.

Naz · 08-04-2008, 05:46 PM

Holy smokes. I just read through this thread and I'm more confused than ever...

oobladee · 08-04-2008, 06:00 PM

My training says fat cells shrink but never go away unless surgically removed (lipo). This is why so many obese people re-gain. Those fat cells are easily "woken up" and start screaming for food.

SUZYQ · 08-04-2008, 08:49 PM

See what you think about this site too??? What I've read of it, so far, makes sense!

EAT FAT LOSE FAT

sugarless4life · 08-05-2008, 05:12 AM

Mine pretty much dies when it hits the pavement.....

Betty

ab1ht · 08-05-2008, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUZYQ

Special Health Modules: How does the body use and store energy?

This article says that if I eat more calories than I expend, I gain weight regardless of which macro nutrients I eat (AKA calorie counting).

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUZYQ

See what you think about this site too??? What I've read of it, so far, makes sense!

EAT FAT LOSE FAT

Sounds like these folks are re-inventing Atkins. Interesting read, but still not answering the question (unless I missed it).

So, I ask the question again:

If restrict carbs and I eat more fat than my body can utilize for energy, where does the extra fat go?

And please don't tell me it all gets used up for energy needs. This is BULL! If it were true, Dr. Atkins would be telling us to count fat calories. But he doesn't. He tells us to count carbs. Period.

Pardon me if I'm sounding a little agitated. But I really, really want to know the answer. This seems like a very fundamental question/concept to what we're all doing here.

I think I'm going to hop onto the Atkins board and ask. I don't really like that board as much as this one, but there are still some very knowledgeable folks there. So cover me, I'm going in...

lisabinil · 08-05-2008, 06:51 AM

We don't excrete excess fat in urine or feces unless we have a disease. The dietary fat is digested and the fatty acids are sent to the liver to be turned into ketoacids to be used by the body for fuel. What is excreted in the urine is ketones that are not used for energy or fuel by the body.

Low Carb Luxury: Looking for Purple - Ketostix

ab1ht · 08-05-2008, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lisabinil

We don't excrete excess fat in urine or feces unless we have a disease. The dietary fat is digested and the fatty acids are sent to the liver to be turned into ketoacids to be used by the body for fuel. What is excreted in the urine is ketones that are not used for energy or fuel by the body.

Low Carb Luxury: Looking for Purple - Ketostix

THANK YOU!

You are my hero for the day

Now I can sleep at night.

lisabinil · 08-05-2008, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ab1ht

THANK YOU!

You are my hero for the day

Now I can sleep at night.

Maybe not if you are in deep ketosis!

ab1ht · 08-05-2008, 07:48 AM

OK, so now I got that question answered, here's another one...

Q: So if I eat plenty of fat and there are lots of ketones in my blood ready to be used for energy, why would my body use the STORED fat? This would imply that I SHOULD be counting fat calories, which I know is not correct.

oobladee · 08-05-2008, 08:02 AM

This is where many die-hard Atkins and I split ways. There is a tipping point where when you eat more calories than your body needs, whether fat, protein or carb your body stores it as fat. Calories still count.

Period.

lisabinil · 08-05-2008, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ab1ht

OK, so now I got that question answered, here's another one...

Q: So if I eat plenty of fat and there are lots of ketones in my blood ready to be used for energy, why would my body use the STORED fat? This would imply that I SHOULD be counting fat calories, which I know is not correct.

Dr. A states in Atkins that calories do count-especially if you are overeating. Ketosis is an appetite supressant thus helping to control calories without making a person feel starved or deprived.

DorianH · 08-05-2008, 09:05 AM

Atkins never said calories don't count. For many of us, it's difficult to overconsume because we are in ketosis (hence our appetite is naturally suppressed), and the foods we eat a filling for much longer. It's REALLY difficult to eat 3,000 cals of low carb food. It is for most people anyway.

But that doesn't mean you can't overeat in cals. If you eat a calorie dense low carb diet full of cream and cheese and you live a pretty sedentary lifestyle, you could easily take in more calories than you need. Some people DO need to count calories- I'm one of them.

kristina · 08-05-2008, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lisabinil

We don't excrete excess fat in urine or feces unless we have a disease. The dietary fat is digested and the fatty acids are sent to the liver to be turned into ketoacids to be used by the body for fuel. What is excreted in the urine is ketones that are not used for energy or fuel by the body.

Low Carb Luxury: Looking for Purple - Ketostix

Right, but what if you eat MORE FAT than you can use? Where does THAT go?

It's difficult to believe that it's alllll used if you eat too much fat

kristina · 08-05-2008, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ab1ht

OK, so now I got that question answered, here's another one...

Q: So if I eat plenty of fat and there are lots of ketones in my blood ready to be used for energy, why would my body use the STORED fat? This would imply that I SHOULD be counting fat calories, which I know is not correct.

Oh, for crying out loud, my brain hurts

Goood question though!

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ab1ht MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Westborough, MA (USA) Posts: 1,492 Gallery: ab1ht Stats: 160+/143/143 WOE: Listening to my D.N.A. Start Date: December 2007	Where does excess fat go? This is kind of a spin-off (continuation) to this thread: How do we lose fat from out bodies? Where does it go? I'm re-reading DANDR because I am trying to understand where unused dietary fat goes. The OP in the above thread says that we don't excrete the fat. But in DANDR, Dr. A sites that in a study, "the excretion of unused calories via urine and feces rose from a normal 10 percent to thirty-six percent." (page 60 in the 2002 hardback). "unused calories" means what? Fat? I'm just a dumb engineer, so please use small words and plenty of cartoons. __________________ Paul New (non-scale) goals: Maintain 85RPM on bicycle for 30 minutes. Complete first triathlon - Sometime next spring. "Draw from your past, but do not let your past draw from you." -Teal'c

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lilly29 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 714 Gallery: lilly29 Stats: 178/131/120ish WOE: Atkins Start Date: December 2007	It gets excreted in a gaseous state through your urine and through your breath. So, drink your water and do your deep breathing exercises!!

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SpaceCowgirl Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 147 Gallery: SpaceCowgirl Stats: 208/179/160 WOE: Atkins Start Date: May 2008	It's been a while since I read up on this, so I could be wrong... But I believe that there are certain body functions that need the fat we consume to function. The body prefers consumed fat over the fat we are releasing from our butts, thighs, etc for these certain functions. If I'm wrong, someone please feel free to speak up!

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ab1ht MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Westborough, MA (USA) Posts: 1,492 Gallery: ab1ht Stats: 160+/143/143 WOE: Listening to my D.N.A. Start Date: December 2007	OK, so now I got that question answered, here's another one... Q: So if I eat plenty of fat and there are lots of ketones in my blood ready to be used for energy, why would my body use the STORED fat? This would imply that I SHOULD be counting fat calories, which I know is not correct.

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DorianH MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,318 Gallery: DorianH	Atkins never said calories don't count. For many of us, it's difficult to overconsume because we are in ketosis (hence our appetite is naturally suppressed), and the foods we eat a filling for much longer. It's REALLY difficult to eat 3,000 cals of low carb food. It is for most people anyway. But that doesn't mean you can't overeat in cals. If you eat a calorie dense low carb diet full of cream and cheese and you live a pretty sedentary lifestyle, you could easily take in more calories than you need. Some people DO need to count calories- I'm one of them.